That is a foolish logic when the job of HoF voters to implicate practically anything to a ballplayer.
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That is a foolish logic when the job of HoF voters to implicate practically anything to a ballplayer.
Future Foundation
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So why the fuck is Francesa talking about "people have been linking Bagwell for years"?
weekend_warrior
Banned
I thought Bagwell admitted to using steroids.
Damn whoever voted for Sele didnt make his public, probably out of public shaming.
The vote should look like this:
Is Barry Bonds a Hall of Famer? Yes [ ] No [ ]
Is Craig Biggio a Hall of Famer? Yes [ ] No [ ]
All the way down the ballot, no vote limits, and it's one try and done for every player.
You can have special committees do a re-vote every ten years to catch the players who fall through the cracks.
Is Barry Bonds a Hall of Famer? Yes [ ] No [ ]
Is Craig Biggio a Hall of Famer? Yes [ ] No [ ]
All the way down the ballot, no vote limits, and it's one try and done for every player.
You can have special committees do a re-vote every ten years to catch the players who fall through the cracks.
I had zero faith in Tony Mazz being a decent voter. Color me surprised.
I heard CHB voted for Schilling as well. The greatest love story never told.
Dmncnby2k9
Banned
Sele paid.
matthewwhatever
Member
Because people like him say "You have to wonder whether player X took steroids", even when there was never any proof beyond people thinking that muscles=steroids (when the list of players who've been suspended for PED use shows that's not the case at all). Then the next year, they get to say that player X has been linked. So they create the suspicion out of thin air, and then they get to say suspicions exist, even when it's all in their own heads. For example, Piazza never had any evidence other than Murray Chass being an idiot, but that was enough for him to get lumped in with other players that had far more legitimate evidence.
Mr. Enigma
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Dmncnby2k9
Banned
Character clause.
There's nothing there. No real evidence, not even named in the Mitchell Report. They are not voting him in based on stupid shit they believe in their head and being cunts about it.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...nti-peds-bloc-of-the-hall-of-fame-electorate/
You mean when Maddux is the only one that gets in next year?
That cheater doesn't deserve to get in.
How many of those are even left aside Hairston, though? Unless they want to try to trade for Justin Upton, which would probably require sacrificing one of the young arms.
Edit: How did nobody make the HoF? And who the hell voted for Aaron Sele?
Greg's glasses = Pedro's hairpspray
GitarooMan
Member
I want to know who voted for Aaron Sele.
well jack morris doesn't deserve to be in the hall of fame. Tim Raines does though.
BFIB
Member
To me, I think Morris does deserve to be in. The guy was money when he needed to be, and yeah, he didn't exactly blow anyone away by his numbers, but for the generation he played in, he was one of the best.
I don't think he makes it in now though, not with Maddux, Glavine, and Thomas on next years ballot.
Does Bonds/Clemens numbers improve? Or do they stick around McGwire level's in the 30% end?
Except for when he wasn't.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
BFIB
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He's a definite borderline candidate.
I did think Schilling would get more votes. Maybe he didn't have enough ketchup on that sock to sway the voters who remember '04.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
No one feared Kenny Lofton
matthewwhatever
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Morris isn't even borderline. There are literally dozens of guys who deserve to go in before he does. Just off the top of my head, in no particular order: Luis Tiant, Jim Kaat, Dave Stieb, Lee Smith, Kevin Brown, David Wells, Tommy John, Rick Reuschel, Dan Quisenberry, John Franco...that's without even giving it serious thought. Morris was just an above-average pitcher who was lucky enough to play for some very, very good teams.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
Well now I'm curious about how many HoFers have had a negative WAR season.
Nice of Calcaterra to edit that. What an idiotic post at first.
he removed the fake author too.
not psycho
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It's going to be hard for anybody to get in any more (other than Pedro or Maddux).
You are going to have 35-40% who vote for the best players regardless of PED suspicions, which means their 10 votes will soon be taken up entirely by those playesr.
And you probably have 30% who won't vote for anyone with PED suspicions.
So the PED suspicion players can't get in due to the 30%, and nobody else can get in due to the other 35-40% whose ballots are totally taken up by the PED suspicion players.
You are going to have 35-40% who vote for the best players regardless of PED suspicions, which means their 10 votes will soon be taken up entirely by those playesr.
And you probably have 30% who won't vote for anyone with PED suspicions.
So the PED suspicion players can't get in due to the 30%, and nobody else can get in due to the other 35-40% whose ballots are totally taken up by the PED suspicion players.
And won't stop whining about it on twitter. It was dumb and added nothing to the post.
evil solrac v3.0
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what did Curt do that makes him first ballot?
we should stop time and space as well.
how do they not deserve to get in? what's the reason?
because he's a freaking moron.
Morris was just a compiler, not a dominating pitcher. Andy Pettite is money, doesn't mean he's a hall of famer....
matthewwhatever
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Probably most of them. I don't think there were many who just hung it up when they stopped performing at elite levels. Just looking around at a few random names, the only guy I can find who didn't have a negative WAR in his final season was Tony Gwynn, and he was only barely in positive territory in his last two seasons (0.3 and 0.6).
FAKE EDIT: Actually, Mickey Mantle quit when he was still a pretty good player. He made the mistake of looking at his final batting line in 1968 and thinking he was losing it, when the reality was he was still worth more than 2 WAR that year, it was just the pitchers who were dominating everyone.
Biggio misses the hall by what, like 39 votes?
What a gyp.
Bagwell is probably going to be tarnished a bit because he played in the "steroid era", even though he was never linked to PEDs in any reports, but simply because it was a "did he or didn't he" situation.
What a gyp.
Bagwell is probably going to be tarnished a bit because he played in the "steroid era", even though he was never linked to PEDs in any reports, but simply because it was a "did he or didn't he" situation.
Future Foundation
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What "steroid" injuries did Piazza have?
Ask his
BFIB
Member
This is why I believe the hall just needs to do something to get ahead of the constant run of names that are going to be on the ballot, yet are under suspicion.
Just make a separate wing for the HOF for this era. That way any suspicion, or whatever the writers want to call it, can't put the character clause on display for their purposes.
evil solrac v3.0
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yeah but his body was breaking down.