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MLB '12-'13 OffSeason OT: Magic is the New Market Inefficiency
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Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
What happened to my Amy?
He has every reason to be salty
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...nti-peds-bloc-of-the-hall-of-fame-electorate/
ZackusMaximus
Banned
I've never heard of this Pedro Gomez guy before but after reading that I have a feeling I hate him more than every PED user combined.
its not a good movie if youre a baseball fan.
pretty terrible article, not that i expected much from the old timers.
Cant leave out an entire generation of baseball especially if everyone is buying what schilling said about everyone being guilty in one way or another.
GitarooMan
Member
I don't understand. Are you saying Clemens didn't use? That's no witch hunt, there's plenty of evidence. I already said I disagree with their opinion on Bagwell, he should be in. I disagree with Bagwell's personal opinions though.
Of course it's a giant witch hunt.
yankeehater
Member
I dont see how it is a witch hunt at all if we know that people did indeed cheat. Hell a lot of guys have even come out and admitted it.
You must have missed the media during the height of Bonds or congressional hearings, etc. etc.
yankeehater
Member
But those werent witch hunts. People didnt just say Bonds got big he must be doping. There were reports, and didnt Bonds' trainer get busted? You have heard the saying "where there is smoke there is fire" before? This is an important issue to people and they have every right to say that we dont want cheaters get any additional recognition if there is real evidence that they cheated. I would vote for Bagwell since he wasnt named in any reports but no fucking way would I ever vote for Sammy, Roger, or Barry.
Only fools who want to believe they have some moral high ground over professional athletes consider this an important issue. That description of yourself is pretty much everything wrong with the BBWAA.
yankeehater
Member
Clearly we are going nowhere with this but I dont think it is claiming any moral high ground to say that people shouldnt use drugs to give themselves an advantage at sports. This isnt some issue that the BBWAA just made up, it was so big that the government of the United States of America had to get involved. You might not think it matters but the majority of baseball fans do seem to think it matters, or at least the outspoken ones do. I wish there were no cheaters, or rapists, or killers, or racists, or any of that stuff in the HoF. We cant go back and remove people for bad acts but we can prevent any new people from getting in.
Clearly we are going nowhere with this.
*character clause
There is no character clause!
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Ty Cobb was maybe the biggest a-hole the sport has ever seen, yet he received 222 out of a possible 226 Hall of Fame votes in 1936.
Remember that time he jumped in to the stands and beat up a heckler who had no hands? Good fun...
yankeehater
Member
That was also a very different time. How much was the media beating the drum for keep Ty out back then, probably not much at all. Today a monster like Cobb wouldnt stand a chance of election.
Our cunt tolerance is much lower now than then.
"Eh, he's racist? Good old boy!"
They already left.
yankeehater
Member
Where did you hear that? That is fantastic news if true. I am really surprised the PA would agree to that.
Early 2000's will be an era that I'll miss. 40 home runs a year? Decent, I guess.
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Oh, I agree, totally different time. I don't know when the BBWAA became the morality police, but it's dumb. Hall of Fame status has nothing to do with what a player did off the field, it's all about on the field accomplishments.
Bonds and Clemens were robbed.
Even when that affects how they performed on the field?
TangoAlphaLima
Member
When MLB knew about the problem, and did nothing to prevent it, I think the players are mostly absolved from that taint.
I also give less weight to the 'roid factor for Bonds and Clemens, because those guys were likely Hall of Fame talents long before they started poppin' pills. Sosa, on the other hand, may never have amounted to anything without unnatural enhancement.
Yet the single season home run record for my KC Royals is still 36, set by the legendary Steve Balboni in 1985. Ugh.
yankeehater
Member
I thought that baseball absolutely wanted tougher penalties and stricter testing but the PA fought them on it for a long time?
TangoAlphaLima
Member
I don't recall what MLB had asked for prior to the whole BALCO thing blowing up, but regardless, you can't lay all the blame on MLBPA. The deal between the two is bargained. If MLB wanted drug testing, they could have pushed harder for it. Secretly, though, they knew that chicks dig the long ball, so they let it slide, in my opinion.
I believe it was actually a man with one arm, and that Cobb beat the man with the guy's own prosthetic arm.
matthewwhatever
Member
How is it fantastic? It's non-news. There's no evidence at all that HGH has any effect on performance. None. Anyone who believes that HGH had anything to do with the explosion of offense in the '90s is delusional.
there is no proof that steroids helps make someone better either. writers still found a way to make people believe otherwise.
sf2fanatic
Member
lol He be inducted to the Horse Racing Hall of Fame before he gets a paully night.
turnbuckle
Member
So who's making The Show league...
I call the Nats!
Are we seriously going to try again this year? Think there's been a success rate of about 25% with GAF Show leagues
BFIB
Member
Are we seriously going to try again this year? Think there's been a success rate of about 25% with GAF Show leagues
I'd be interested.
wut
Future Foundation
Member
Why? They're still talking about winning World Series, just that you don't need to have insane payrolls to do it.
i understand that, but that means pocketing the insane amount of money this team makes and pissing the fans off in the process.
They just opened a new stadium, they will be receiving hundreds of millions of dollars from their YES Network deal with News Corp. and all the extra cash theyll receive from MLBs new national broadcast agreements. Not to mention the money they make globally. I can somewhat understand doing it for the 2014 season for the luxury tax. But holding back going foward? I wont fly with this fan base.
normally id agree 100%.....but half of that is in 4 guys for the foreseeable future.
most teams have shitty contracts that they want to unload. The braves paid 10 million for derek lowe and 5.5 million for jurrjens to pitch in AAA. Then there is Uggla and his sorry ass.
Before that was kenshin kawakami.
I'm not sure I agree, and this is coming from a dedicated stats-head who gets in to enormous trouble with Sports-GAF for being too rational.
First, the hall specifically has a "character clause," which states that they induct people with "integrity and character." It's literally written in to their decision making process.
And the response would be, "yes, but that sucks," and I would strongly disagree. These people are entertainers, first and foremost. That is their job. And I most definitely find myself less enthusiastic about rooting for jerks, even if they happen to be on my team of choice.
Dominican Power
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The Yankees are going to let Cano walk away?