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MLB Off-Season 2011: Only a few more weeks until the radio talks about baseball again

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Madtown_

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DarkFlow83 said:
That's not the only thing they will be eating. I would love to own a buffet in Detroit now.
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I don't understand these statements. I mean, sure Fielder is a big guy, so is Cabrera, but do you really think at this stage in their lives they are eating like the average overweight man? They're athletes, they probably have diets and training schedules just like anybody else. I'd be shocked if they just head off to the local buffet and load up and fatty foods.
 
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evil solrac v3.0

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Madtown_ said:
I don't understand these statements. I mean, sure Fielder is a big guy, so is Cabrera, but do you really think at this stage in their lives they are eating like the average overweight man? They're athletes, they probably have diets and training schedules just like anybody else. I'd be shocked if they just head off to the local buffet and load up and fatty foods.
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they don't have to head off to the local buffet. they can have the ballboy get them McDonald's or just eat the pre and post game spread.
 
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Gaborn

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Madtown_ said:
I don't understand these statements. I mean, sure Fielder is a big guy, so is Cabrera, but do you really think at this stage in their lives they are eating like the average overweight man? They're athletes, they probably have diets and training schedules just like anybody else. I'd be shocked if they just head off to the local buffet and load up and fatty foods.
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Not only that, Cabrera has a personal trainer (the full story is about Cabrera confirming the plan is to shift him to third):

The move isn’t expected to be a difficult adjustment for Cabrera, according to his personal strength and conditioning coach Radhi Muhammad.

Muhammad, founder and head performance coach at 440 Fitness in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., said Cabrera has been participating in a workout program this offseason that has prepared him for both corner infield positions.

“He’ll be ready for third,” Muhammad said in a phone conversation late Tuesday.

Cabrera, who works out five days a week, is currently listed at 264 pounds. Muhammad said the goal is to get him down to 255 pounds in the next four weeks.

“That’s where he feels comfortable at,” Muhammad said. “He’s lost more weight than that before, but he felt tired. During the course of the season, he’ll thin out a lot.”

Cabrera has played 383 of his 1,351 career games at third, including 157 games there in 2006, and 153 games in 2007, as a member of the Florida Marlins. His offseason workout program is expected to be slightly altered to prepare him for his return to third.

“It’s still going to be a plyometric routine, but it’s going to be more of an intensity workout,” Muhammad said. “There will be a lot spring work. Instead of the 10-15 repetitions, it’ll now be 20-25 reps to keep him fresh.”

Muhammad said Cabrera’s program was designed this offseason to reflect the possibility of playing third base “once in a while.”

“Now that it’s going to be a more confirmed move, it’ll be a little different,” Muhammad said. “He needs to keep the legs fresher in the season to cover ground, especially on bunts.

“Firsts base is more of a cover position, where third base deals a lot more with linear and lateral movement.”

Cabrera took infield practice at third base in late September after the Tigers clinched the AL Central last season in preparation for a potential World Series berth.
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I mean, he's never going to be Brandon Inge defensively at third base but do I think he can be adequate defensively? Sure. I'm MUCH more worried about Raburn at 2B.
 
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Branduil

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Madtown_ said:
I don't understand these statements. I mean, sure Fielder is a big guy, so is Cabrera, but do you really think at this stage in their lives they are eating like the average overweight man? They're athletes, they probably have diets and training schedules just like anybody else. I'd be shocked if they just head off to the local buffet and load up and fatty foods.
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beast786

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• SportsPickle.com: “Fielder and Miguel give the Tigers a better defensive line than the Lions have with Suh and Fairley.


I lol
 
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goldlion054

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I've come to terms with the Fielder pick up. I hate thinking long term anyway. I'm going to enjoy the next 3-4 years to the best of my ability. Because life will be all down hill from there. The Tigers will be fucked, the Lions will still not know how to tackle, and Hockey will still suck. Gonna be rough, but I'll let future me worry about it
 
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turnbuckle

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The fielder signing has me nervous as hell. I'd laugh at any team that gave him that contract...but I can't help but be fucking hyped too.
 
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DarkFlow

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Madtown_ said:
I don't understand these statements. I mean, sure Fielder is a big guy, so is Cabrera, but do you really think at this stage in their lives they are eating like the average overweight man? They're athletes, they probably have diets and training schedules just like anybody else. I'd be shocked if they just head off to the local buffet and load up and fatty foods.
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Fielders body is going to break down a lot faster then other guys is age just because of how big he is. The man is a Quarter ponder shy of 300lbs. Come 32 his poor body is probably going to fall apart from all the abuse and weight. This contract is dumb for the amount of years it is. I would have game him 4 years max and see how that pans out.
 
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Madtown_

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beast786 said:
Please.

It has nothing to do with weight. Its just Milwaukee.

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This was awesome.
I remember seeing a picture on twitter during BP, the next day, someone took the time to tape out the two main spots he fell, like a crime scene. Funny stuff.

DarkFlow83 said:
Fielders body is going to break down a lot faster then other guys is age just because of how big he is. The man is a Quarter ponder shy of 300lbs. Come 32 his poor body is probably going to fall apart from all the abuse and weight. This contract is dumb for the amount of years it is. I would have game him 4 years max and see how that pans out.
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Historically, big guys break down faster, yes. Problem is, Fielder and Boras weren't going to do 4 years. They wanted 200 million from the outset and that's what they got. Luckily he's in the AL, so if necessary he can play DH at times.

Also, I think he has an opt-out or two in the contract.

Every huge contract is usually "dumb for the amount of years it is." Pujols is a guy who they say is 32, and signed a 10 year deal? Just as absurd. At least Fielder is 27, so will be in his prime for at least a couple of years. Pujols is past his and he has 10 years to go.

edit: The reason teams/GMs get away with these contracts is that they can sell them as putting them in line for a championship. There'll be no doubt the Angels or Tigers made a good signing if either team wins a World Series with their guy.
 
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Mr. Enigma

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With Prince Fielder finally off the board, it's now time to revise the list of 9-figure guaranteed contracts in MLB history. Five new entries this offseason bring the list up to 33.

1. Alex Rodriguez, New York Yankees - 10 years, $275 million (2008-2017)
2. Alex Rodriguez, Texas Rangers - 10 years, $252 million (2001-2010)
3. Albert Pujols, Los Angeles Angels - 10 years, $240 million (2012-2021)
4. Prince Fielder, Detroit Tigers - 9 years, $214 million (2012-2020)
5. Derek Jeter, New York Yankees - 10 years, $189 million (2001-2010)
6. Joe Mauer, Minnesota Twins - 9 years, $184 million (2010-2018)
7. Mark Teixeira, New York Yankees - 8 years, $180 million (2009-2016)
8. C.C. Sabathia, New York Yankees - 7 years, $162 million (2009-2015)
9a. Manny Ramirez, Boston Red Sox - 8 years, $160 million (2000-2007)
9b. Matt Kemp, Los Angeles Dodgers - 8 years, $160 million (2012-2019)
11. Troy Tulowitski, Colorado Rockies - 10 years, $157.75 million (2011-2020)
12. Adrian Gonzalez, Boston Red Sox - 8 years, $154 million (2012-2018)
13. Miguel Cabrera, Detroit Tigers - 8 years, $152.3 million (2008-2015)
14. Carl Crawford, Boston Red Sox - 7 years, $142 million (2011-2017)
15. Todd Helton, Colorado Rockies - 10 years, $141.5 million (2003-2011)
16. Johan Santana, New York Mets - 6 years, $137.5 million (2008-2013)
17. Alfonso Soriano, Chicago Cubs - 8 years, $136 million (2007-2014)
18a. Vernon Wells, Toronto Blue Jays - 7 years, $126 million (2008-2014)
18b. Barry Zito, San Francisco Giants - 7 years, $126 million (2007-2013)
18c. Jayson Werth, Washington Nationals - 7 years, $126 million (2011-2017)
21. Ryan Howard, Philadelphia Phillies - 5 years, $125 million (2012-2016)
22. C.C. Sabathia, New York Yankees - 5 years, $122 million (2012-2016)
23. Mike Hampton, Colorado Rockies - 8 years, $121 million (2001-2008)
24a. Jason Giambi, New York Yankees - 7 years, $120 million (2002-2008)
24b. Matt Holliday, St. Louis Cardinals - 7 years, $120 million (2010-2016)
24c. Cliff Lee, Philadelphia Phillies - 5 years, $120 million (2011-2015)
27. Carlos Beltran, New York Mets - 7 years, $119 million (2005-2011)
28. Ken Griffey Jr., Cincinnati Reds - 9 years, $116.5 million (2000-2008)
29. Jose Reyes, Miami Marlins - 6 years, $106 million (2012-2017)
30a. Kevin Brown, Los Angeles Dodgers - 7 years, $105 million (1999-2005)
30b. Ryan Braun, Milwaukee Brewers - 5 years, $105 million (2016-2020)
32a. Albert Pujols, St. Louis Cardinals - 7 years, $100 million (2004-2010)
32b. Carlos Lee, Houston Astros - 6 years, $100 million (2007-2012)
 
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DarkFlow

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AnEternalEnigma said:
With Prince Fielder finally off the board, it's now time to revise the list of 9-figure guaranteed contracts in MLB history. Five new entries this offseason bring the list up to 32.

1. Alex Rodriguez, New York Yankees - 10 years, $275 million (2008-2017)
2. Alex Rodriguez, Texas Rangers - 10 years, $252 million (2001-2010)
3. Albert Pujols, Los Angeles Angels - 10 years, $240 million (2012-2021)
4. Prince Fielder, Detroit Tigers - 9 years, $214 million (2012-2020)
5. Derek Jeter, New York Yankees - 10 years, $189 million (2001-2010)
6. Joe Mauer, Minnesota Twins - 9 years, $184 million (2010-2018)
7. Mark Teixeira, New York Yankees - 8 years, $180 million (2009-2016)
8. C.C. Sabathia, New York Yankees - 7 years, $162 million (2009-2015)
9a. Manny Ramirez, Boston Red Sox - 8 years, $160 million (2000-2007)
9b. Matt Kemp, Los Angeles Dodgers - 8 years, $160 million (2012-2019)
11. Troy Tulowitski, Colorado Rockies - 10 years, $157.75 million (2011-2020)
12. Adrian Gonzalez, Boston Red Sox - 8 years, $154 million (2012-2018)
13. Miguel Cabrera, Detroit Tigers - 8 years, $152.3 million (2008-2015)
14. Carl Crawford, Boston Red Sox - 7 years, $142 million (2011-2017)
15. Todd Helton, Colorado Rockies - 10 years, $141.5 million (2003-2011)
16. Johan Santana, New York Mets - 6 years, $137.5 million (2008-2013)
17. Alfonso Soriano, Chicago Cubs - 8 years, $136 million (2007-2014)
18a. Vernon Wells, Toronto Blue Jays - 7 years, $126 million (2008-2014)
18b. Barry Zito, San Francisco Giants - 7 years, $126 million (2007-2013)
18c. Jayson Werth, Washington Nationals - 7 years, $126 million (2011-2017)
21. Ryan Howard, Philadelphia Phillies - 5 years, $125 million (2012-2016)
22. C.C. Sabathia, New York Yankees - 5 years, $122 million (2012-2016)
23. Mike Hampton, Colorado Rockies - 8 years, $121 million (2001-2008)
24a. Jason Giambi, New York Yankees - 7 years, $120 million (2002-2008)
24b. Matt Holliday, St. Louis Cardinals - 7 years, $120 million (2010-2016)
24c. Cliff Lee, Philadelphia Phillies - 5 years, $120 million (2011-2015)
27. Carlos Beltran, New York Mets - 7 years, $119 million (2005-2011)
28. Ken Griffey Jr., Cincinnati Reds - 9 years, $116.5 million (2000-2008)
29. Jose Reyes, Miami Marlins - 6 years, $106 million (2012-2017)
30. Kevin Brown, Los Angeles Dodgers - 7 years, $105 million (1999-2005)
31a. Albert Pujols, St. Louis Cardinals - 7 years, $100 million (2004-2010)
31b. Carlos Lee, Houston Astros - 6 years, $100 million (2007-2012)
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Can we get a redo on 14, it's painful to look at.
 
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Alex Anderson

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Jon said:
Say what you will about Ryan Howard, but can you imagine PRINCE at the end of that contract? Dude is going to be Mo Vaughn 2.0.
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I'm sooooo late on this news, but this was my first thought as well. "9 years, hoooly shit. How long til he turns into Mo Vaughn" then off to b-ref to see what age Vaughn collapsed
 
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ConradCervantes

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Alex Anderson said:
I'm sooooo late on this news, but this was my first thought as well. "9 years, hoooly shit. How long til he turns into Mo Vaughn" then off to b-ref to see what age Vaughn collapsed
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I had just logged onto Facebook to see someone posting about Heyman breaking the news, then literally after reading this, I get a text from my friend who follows baseball as closely as I do.

"Mo Vaughn Redux lol". I suppose great minds think alike.
 
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acheron_xl

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AnEternalEnigma said:
With Prince Fielder finally off the board, it's now time to revise the list of 9-figure guaranteed contracts in MLB history. Five new entries this offseason bring the list up to 32.

1. Alex Rodriguez, New York Yankees - 10 years, $275 million (2008-2017)
2. Alex Rodriguez, Texas Rangers - 10 years, $252 million (2001-2010)
3. Albert Pujols, Los Angeles Angels - 10 years, $240 million (2012-2021)
4. Prince Fielder, Detroit Tigers - 9 years, $214 million (2012-2020)
5. Derek Jeter, New York Yankees - 10 years, $189 million (2001-2010)
6. Joe Mauer, Minnesota Twins - 9 years, $184 million (2010-2018)
7. Mark Teixeira, New York Yankees - 8 years, $180 million (2009-2016)
8. C.C. Sabathia, New York Yankees - 7 years, $162 million (2009-2015)
9a. Manny Ramirez, Boston Red Sox - 8 years, $160 million (2000-2007)
9b. Matt Kemp, Los Angeles Dodgers - 8 years, $160 million (2012-2019)
11. Troy Tulowitski, Colorado Rockies - 10 years, $157.75 million (2011-2020)
12. Adrian Gonzalez, Boston Red Sox - 8 years, $154 million (2012-2018)
13. Miguel Cabrera, Detroit Tigers - 8 years, $152.3 million (2008-2015)
14. Carl Crawford, Boston Red Sox - 7 years, $142 million (2011-2017)
15. Todd Helton, Colorado Rockies - 10 years, $141.5 million (2003-2011)
16. Johan Santana, New York Mets - 6 years, $137.5 million (2008-2013)
17. Alfonso Soriano, Chicago Cubs - 8 years, $136 million (2007-2014)
18a. Vernon Wells, Toronto Blue Jays - 7 years, $126 million (2008-2014)
18b. Barry Zito, San Francisco Giants - 7 years, $126 million (2007-2013)
18c. Jayson Werth, Washington Nationals - 7 years, $126 million (2011-2017)
21. Ryan Howard, Philadelphia Phillies - 5 years, $125 million (2012-2016)
22. C.C. Sabathia, New York Yankees - 5 years, $122 million (2012-2016)
23. Mike Hampton, Colorado Rockies - 8 years, $121 million (2001-2008)
24a. Jason Giambi, New York Yankees - 7 years, $120 million (2002-2008)
24b. Matt Holliday, St. Louis Cardinals - 7 years, $120 million (2010-2016)
24c. Cliff Lee, Philadelphia Phillies - 5 years, $120 million (2011-2015)
27. Carlos Beltran, New York Mets - 7 years, $119 million (2005-2011)
28. Ken Griffey Jr., Cincinnati Reds - 9 years, $116.5 million (2000-2008)
29. Jose Reyes, Miami Marlins - 6 years, $106 million (2012-2017)
30. Kevin Brown, Los Angeles Dodgers - 7 years, $105 million (1999-2005)
31a. Albert Pujols, St. Louis Cardinals - 7 years, $100 million (2004-2010)
31b. Carlos Lee, Houston Astros - 6 years, $100 million (2007-2012)
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List needs more Ryan Braun, I think. He signed a 5 year 105M extension, which gives him what more or less amounts to a 13 year 150M contract.
 
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eznark

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acheron_xl said:
List needs more Ryan Braun, I think. He signed a 5 year 105M extension, which gives him what more or less amounts to a 13 year 150M contract.
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Technically he is working on the first contract through 2015. The extension is for 2016-2020, so maybe that's why it isn't counted?

Also, man I am thrilled for Prince. He was a driving force behind the past few seasons of actual relevance in Milwaukee and I'm glad he was able to find someone to compensate him. Despite thinking it's hilarious and ultimately terrible for the Tigers organization, it's awesome for Fielder. I hope he makes Detroit look like God damned geniuses.
 
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BFIB

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AnEternalEnigma said:
With Prince Fielder finally off the board, it's now time to revise the list of 9-figure guaranteed contracts in MLB history. Five new entries this offseason bring the list up to 32.

1. Alex Rodriguez, New York Yankees - 10 years, $275 million (2008-2017)
2. Alex Rodriguez, Texas Rangers - 10 years, $252 million (2001-2010)
3. Albert Pujols, Los Angeles Angels - 10 years, $240 million (2012-2021)
4. Prince Fielder, Detroit Tigers - 9 years, $214 million (2012-2020)
5. Derek Jeter, New York Yankees - 10 years, $189 million (2001-2010)
6. Joe Mauer, Minnesota Twins - 9 years, $184 million (2010-2018)
7. Mark Teixeira, New York Yankees - 8 years, $180 million (2009-2016)
8. C.C. Sabathia, New York Yankees - 7 years, $162 million (2009-2015)
9a. Manny Ramirez, Boston Red Sox - 8 years, $160 million (2000-2007)
9b. Matt Kemp, Los Angeles Dodgers - 8 years, $160 million (2012-2019)
11. Troy Tulowitski, Colorado Rockies - 10 years, $157.75 million (2011-2020)
12. Adrian Gonzalez, Boston Red Sox - 8 years, $154 million (2012-2018)
13. Miguel Cabrera, Detroit Tigers - 8 years, $152.3 million (2008-2015)
14. Carl Crawford, Boston Red Sox - 7 years, $142 million (2011-2017)
15. Todd Helton, Colorado Rockies - 10 years, $141.5 million (2003-2011)
16. Johan Santana, New York Mets - 6 years, $137.5 million (2008-2013)
17. Alfonso Soriano, Chicago Cubs - 8 years, $136 million (2007-2014)
18a. Vernon Wells, Toronto Blue Jays - 7 years, $126 million (2008-2014)
18b. Barry Zito, San Francisco Giants - 7 years, $126 million (2007-2013)
18c. Jayson Werth, Washington Nationals - 7 years, $126 million (2011-2017)
21. Ryan Howard, Philadelphia Phillies - 5 years, $125 million (2012-2016)
22. C.C. Sabathia, New York Yankees - 5 years, $122 million (2012-2016)
23. Mike Hampton, Colorado Rockies - 8 years, $121 million (2001-2008)
24a. Jason Giambi, New York Yankees - 7 years, $120 million (2002-2008)
24b. Matt Holliday, St. Louis Cardinals - 7 years, $120 million (2010-2016)
24c. Cliff Lee, Philadelphia Phillies - 5 years, $120 million (2011-2015)
27. Carlos Beltran, New York Mets - 7 years, $119 million (2005-2011)
28. Ken Griffey Jr., Cincinnati Reds - 9 years, $116.5 million (2000-2008)
29. Jose Reyes, Miami Marlins - 6 years, $106 million (2012-2017)
30. Kevin Brown, Los Angeles Dodgers - 7 years, $105 million (1999-2005)
31a. Albert Pujols, St. Louis Cardinals - 7 years, $100 million (2004-2010)
31b. Carlos Lee, Houston Astros - 6 years, $100 million (2007-2012)
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I wonder, if any owners could go back and not have done the deal, would be off the list?

My guess?
1, 6, 15, 16, 17, 18 (all of them), 23, 30, 31
 
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Square Triangle

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Whelp. I'm on a high still. Cannot wait to see Little Caesar raise their disgusting Hot N Ready pizzas to $11.

I hope to God Brandon Inge is gone now.

Get ready fellow Tiger's fans ;)
 
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Jon

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It's time for Jon's Page-a-Day Trivia Extravaganza, with a much more manageable question!

Question 12:

Who hit .322 with 42 home runs and 129 RBIs in 1970 and then .333 with 37 homers and 122 RBIs in 1972, but finished second to Johnny Bench for Most the Valuable Player award in both seasons?

A) Willie Stargell
B) Willie McCovey
C) Steve Garvey
D) Billy Williams
 
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RBH

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Jon said:
It's time for Jon's Page-a-Day Trivia Extravaganza, with a much more manageable question!

Question 12:

Who hit .322 with 42 home runs and 129 RBIs in 1970 and then .333 with 37 homers and 122 RBIs in 1972, but finished second to Johnny Bench for Most the Valuable Player award in both seasons?

A) Willie Stargell
B) Willie McCovey
C) Steve Garvey
D) Billy Williams
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A?
 
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Ninja Scooter

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Jon said:
It's time for Jon's Page-a-Day Trivia Extravaganza, with a much more manageable question!

Question 12:

Who hit .322 with 42 home runs and 129 RBIs in 1970 and then .333 with 37 homers and 122 RBIs in 1972, but finished second to Johnny Bench for Most the Valuable Player award in both seasons?

A) Willie Stargell
B) Willie McCovey
C) Steve Garvey
D) Billy Williams
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Terry Steinbach?
 
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ToxicAdam

Member
Pretty sure it's McCovey. I remember him having some monster years on the back of his baseball card. I don't think Stargell hit his prime until the mid-70's.
 
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rekameohs

Banned
Jon said:
It's time for Jon's Page-a-Day Trivia Extravaganza, with a much more manageable question!

Question 12:

Who hit .322 with 42 home runs and 129 RBIs in 1970 and then .333 with 37 homers and 122 RBIs in 1972, but finished second to Johnny Bench for Most the Valuable Player award in both seasons?

A) Willie Stargell
B) Willie McCovey
C) Steve Garvey
D) Billy Williams
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I think it's
D.
 
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beast786

Member
Lambtron said:
But then who plays 3rd? Besides Jackson & Avila that defense is going to be brutal.
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young/Bosch and Perelta are not bad at all. So the question is going to be on the corners. I will take that batting improvement going from Inge to prince fielding downgrad , anytime of the day.
 
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Vargas

Member
Jon said:
It's time for Jon's Page-a-Day Trivia Extravaganza, with a much more manageable question!

Question 12:

Who hit .322 with 42 home runs and 129 RBIs in 1970 and then .333 with 37 homers and 122 RBIs in 1972, but finished second to Johnny Bench for Most the Valuable Player award in both seasons?

A) Willie Stargell
B) Willie McCovey
C) Steve Garvey
D) Billy Williams
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D.
 
hemtae

hemtae

Member
Jon said:
It's time for Jon's Page-a-Day Trivia Extravaganza, with a much more manageable question!

Question 12:

Who hit .322 with 42 home runs and 129 RBIs in 1970 and then .333 with 37 homers and 122 RBIs in 1972, but finished second to Johnny Bench for Most the Valuable Player award in both seasons?

A) Willie Stargell
B) Willie McCovey
C) Steve Garvey
D) Billy Williams
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C. It's always C
 
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Lambtron

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beast786 said:
young/Bosch and Perelta are not bad at all.
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Hahahaha. You're telling me Delmon Young isn't a bad fielder? He's a butcher. Terrible. Absolutely brutal. He's got a good arm but horrible range and putrid instincts. Trust me, it'll be more noticable when he's in one of his horrible funks where he's seeing two pitches per at bat and batting a buck fifty with zero power for a couple of weeks.

I'm so glad the Twins traded Garza & Bartlett for him. God.
 
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