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MLB - Official 2012 Postseason Thread of More Wild Cards and Higher Champagne Budgets
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perfectchaos007
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The Autumn Wind
Isn't almost every call an ump makes a judgment call? What a load of horseshit.
most are, it's why protests are rarely won.
Ugh, I can't believe this is happening again. I really should not try to offer people consolation.
Here, think about this: even the most facile, most puerile show ever produced for TV employs many people to make it and also makes at least a few viewers out there happy. This does not suddenly make the show important and serious just because some people make a living off it and because some people would be sad if it were gone. Things are not imparted meaning just because some people care about it.
It's just a game, don't be silly. There's really no reason to beat yourself up about your (or their) team losing. If the Cardinals don't make it, that's fine; it's just a silly game.
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Fair foul or hr not hr wouldn't be. Most everything else is though.
evil solrac v3.0
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no actually it's not the same and this is isn't silly. a team going deeper into the playoffs brings increased revenue for the stadium workers, restaurants, hotels, etc, etc. so it is a business actually and not only that but viewers at home deserve a game played cleanly adn crisply, not this muddled crap that was thrown in. clean game makes it more fun and fair for everybody.
My team won.
BravesCountry
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A silly TV show continuing on the air brings in a paycheck for the keygrips, the actors, the electricians who service the studio, the restaurants nearby, etc.
By your definition literally anything that creates revenue (and thus also creates income) is serious and important.
Yes, I definitely agree that a clean game is more fun to watch. I was just trying to console people so that they didn't feel angry and sad.
I know. Your particular allegiances are not the point. Every time I try to console angry, upset people in sports threads I seem to do nothing but make them angrier, and I really still do not understand why. Self evidently I'd be better off letting people simply be angry and sad about a silly game where you hit a ball with sticks. Baseball is my favorite sport after Chess -- I follow it aggressively and just a few pages ago did a detailed statistical analysis of Cy Young comparisons -- but of course I recognize at the end of the day that baseball is my Sex in the City, my Days of our Lives, my McDonalds.
talisayNon
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Opiate in a playoff thread. what else could go right.
Vanillalite
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This pisses me off more. I'm a braves fan, and I'm not overly pissed that this call lost us the game. To many defense errors by Atlanta.
FFS though at least man up that you blew it. If you can't I don't want you umping ever again.
A team did advance in the playoffs. One was going to advance no matter what happened, and the other was going home. There is no net job change, just movement.
Go Nats!
Empyrean Heaven
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Allow me to make the joke that is going to be repeated ad nauseum for the next 2 days.
"Well, I guess all the NFL replacement refs just went to baseball"
"Well, I guess all the NFL replacement refs just went to baseball"
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Josh was unlucky. He didn't have extra umps out there to make a false call in his favor.
Little Green Yoda
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I just plugged in the situations into the WP calculator. The Ross HR changed WP by 0.2231 in favor of Atlanta. The blown call changed WP by 0.1396 in favor of St. Louis.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/other/wpa_inquirer.php
I used 4.5 for run environment but I don't know if that's right though.
Fangraphs says the HR was only a change of 0.232 so my run environment variable is probably off. Still a greater swing than the blown call though.
evil solrac v3.0
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why are you trying to compare a TV show to baseball? a TV show is made up, Baseball is real and happening in front of our eyes. why shouldn't people react to something that is real and happening as we speak?
these hamilton jokes would work better if it was at all possible for the infield fly to be called, but it wasn't because there was 2 outs... *shrugs*
storybook77
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Mastodonkey
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I doubt I'll be sleeping tonight as a braves fan.. chipper's last game, errors all over the place, 1 game playoff bs ends up biting us in the ass, huge blown call.. ugghh i seriously feel sick
as for throwing trash on the field big deal, not like it hasn't happened before and won't happen again.. some of people act like it was the greatest travesty in the history of pro sports, uhh no.
as for throwing trash on the field big deal, not like it hasn't happened before and won't happen again.. some of people act like it was the greatest travesty in the history of pro sports, uhh no.
weekend_warrior
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To me the biggest travesty with that call was not where the infielder was (even though he was basically in the outfield), it was WHEN the ump made the call.
Watch this video starting around 1:00 in- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOBSZcKXd_I
The ump doesn't call it until a split second before the ball lands, and from his vantage point he could probably have seen it wouldn't be caught at that point. So it was just like a super bail out call.
Watch this video starting around 1:00 in- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOBSZcKXd_I
The ump doesn't call it until a split second before the ball lands, and from his vantage point he could probably have seen it wouldn't be caught at that point. So it was just like a super bail out call.
.......
storybook77
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Was throwing stuff on the field stupid? Sure.
In a world where people riot and destroy property after WINNING? I'd say its a rather mild reaction.
In a world where people riot and destroy property after WINNING? I'd say its a rather mild reaction.
immediately in this case doesn't come off as a as soon as the ball leaves the bat, it comes off as he needs to decide at that moment if the infielder could have gotten the ball. He can't not call it have a double play turned and then decide to call it, it needs to be called immediately as the ball is going to be caught or before that point.
edit: again though, I don't remotely think it should have been called by the spirit of what the infield fly rule is there for (to stop a player from dropping the ball to turn a double play), but by the strict definition of the rules regarding the infield fly it does indeed fit, which is why it is a judgement play and thus not able to be turned over in protest.
now if there had been only a runner on first and it was called, or two outs and it was called you would have room to get it turned over because the infield fly can't be called in that situation.
OH WTF. FUCK THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES. I HOPE THE NATIONALS MURDER THOSE FUCKERS.
storybook77
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Infield fly should not be called any later than the ball reaching its highest point. The shortstop had already moved out of the way and the ball was well on its way down when the call was made. That's the problem. The rule is designed to protect the offense not the defense.
weekend_warrior
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Nobody that rational can understand sports.
endresults
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Yesss, let the hate flow.
We thought you had died, good to see you're up and livid.
Also, when did Twitter become an official news source?
Since about 2009. Where have you been?
Exactly. I actually think he called it after noticing the infielder pulling away. The official rule says it should be called near the apex of the fly ball. That wasn't even close to the apex at all.
Little Green Yoda
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It's been like this for the past few years. I'm assuming the writer that covers the Cards for the MLB has the access for that kind of info. Instead of relying on secondhand info or making stuff up.
Not on Twitter.
weekend_warrior
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Damn, I haven't thought about John Rocker in ages.
AndresON777
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I wish I was there I would've thrown shit too. I knew we'd lose so what's the point.
Ironically today they were hyping the defense on the pregame show on the radio.
'brooks conrad is not playing in the infield tonight'
lol how ironic
Ironically today they were hyping the defense on the pregame show on the radio.
'brooks conrad is not playing in the infield tonight'
lol how ironic
yes, bad calls have never been made in the MLB playoffs until tonight, and Selig and his top men set out specifically to screw your team.
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