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MLB - Official 2012 Season Thread: Mike Francesa Fan Club |OT3|

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zulux21

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Mine would be just pictures of Posey. 100+ pictures of posey.

speaking of Posey is he the NL MVP or is there some other MVP contenders in the NL?
I assume Ryan Braun won't be MVP over Posey because of the fact he isn't in the playoffs.
same deal with McCutchen as neither have vastly superior numbers to Posey
I guess Molina has a long shot but I think Posey has him beat... what do you guys think?
 

rekameohs

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Yankees/O's and A's/Rangers play a tiebreaker game for the division title and the losers are the wild cards.

A's/Rangers cannot tie.

This scenario has 3 wild cards. I guess they would use records vs. one another to determine who's WC1 and 2 after O's/Yanks tiebreaker decides one WC.
 

zulux21

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A's/Rangers cannot tie.

This scenario has 3 wild cards. I guess they would use records vs. one another to determine who's WC1 and 2 after O's/Yanks tiebreaker decides one WC.

"Mixed" three-way tie

The situation may arise that two teams from the same division are tied for the division championship, but they are also tied with another team from a different division, with that team not having the best record in their division, but having a better record than all of the other non-division winners.

In this case the two teams in the same division play a one game playoff, with the winner declared the division champion. The loser of the first game earns the #2 wildcard slot, and travels to the stadium of the team outside their division for the Wild Card Showdown.
from wikipedia as I couldn't find the original mlb link lol
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120907&content_id=38029316&vkey=news_mlb_nd&c_id=mlb
Determining Home-Field Advantage in Two-Team Tiebreakers

1. Head-to-head winning percentage during the 2012 regular season.
2. Higher winning percentage in intradivision games.
3. Higher winning percentage in the last half of intraleague games.
4. Higher winning percentage in the last half plus one intraleague game, provided that such additional game was not between the two tied clubs. Continue to go back one intraleague game at a time until the tie has been broken.

Determining A, B, C Designations in Three-Team Tiebreakers

1. All Three Clubs Have Identical Records Against One Another

• Club with highest winning percentage among three tied clubs in intradivision games chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest winning percentage in intradivision games. If any two of the clubs have identical winning percentages, then then the two-Club tiebreak rules will break that tie. If all three Clubs have identical winning percentages, then;

• Club with the highest winning percentage in the last half of intraleague games chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest winning percentage in intraleague games. If any two of the clubs have identical winning percentages, then then the two-Club tiebreak rules will break that tie. If all three Clubs have identical winning percentages, then;

• Club with the highest winning percentage in the last half plus one intraleague game, provided that such additional game was not between any of the tied Clubs, chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest winning percentage in the last half plus one intraleague game. Continue to go back one intraleague game at a time until the tie has been broken.

2. Three Clubs Do Not Have Identical Records Against One Another

• If Club 1 has a better record against Clubs 2 and 3, and Club 2 has a better record against Club 3, then Club 1 chooses its designation, followed by Club 2.

• If Club 1 has a better record against Clubs 2 and 3, and Club 2 and 3 have identical records against one another, then Club 1 chooses its designation. Clubs 2 and 3 would follow the two-Club tiebreak rules to break their tie to pick the next designation.

• If Club 1 and 2 have identical records against one another, but each has a better record against Club 3, then Clubs 1 and 2 would follow the two-Club tiebreak rules to break their tie to pick the first designation.

• If Club 1 has a better record against Club 2, Club 2 has a better record against Club 3, and Club 3 has a better record against Club 1; OR Club 1 has a better record against Club 2, Club 2 and 3 have identical records against one another and Club 3 has a better record against Club 1; OR Club 1 and 2 have identical records against one another, Club 1 has a better record against Club 3 and Club 2 and 3 have identical records against one another, then:

a. The Clubs will be ranked by their overall winning percentage amongst the other Clubs combined. The Club with the highest overall winning percentage in that group chooses its designation, followed by the team with the next highest overall winning percentage.

b. If two of the Clubs have identical winning percentages, then they would follow the two-Club tiebreak rules to break their tie to pick their designation.

c. If all three teams have identical winning percentages, then the tiebreak rules above (No. 1) for three clubs having identical records against one another should be followed.

Determining A, B, C, D Designations in Four-Team Tiebreakers

1. The Club with the highest winning percentage in games among the tied Clubs chooses its designation first, followed by the Club with the second-highest winning percentage and the Club with the third-highest winning percentage. If two Clubs have identical winning percentages, then the two-Club tiebreak rules shall apply to determine which team selects its designation first. If three Clubs have identical winning percentages, then the three-Club tiebreak rules shall apply to determine which teams select their designation first. If all four Clubs have identical winning percentages, then;

2. The Club with the highest winning percentage in intradivision games chooses its designation first, followed by the Club with the second-highest winning percentage and the Club with the third-highest winning percentage. If two Clubs have identical winning percentages, then the two-Club tiebreak rules shall apply to determine which team selects its designation first. If three Clubs have identical winning percentages, then the three-Club tiebreak rules shall apply to determine which teams select their designation first. If all four Clubs have identical winning percentages, then;

3. The Club with the highest winning percentage in the last half of intraleague games chooses its designation first, followed by the Club with the second-highest winning percentage and the Club with the third-highest winning percentage. If two Clubs have identical winning percentages, then the two-Club tiebreak rules shall apply to determine which team selects its designation first. If three Clubs have identical winning percentages, then the three-Club tiebreak rules shall apply to determine which teams select their designation first. If all four Clubs have identical winning percentages, then;

4. The Club with the highest winning percentage in the last half plus one intraleague game, provided that such additional game was not between any of the tied Clubs, chooses its designation followed by the Club with the second-highest winning percentage and the Club with the third-highest winning percentage. Continue to go back one intraleague game at a time until any ties have been broken.



Tiebreak Scenarios



Two-Club Tie for Division Championship (Losing team does not qualify for Wild Card):
One tiebreak game will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. Home field advantage will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.

Two-Club Tie for Division Championship and Wild Card:
One tiebreak game will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. The loser of the game will be declared a Wild Card. Home field advantage will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.

Two-Club Tie for Division Championship & Tie with Club Outside Division For One Wild Card Spot:
1. One tiebreak game will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. Home field advantage will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.

2. A second tiebreak game will be played on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) between the loser of the game to determine the Division Champion and the team from the other division at the ballpark of the team in the other division to determine the Wild Card.

Two-Club Tie for Division Championship & Tie with Club Outside Division For Two Wild Card Spots:
One tiebreak game will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. Home field advantage will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker. The loser of the game and the team from the other division will both be declared Wild Cards. Home field advantage in the Wild Card game will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.

Two-Club Tie for Division Championship & Tie with Two Clubs Outside Division For One Wild Card Spot:
1. Two tiebreak games will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). One will feature the two Clubs tied for the Division to determine the Division Champion, and the other will feature the other two Clubs outside the division. Home field advantage in each game will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.

2. A third tiebreak game will be played on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) between the loser of the game to determine the Division Champion and the winner of the game between the two Clubs outside the division at the ballpark of the team outside the division to determine the Wild Card.

Two-Club Tie for Division Championship & Tie with Two Clubs Outside Division For Two Wild Card Spots:
1. Two tiebreak games will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). One will feature the two Clubs tied for the Division to determine the Division Champion, and the other will feature the other two Clubs outside the division to determine one Wild Card Club. Home field advantage in each game will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.

2. A third tiebreak game will be played on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) between the loser of the game to determine the Division Champion and the loser of the game between the two Clubs outside the division to determine the second Wild Card Club. Home field advantage in the game will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.

Two-Club Tie for One Wild Card Spot:
One tiebreak game will be played on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively) to determine the Wild Card. Home field advantage will be determined by the rules above for a two-team tiebreaker.

Three-Club Tie for Division Championship (Losing teams do not qualify for Wild Card):
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B and C designations, Club A would host Club B on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The winner of that game would then host Club C on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion.

Three-Club Tie for Division Championship & One Wild Card Spot:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B and C designations, Club A would host Club B on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The winner of that game would then host Club C on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. The loser of the game would be declared the Wild Card Club.

Three-Club Tie for Division Championship & Two Wild Card Spots:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B and C designations, Club A would host Club B on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The loser of the game would be declared one Wild Card Club. The winner of that game would then host Club C on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) to determine the Division Champion. The loser of the game would be declared the other Wild Card Club.

Three-Club Tie for Division Championship & Tie with Club Outside Division For One Wild Card Spot:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B, C and D designations (In this case, Club D would be the Club outside the Division), Club A would host Club B and Club C would host Club D on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively).

1. If Club D wins, it would be declared the Wild Card Club and the winner of the game between Club A and Club B would be declared the Division Champion.

2. If Club C wins, then the winner of the game between Club A and Club B would host Club C on Friday, October 5th (tentatively). The winner of the game would be declared the Division Champion and the loser would be declared the Wild Card Club.

Three-Club Tie for Division Championship & Tie with Club Outside Division For Two Wild Card Spots:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B, C and D designations (In this case, Club D would be the Club outside the Division), Club A would host Club B and Club C would host Club D on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively).

1. If Club D wins, it would be declared one Wild Card Club and the winner of the game between Club A and Club B would be declared the Division Champion. The loser of the game between Club A and Club B would host Club C on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) to determine the other Wild Card Club.

2. If Club C wins, then the winner of the game between Club A and Club B would host Club C on Friday, October 5th (tentatively). The winner of the game would be declared the Division Champion and the loser would be declared one Wild Card Club. The loser of the game between Club A and Club B would host Club D, also on Friday, October 5th (tentatively), to determine the other Wild Card Club.

Three-Club Tie for One Wild Card Spot:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B and C designations, Club A would host Club B on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The winner of the game would then host Club C on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) to determine the Wild Card Club.

Three-Club Tie for Two Wild Card Spots:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B and C designations, Club A would host Club B on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The winner of the game would be declared one Wild Card winner. Club C would then host the loser of the game between Club A and Club B on Friday, October 5th (tentatively) to determine the second Wild Card Club.

Four-Club Tie for Division Championship (Losing teams do not qualify for Wild Card):
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B, C and D designations, Club A would host Club B and Club C would host Club D on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The winners of each of those games would then meet on Friday, October 5th (tentatively), hosted by the winner of the game between Club A and Club B, to determine the Division Champion.

Four-Club Tie for Division Championship & One Wild Card Spot:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B, C and D designations, Club A would host Club B and Club C would host Club D on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The winners of each of those games would then meet on Friday, October 5th (tentatively), hosted by the winner of the game between Club A and Club B, to determine the Division Champion. The loser of the game would be declared the Wild Card Club.

Four-Club Tie for Division Championship & Two Wild Card Spots:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B, C and D designations, Club A would host Club B and Club C would host Club D on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively).

1. The winners of each of those games would then meet on Friday, October 5th (tentatively), hosted by the winner of the game between Club A and Club B, to determine the Division Champion. The loser of the game would be declared the Wild Card Club.

2. The losers of the original two games would meet on Friday, October 5th (tentatively), hosted by the loser of the game between Club A and Club B, to determine the other Wild Card Club.

Four-Club Tie for One Wild Card Spot:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B, C and D designations, Club A would host Club B and Club C would host Club D on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The winners of each of those games would then meet on Friday, October 5th (tentatively), hosted by the winner of the game between Club A and Club B, to determine the Wild Card Club.

Four-Club Tie for Two Wild Card Spots:
After Clubs have been assigned their A, B, C and D designations, Club A would host Club B and Club C would host Club D on Thursday, October 4th (tentatively). The winners of each of those games would be declared the Wild Card Clubs.
 
speaking of Posey is he the NL MVP or is there some other MVP contenders in the NL?
I assume Ryan Braun won't be MVP over Posey because of the fact he isn't in the playoffs.
same deal with McCutchen as neither have vastly superior numbers to Posey
I guess Molina has a long shot but I think Posey has him beat... what do you guys think?
I personally think Molina is neck and neck with Posey in the MVP race but the voters won't see it that way since they'll undervalue Yadi's defensive edge over Buster. Joe Sheenan illustrates part of the difference with this stat in his newsletter:

Joe Sheenan said:
Posey has allowed 85 stolen bases; Molina, in 16% more innings behind the plate, has allowed just 70 stolen-base attempts. It's not just that he cuts down about half the runners who tried to steal, it's that he takes the stolen base away from the opposition. Opponents are nearly twice as likely to attempt a steal on Posey as they are on Molina, and half again as likely to succeed against him. It's not a baserunners effect; the Cardinals have allowed a few more singles+walks -- a proxy for stolen-base opportunities -- than the Giants have.
 

zulux21

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I personally think Molina is neck and neck with Posey in the MVP race but the voters won't see it that way since they'll undervalue Yadi's defensive edge over Buster. Joe Sheenan illustrates part of the difference with this stat in his newsletter:

if it's just between those two I personally would find that interesting... I mean when is the last time the top two in MVP votes were two catchers?
 

Fenix

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I personally think Molina is neck and neck with Posey in the MVP race but the voters won't see it that way since they'll undervalue Yadi's defensive edge over Buster. Joe Sheenan illustrates part of the difference with this stat in his newsletter:
Posey's neck is much nicer though.
 
Since Detroit is in the playoffs again, I'm keeping my word on what I said last year: Not buying any postseason home tickets unless they make the World Series

Better step it up this time Tigers
 

zulux21

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Since Detroit is in the playoffs again, I'm keeping my word on what I said last year: Not buying any postseason home tickets unless they make the World Series

Better step it up this time Tigers

Part of me is rooting for the tigers now because I like the WS champ being the the AL central (prefer it to be the white sox, but the white sox will still get a ticket boost from the 8-10 games they would have against the WS champ instead of the 3-4 or 0 games from somewhere else) I am still somewhat bitter about the Tigers 2006 performance in the WS though it was rather pathetic especially when it came to the pitchers and throwing the ball away.
 

Corran Horn

May the Schwartz be with you
I personally think Molina is neck and neck with Posey in the MVP race but the voters won't see it that way since they'll undervalue Yadi's defensive edge over Buster. Joe Sheenan illustrates part of the difference with this stat in his newsletter:

It will be interesting. Alot of people will probably look at how Posey lead the team to NL West title after Melky was suspended. Its a nice story.
 

cashman

Banned
lol


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Rangers and Yankees are now tied for the #1 seed in the AL with the Orioles and Athletics both being one game back. Yankees own the tiebreaker over the Rangers by going 4-3 in the season series.

Nationals and Reds are tied for the #1 seed in the NL. Nationals own the tiebreaker by going 5-2 in the season series.

If there are AL East and AL West tiebreakers, here are the home/away:

TEX @ OAK
NYY @ BAL

Athletics are currently 10-6 this season against the Rangers, so they are guaranteed homefield in a tiebreaker.

Yankees and Orioles split the season series 9-9, but the Orioles (42-28) have a better record within the AL East than the Yankees (39-31) so they get homefield.

For the AL Wild Card Game, here's all the home/away:

BAL @ OAK
BAL @ TEX
OAK @ NYY
TEX @ NYY

For the NL Wild Card Game, here's the home/away:

STL @ ATL
LAD @ ATL

If the Cardinals and Dodgers have to play a tiebreaker, it would be STL @ LAD.

EDIT: fixed STL and LAD homefield.
 

zulux21

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Rangers and Yankees are now tied for the #1 seed in the AL with the Orioles and Athletics both being one game back. Yankees own the tiebreaker over the Rangers by going 4-3 in the season series.

Nationals and Reds are tied for the #1 seed in the NL. Nationals own the tiebreaker by going 5-2 in the season series.

For the AL Wild Card Game, here's all the home/away possibilities:

BAL @ OAK
BAL @ TEX
OAK @ NYY
TEX @ NYY

For the NL Wild Card Game, here's the home/away:

STL @ ATL
LAD @ ATL

If the Cardinals and Dodgers have to play a tiebreaker, it would be LAD @ STL. Dodgers and Cardinals split the season series 4-4, but the Cardinals have a better intra-division record, so they get homefield.

isn't it the first seed wild card team is home and second one is away.
thus if O's win the next two games (and so do the yankees)Texas loses their next two games it would actually be Tex @ Bal
if O's don't win next two games and texas loses theire next two games Bal @ Tex
if Bal wins their next two games and oak doesn't Oak @ Bal
if Bal doesn't win another game and Oak wins 1 more Bal @ Oak
and throw in the yankees as well
if the yankees end up as wild card and texas the other it would be tex @ ny
and not sure what the season record on oak is as oak would either have less wins or a tie to face the yankees as a wild card.
 
LA won the season series against STL 6 games to 5 games. Potential tie breaker game would be in LA.

Which means the Cards might have to finish their Wednesday night game in STL, travel to LA for a tie breaker game on Thursday, back east to ATL for the play-in game on Friday before getting an off day and returning back to STL for Game 1 of the NLDS.

Yeah, let's win another regular season game to avoid the tie breaker game. <_<
 
LA won the season series against STL 6 games to 5 games. Potential tie breaker game would be in LA.

Which means the Cards might have to finish their Wednesday night game in STL, travel to LA for a tie breaker game on Thursday, back east to ATL for the play-in game on Friday before getting an off day and returning back to STL for Game 1 of the NLDS.

Yeah, let's win another regular season game to avoid the tie breaker game. <_<

What? LAD and STL played 11 games against each other?

EDIT: Yep. Looks like they were the two odd NL teams out when Interleague started.
 
isn't it the first seed wild card team is home and second one is away.
thus if O's win the next two games (and so do the yankees)Texas loses their next two games it would actually be Tex @ Bal
if O's don't win next two games and texas loses theire next two games Bal @ Tex
if Bal wins their next two games and oak doesn't Oak @ Bal
if Bal doesn't win another game and Oak wins 1 more Bal @ Oak
and throw in the yankees as well
if the yankees end up as wild card and texas the other it would be tex @ ny
and not sure what the season record on oak is as oak would either have less wins or a tie to face the yankees as a wild card.

Wild Card Game homefield is strictly decided by season series between the two teams (if it's tied, then it goes to best winning percentage within their division). Overall record is disregarded.
 
Chris Carpenter is scheduled to pitch tomorrow for the Cardinals, so you can forget him in any potential tiebreaker against the Dodgers or the Wild Card Game against the Braves.

Mike Matheny told reporters that if they still haven't clinched the WC after Tuesday, Adam Wainwright will pitch Wednesday, so that would also knock him out of a tiebreaker and the WC game. That seems to imply that Wainwright would be their guy in the WC game.
 

zulux21

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Wild Card Game homefield is strictly decided by season series between the two teams (if it's tied, then it goes to best winning percentage within their division). Overall record is disregarded.

I am reading that it's based off the season record and then if it's tied it goes to the face to face record o_O; (which this would make far more sense as the team that has 93+ wins should have home field over the team with 87+ wins)

from wikipedia
The home team for this single-game playoff is the wild card team with the better of the two regular season records. If both teams have the same number of wins and losses, tie-breaking procedures are used (no additional games are played).

from this article posted a few days ago
Not only are both AL wild-card berths still up for grabs, so is home-field advantage in the actual wild-card game. And that advantage could prove pivotal, as the Rays or Orioles potentially would have to travel all the way across the country to face the A’s or Angels (and vice versa). And the repercussions would extend into the LDS.

Imagine, for example, that Baltimore finishes as the No. 2 wild-card team and must travel to face Oakland in the winner-take-all game Friday. And then assume the Orioles beat the A’s. They would have to travel all the way back to Baltimore to host Game 1 of the ALDS next Sunday.

oddly enough I can't find anything about this on the mlb site though lol
 

xbhaskarx

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This is the kind of sign you need to put up in the clubhouse when you have 15 rookies on the roster... Photo from the A's postgame celebration:

"Please limit your AAA stories to 1 per day per person"
 

RobotHaus

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Oh Rays, I'm so sad that you didn't make the playoffs this year. But I'm still proud of you and there's always next year. Keep everyone healthy and it should be an easy clinch.

As for the Cardinals, you are my sole hopes for the Post Season. I trust you won't let me down. I can only hope they enter the playoffs as an underdog because that is when we truly shine. Everytime people pick us as the unanimous pick we just flop, but if no one wants us to win, why we win it all.
 
I feel like the worst type of bandwagoner some years, because I only ever lurk in this thread and never post, but thank God this year I got my name in as a Card's fan when the OP was created. I feel less douchey this year.

I'm really hoping we can just close this out tonight. I do not want the Cards to have to go through 2 one-game series.
 
Oh Rays, I'm so sad that you didn't make the playoffs this year. But I'm still proud of you and there's always next year. Keep everyone healthy and it should be an easy clinch.

As for the Cardinals, you are my sole hopes for the Post Season. I trust you won't let me down. I can only hope they enter the playoffs as an underdog because that is when we truly shine. Everytime people pick us as the unanimous pick we just flop, but if no one wants us to win, why we win it all.

The reason the Rays didn't make the playoffs is due to the amazing luck of the orioles in 1 run games.
 

jman2050

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The Rays will probably win the same number of games they did last season, it just turned out to not be enough this time around. No shame in the season they've had.
 
Yankees top pitching prospect Manny Banuelos needs Tommy John surgery and will miss the entire 2013 season.

C.J. Wilson needs offseason elbow surgery to remove bone spurs, which may explain his poor performance down the stretch.
 
speaking of Posey is he the NL MVP or is there some other MVP contenders in the NL?
I assume Ryan Braun won't be MVP over Posey because of the fact he isn't in the playoffs.

Brewers homer here, but I don't think Braun should be penalized because of our atrocious relief corps. Then again, I'm sure Dodgers fans were saying the same about Kemp last year, so I really don't have a leg on which to stand.
 
Jayson Stark says he's voting Mike Trout as AL MVP. Also said he's voting Craig Kimbrel as NL Cy Young.

I'll be thrilled to see Kimbrel get it. The few games here and there I've seen him pitch, good lord the kid's got it. Plus there was no starter in the NL who I'd really consider a shoo-in like Halladay and Kershaw were the last couple years.
 
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