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[kikkis]

Its not doing bloated PC architecture:
- No giant discrete videocard with bulky houding, RGB, convoluted power connectors on PCIe slot requiring additional 400W of power and its own complex cooling rig.
- No separate pools of RAM requiring awkward DIMM slots.
- No complicated motherboards with huge margins for mobo ODM, no RGB BS to indicate "Gamer" mobo, no Gamer tax on the controller chip for the board.
- No need for a giant 850W PSU since you only need to power one fucking SoC that has CPU and GPU inside, only requiring around 400W unit.

Magnus only requires what consoles do:
- Single unified cooling set up
- simple layout with unified RAM soldered on the mobo around a single SoC and soldered PCIe NAND plus a single m.2 slot
- Smaller PSU with single set of cables to the motherboard

A 36GB RAM base Magnus box could be made for $1000, and sold with decent margins for $1200.

3rd party Magnus with 48GB of RAM and multiple m.2 slots, RGB BS could be made for $1200 and sold for $1500 for nice proifits.

$2000 is for bloated traditional ATX mATX PC rig with lots of added complexity for upgrade path. You will not upgrade Nagnus box other than SSD.

I think it would be nice if it had lpcamm2 slot. For like cheaper and smaller workstation.

 

[splattered]

Lower spec, cheaper systems are the definition of a console and why they exist.

'We're Not Growing the Market with $1000 Consoles'
~some guy

You would think that was something that was said 50 years ago.

These companies have a history of fucking these things up haha

Microsoft more than Sony for sure but im not giving either of them the benefit of the doubt anymore.

They've both gone full retard this gen.

 

[Shogmaster]

I think it would be nice if it had lpcamm2 slot. For like cheaper and smaller workstation.

No slots of any kind for GDDR. Soldered is only option.

 

[kikkis]

No slots of any kind for GDDR. Soldered is only option.

yeah but if it had like lpddr5 and gddr7, you could extend lpddr5. But yes it seems to be gddr7 only.

 

[Shogmaster]

yeah but if it had like lpddr5 and gddr7, you could extend lpddr5. But yes it seems to be gddr7 only.

SoC gonna SoC...

Yeah, you could do slots with LPDDR5X or LPDDR6, but bandwidth is not enough for Magnus so... GDDR7.

 

[Topher]

These companies have a history of fucking these things up haha

Microsoft more than Sony for sure but im not giving either of them the benefit of the doubt anymore.

They've both gone full retard this gen.

Definitely shouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt. Just wait for the prices and everything else will fall in line. The mistake in all this is those who are not understanding that price is still king in gaming.

 

[nial]

These companies have a history of fucking these things up haha

Microsoft more than Sony for sure but im not giving either of them the benefit of the doubt anymore.

They've both gone full retard this gen.

#SonyToo

 

[DyeHardX86]

Its a SoC. 5080 dont have CPUs.

Also. Its 2 chiplets. 144mm² + 264mm². Its no where as complex as doing a single 407mm² monolithic die.

It's my understanding especially with the brand new bridge die architecture that the Magnus chiplet design would be much more complex than a traditional monolithic design especially with the substrate considerations

 

[Negotiator101]

Full disclousure, im hyped for it, even if i dont buy it(maybe i will, who knows, nothing is set in stone yet) i want its specs to be officially announced, lets put some preasure both on sony and pc market too, bring back some healthy or even not so healthy competition.

This summer looks highly likely, with a smug look Phil will run the VT with the engineers talking about how it will eat monsters etc

 

[DenchDeckard]

Imagine a ROG version of this. It's gonna be like 3 grand and offer a 100mhz OC

 

[demigod]

You underestimate the amount of people without money buying things they can't really afford in this economy.

It will sell 5M. That's only a small fraction of the xbox fanboys on twitter. Especially with the xbox mindset that next year is the year they're going to be full of (possibly) false hope that "this gen is the gen MS deliver". The same applied to the Series consoles. Much like it-it may not have very long legs, might crash and burn in later years with very few sales once the diehards fans have bought it near launch year or so. It will sell initially though and I suspect blow past 5M.

I really doubt they will sell that much. Folks like Timdog has already jump shipped.

 

[David_Android]

MLID? Is this a joke?

 

[Lagspike_exe]

To be honest I don't follow Xbox news that much so I don't know about details of different versions.

Regardless, this will be much more expensive than PS6 and PS6 will be much more expensive than PS5.





AT LEAST 1000$, looks more looking at specs (1500?). PS6 alone looks close enough to 1k with specs it have, and they look far cheaper than what this thing will have.

Yeah, this looks like $1,500 since MS probably is not doing razer-blade any more.

 

[Moses85]

2027 is Year of Xbox

Since 2020

 

[midnightAI]

Its basically a botique pc at this point like a Alienware type pc with custom parts that are hard to upgrade. Alot of people prefer prebuilt pcs vs building their own still.

I guess they are going for the same demographic the steambox is aiming for albeit with the additional ability to play all xbox games. The end game for all these companies is to have us rent server time to play

They do, but most people like to have the choice of upgrading in the future even if it's just the graphics card or ram, having an APU means you can't upgrade the graphics card and soldered ram means not being able to upgrade that either. That's the benefit of these expensive gaming PC's, you do still have that option.

 

[Team Andromeda]

My point is, I doubt anyone (well, many) will be spending this amount of money on a console, power matters little of your biggest competitor that is currently trouncing you on the market is selling their next console at half the price you are

If people want something, they'll find the money. It's not like console gaming was cheap in the 80's and overlooking your wind-up drivel.
People pay loads for phones, even ones that aren't trouncing the competition.

The PC gamer and console gamer are not the same.

 

[midnightAI]

If people want something, they'll find the money. It's not like console gaming was cheap in the 80's and overlooking your wind-up drivel.
People pay loads for phones, even ones that aren't trouncing the competition.

The PC gamer and console gamer are not the same.

I wish people would stop comparing phones to consoles, a device we use MANY times a day, every day, a device we have on us all day, a communications device, a device that has many functions, a device most get a contract for, a device that you can get very cheap or pay a fortune for (so choices), it's a stupid comparison that holds no weight.

We'll see, but I've mentioned why I don't think people will buy a +$1000 console from MS (and that part is as important as the price) and very few reasons why people will (POWAAAR seems to be the only one)

(Also, why do you consider my responses as 'wind-up drivel'?)

 

[GHG]

Ahhh ok I see, Sony is gonna offer a fully next gen experience system for a lower price than the ps5 pro is currently selling for "because people are used to paying that now" and to undercut xbox and take their loyal customers..

Good luck with that

Maybe we will all be lucky and by the time these things release general pricing will come back down to earth somehow.

You really don't get it do you? "Undercutting Xbox" won't be a concern of theirs and it's not something they will be thinking of.

The competition between them is over, but yet you're still insistent on fighting this in your head.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

You really don't get it do you? "Undercutting Xbox" won't be a concern of theirs and it's not something they will be thinking of.

The competition between them is over, but yet you're still insistent on fighting this in your head.

Pretty much. Hopefully, they can stretch this generation out. PS5 Pro is good enough for current gen games. There's no point in launching until they can get 2nm APU done at a reasonable cost.

 

[demigod]

We already do.

It's called a PC, no?

You've said as much in the past yourself.

That's strange, considering he said he's been building PCs for over 20 years.

 

[splattered]

#SonyToo

Naw you are right, Sony is exempt from scrutiny and criticism because they aren't Microsoft. My bad.

 

[splattered]

You really don't get it do you? "Undercutting Xbox" won't be a concern of theirs and it's not something they will be thinking of.

The competition between them is over, but yet you're still insistent on fighting this in your head.

Huh? No I'm not. This isn't about fighting Microsoft. Its about fighting themselves and their own pursuit for profit. Just as Microsoft struggles with but makes shittier front facing decisions at times. Are you sure it isn't you who are still fighting this in your head because you seem to pop up in nearly every single Microsoft related thread with something negative to say since the Actiblizz acquisition thread days. I personally think MS and Sony are both sad shells of what they used to be. And then sometimes they both surprise us with something halfway decent. Im an old man now been gaming since the days of Atari and even before that so yeah it frustrates me to see them make so many missteps because it really shouldn't be that hard.

 

[splattered]

Timdog? Really thats your example?

Show me 5 million Timdogs that went to game exchange and traded their entire inventory of physical xbox games for Playstation games with no way to play anything but Playstation now and maybe id kinda sorta halfway believe you.

Both Playstation and Xbox are several generations deep now, if you really think 10s of millions of Xbox fans have totally jumped ship to play this generation's safe swamp of remade Playstation 1st party titles and timed 3rd party exclusives i'd say you are crazy.

The problem probably isn't retaining existing customers as much as it is obtaining new ones out of thin air. Sony is doing a hell of a lot better job of that but I wouldn't say Microsoft are going backwards.

 

[Shogmaster]

It's my understanding especially with the brand new bridge die architecture that the Magnus chiplet design would be much more complex than a traditional monolithic design especially with the substrate considerations

AMD solved the interconnect cost issue apparently.

 

[damidu]

ah heartwarming to see we are again full circle at pre-launch hype phase of green rat saga, soon to be followed by ps6 fud, post launch reality check, denial, acceptance.
i guess the only difference will be that itll be extremely fast-tracked this time, this is going to be quickest doa in console history, if it ever releases

 

[adamsapple]

ah heartwarming to see we are again full circle at pre-launch hype phase of green rat saga, soon to be followed by ps6 fud, post launch reality check, denial, acceptance.
i guess the only difference will be that itll be extremely fast-tracked this time, this is going to be quickest doa in console history, if it ever releases

So you admit it's a console.

*demigod did not like that*

 

[subzero83]

sounds like a freaking beast.

 

[Sohurmk833]

Timdog? Really thats your example?

Show me 5 million Timdogs that went to game exchange and traded their entire inventory of physical xbox games for Playstation games with no way to play anything but Playstation now and maybe id kinda sorta halfway believe you.

Both Playstation and Xbox are several generations deep now, if you really think 10s of millions of Xbox fans have totally jumped ship to play this generation's safe swamp of remade Playstation 1st party titles and timed 3rd party exclusives i'd say you are crazy.

The problem probably isn't retaining existing customers as much as it is obtaining new ones out of thin air. Sony is doing a hell of a lot better job of that but I wouldn't say Microsoft are going backwards.

Several generations? It's exactly 2. And the vast majority of people barely plays their old games anyway.

 

[clarky]

The issue is, once you start talking those kind of prices why not just buy a proper gaming PC that you can upgrade for years to come?

I primarily play on PC. Price dependent but if it is as open as they say I'd pick this over a steam machine as a living room box.

 

[Ozriel]

Definitely shouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt. Just wait for the prices and everything else will fall in line. The mistake in all this is those who are not understanding that price is still king in gaming.

Yes. And that's why Sony will easily outsell the next gen Xbox multiple times over.

But for those who can afford the next gen Xbox, it's a compelling offering.

ah heartwarming to see we are again full circle at pre-launch hype phase of green rat saga, soon to be followed by ps6 fud, post launch reality check, denial, acceptance.
i guess the only difference will be that itll be extremely fast-tracked this time, this is going to be quickest doa in console history, if it ever releases

Where's this 'reality check' supposed to come from?
Who's going to regret gaming on powerful hardware with a massive library, free online and (most certainly) PCVR support just because the PS6 will sell a lot more?


Especially when half of Sony's first party output lands on PC day one, and the other half show up in a year, with better visuals and mod support.

 

[clarky]

Yes. And that's why Sony will easily outsell the next gen Xbox multiple times over.

But for those who can afford the next gen Xbox, it's a compelling offering.

I think this will be more a Steam machine competitor. Most console only folk will switch to PlayStation next gen aside from those with money to burn.

ie: fairly niche, its a way out of the console buisness for them.

 

[adamsapple]

I primarily play on PC. Price dependent but if it is as open as they say I'd pick this over a steam machine as a living room box.

On a slight tangent.

K KeplerL2 said in another thread that even if Magnus is twice as expensive as the Steam Machien, it would be a better value for spces/performance.

To me, it just makes the most sense to wait an extra year to get that instead of the anemic Steamdeck.

 

[Topher]

I think this will be more a Steam machine competitor. Most console only folk will switch to PlayStation next gen aside from those with money to burn.

ie: fairly niche, its a way out of the console buisness for them.

Yeah, Steam Machine might be a compelling option for a lot of folks if priced right. Outside of that, biggest competition for PS6 is probably going to be PS5. Maybe Switch 2 if they continue getting ports

 

[Ozriel]

The issue is, once you start talking those kind of prices why not just buy a proper gaming PC that you can upgrade for years to come?

Good idea.
The Cooler Master NR200P mini ITX PC with an RTX5080 GPU is only $2800 on Amazon right now.

Over twice the price, and it'll be bigger, louder and consume a lot more power. No controller in the box too.

So…yeah.

Oh. I see you already answered your own question.

You mention PS5 Pro, but can you buy a PC for the price of a Pro that can play the same games at the same quality?

Do you think you'll be able to buy a SFF PC for the same price as Magnus that will play the same games at the same quality?

 

[adamsapple]

Good idea.
The Cooler Master NR200P mini ITX PC with an RTX5080 GPU is only $2800 on Amazon right now.

Over twice the price, and it'll be bigger, louder and consume a lot more power. No controller in the box too.

So…yeah.

Oh. I see you already answered your own question.



Do you think you'll be able to buy a SFF PC for the same price as Magnus that will play the same games at the same quality?

And 5080 Laptops are up to and above $3000. Yikes.

 

[StereoVsn]

Imagine a ROG version of this. It's gonna be like 3 grand and offer a 100mhz OC

And will take 300w more power!

 

[JohnnyFootball]

What's your estimate then? We can come back to this and I will gladly eat crow.

I guess I agree that they might not produce enough in the first year to meet initial demand and it might be prolonged but knowing AMD I don't think their contract is for less than 5M lifetime.

1 million is legit what I am expecting.

Several generations? It's exactly 2. And the vast majority of people barely plays their old games anyway.

Funnily enough and not surprising I just buy old games I want to replay on Steam.

My Xbox libray is meaningless to me.

 

[Ozriel]

And 5080 Laptops are up to and above $3000. Yikes.

Yeah, thats where the MSRP is.
You can find cheaper on deals if you look hard enough. There's a deal for the Legion 7 Pro 5080 for slightly over $2k now.

I bought a Legion 7 5090 a couple of weeks ago for approx $3,300 after tax. It's gone back up to $4k now.

Of course the laptop GPUs are throughly gimped compared to their desktop counterparts.

 

[Shogmaster]

So you admit it's a console.

*demigod did not like that*

Hardware of a console, OS of a PC. It's the big boy Stea... err.. Windows Machine. W Box? Err...

 

[clarky]

On a slight tangent.

K KeplerL2 said in another thread that even if Magnus is twice as expensive as the Steam Deck, it would be a better value for spces/performance.

To me, it just makes the most sense to wait an extra year to get that instead of the anemic Steamdeck.

Ill take more power for a few extra quid any day of the week. I have a mini itx 4070 in the living room, this would make for a nice upgrade if done right. The market for this is small though.

 

[Three]

1 million is legit what I am expecting.

Funnily enough and not surprising I just buy old games I want to replay on Steam.

My Xbox libray is meaningless to me.

I would be surprised if it's only 1M. I don't see how AMD would require a minimum order commitment of 10M for a custom SoC for a handheld but then accept only a 1M commitment for another custom SoC.

 

[clarky]

I would be surprised if it's only 1M. I don't see how AMD would require a minimum order commitment of 10M for a custom SoC for a handheld but then accept only a 1M commitment for another custom SoC.

This is a 5-10 million seller tops imo. Which is fine as long as that what their expectations are as well.

 

[StereoVsn]

Ill take more power for a few extra quid any day of the week. I have a mini itx 4070 in the living room, this would make for a nice upgrade if done right. The market for this is small though.

You guys must mean that new Steam Machine. Or are we talking about Magnus handheld?

 

[adamsapple]

You guys must mean that new Steam Machine. Or are we talking about Magnus handheld?

Steam machine. Not Deck, edited the post, lo.

 

[StereoVsn]

Steam machine. Not Deck, edited the post, lo.

It's going to be interesting to see the price points, that's for sure.

 

[clarky]

You guys must mean that new Steam Machine. Or are we talking about Magnus handheld?

Yeah I have a second 4070 mini itx for kicking back on the sofa. The steam machine doesn't do it for me, if this is like say a 5070ti equivalent and i can ignore the xbox bullshit I'd think about it. For the right price.

 

[subzero83]

How many times is this more powerful then ps6 home console version?

 

[GHG]

Huh? No I'm not. This isn't about fighting Microsoft. Its about fighting themselves and their own pursuit for profit. Just as Microsoft struggles with but makes shittier front facing decisions at times. Are you sure it isn't you who are still fighting this in your head because you seem to pop up in nearly every single Microsoft related thread with something negative to say since the Actiblizz acquisition thread days. I personally think MS and Sony are both sad shells of what they used to be. And then sometimes they both surprise us with something halfway decent. Im an old man now been gaming since the days of Atari and even before that so yeah it frustrates me to see them make so many missteps because it really shouldn't be that hard.

If you think I've only had negative things to say about Microsoft (and more specifically their strategy/decisions when it comes to their gaming business) since the Activision acquisition then you might want to go quote a bit further back. I've been a lifetime "hater" baby.

But hey, maybe if them and their fans were capable of taking negative feedback on board then they wouldn't be in their current predicament whereby there will be no next gen console and instead they're having to resort to selling a $1500+ PC.

I'm not sure what you rattling on about Sony has to do with anything in this thread considering at this stage we have no idea what they are or aren't going to do regarding their next gen plans, along with the fact that this thread's subject matter is about what Microsoft are doing. It's a very strange way to deflect and justify what you're going to be forced to purchase in order to keep up this crusade.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

How many times is this more powerful then ps6 home console version?

Difference is said to be similar to PS4 pro and Xbox One X.

I imagine it could be meaningful if games are, say pushing Path Tracing etc on these. Thats when one needs a top end card.

Otherwise if its small resolution bump, it could be mitigated by upscaling in these machines.

 

[KeplerL2]

How many times is this more powerful then ps6 home console version?

30-50% depending on TDP targets for both