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[ShaiKhulud1989]

After reading some daft takes here, let’s apply the same logic to platform holder Microsoft.

Stalker is a timed exclusive that was not even published by Xbox.

MSFS 2024 was developed by a 3rd party on a 3rd party engine and tech.

Indiana is a result of a moneyhatting of an entire publisher.

Ara was developed by a 3rd party.

So Xbox has no games this year by that logic, except maybe a remake of Age of Mythology.

 

[nnytk]

I mean this is so silly. You have a 4 year old library to play through while the rest of us who have been there since launch have already been there and done that. And having played them all, i can safely say that they are simply too formulaic and too samey. I dont feel spoiled. I feel bloated being fed the same thing over and over again.

Well, things aren't black and white - and I should add that I came from gaming on PC for over two decades.

Having said that, I have no idea how much you have to play on a daily basis, to really play all multiplatform, first party and top indie games there are to play. It seems nearly impossible to me.

I don't follow many YouTubers but I do follow HappyConsoleGamer. He choses JRPG's over many other, big games, and even with focusing on RPG's alone, on a yearly basis, I cannot find the time and energy to buy and play every "must play RPG" of the year.

Maybe it's more about expanding your interests? Because I don't feel as if I'm being fed the same thing over and over again. In 2024 alone I was able to go from Alan Wake 2 Deluxe to Astro Bot to Unicorn Overlord to Stellar Blade to Romancing Saga 2 to Balatro. Only to finish up with DarkTide and PoE2. I haven't even finished any game I just mentioned apart from Unicorn Overlord.

The diversity, quality and depth that is available in gaming today, is incredible.

Edit: Sony's first party output could be better, but I don't see it as an issue with the wealth of games available.

 

[HogIsland]

But I didn't include the PS5 games. If we just go by Sony first party, I feel like GT7 , Ragnarok, Returnal, R&C rift apart, forbidden West and spider man 2 are probably better than the PS4 list. I would agree if we go by just all games, I would probably take PS4. The power of Bloodborne baby!

Also my point is I think people don't really remember some of the down times and just remember playing great games. Again, sonys first party had not much to note between second son and uncharted 4. Pretty long gap saved by second party, exclusivity deals and what not

Horizon and God of War are PS4 games. PS4 had GT6 at this point. It had Uncharted 4, Bloodborne, Infamous Second Son and The Last Guardian and many others. I don't think it's close. Naughty Dog's actual followup to Last of Us pt 2 isn't even announced.

 

[Danjin44]

The game doesn't deserve the praise because that's all it is, a cutesy little platformer. There's nothing new or innovative.

It's the perfect short and casual game for a reviewer to turn on and enjoy for a few hours, however. It's the kind of game I'd want Sony to make if I wanted them to be like Nintendo I guess...

Games like Elden Ring got lot of praise but did that game did anything "innovative"? No, but the game got praise it was fun to play same with Astro Bot.

 

[DenchDeckard]

After reading some daft takes here, let’s apply the same logic to platform holder Microsoft.

Stalker is a timed exclusive that was not even published by Xbox.

MSFS 2024 was developed by a 3rd party on a 3rd party engine and tech.

Indiana is a result of a moneyhatting of an entire publisher.

Ara was developed by a 3rd party.

So Xbox has no games this year by that logic, except maybe a remake of Age of Mythology.

Why is it always whataboutism with Sony guys when there are genuine discussions to be had at how poor their output has been vs previous gens.

Microsoft own Bethesda and have done for years. Indy is their game.

People want to talk about organic growth and purchases and Bethesda was probably the most organic purchase outside of Plauground games they could make.

Todd and ms and the zenimax guys had been friends and nurturing a relationship since Morrowind on the og xbox.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Nintendo 64 called they said they want their genre back

I regret to inform you that Nintendo didn't invent the genre.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Why is it always whataboutism with Sony guys when there are genuine discussions to be had at how poor their output has been vs previous gens.

Microsoft own Bethesda and have done for years. Indy is their game.

People want to talk about organic growth and purchases and Bethesda was probably the most organic purchase outside of Plauground games they could make.

Todd and ms and the zenimax guys had been friends and nurturing a relationship since Morrowind on the og xbox.

I’m just applying stupid OP logic to the only home console vendor that is not Sony. And it perfectly shows how stupid the whole argument is.

And my point still stands.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I’m just applying stupid OP logic to the only home console vendor that is not Sony. And it perfectly shows how stupid the whole argument is.

And my point still stands.

That MS did release a first party game this year?

 

[SaturnSaturn]

Astrobot singelhandedly made me rebuy a ps5. other than that there is not a single exclusive game that i am interested in on either platform (xbox or ps). So yes, its a terrible gen.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

That MS did release a first party game this year?

That you can demote every platform holded with OPs logic.

 

[Mattyp]

That you can demote every platform holded with OPs logic.

Eh, MSFS2024, CoD, Indiana & Age of Mythology is better than Sonys first party output this year.

No need to do random goalposts in and out of the thread I think that’s all it boils down to, Sony wasted to much time chasing GAAS and didn’t deliver and now it’s going to be a few years until output catches up, not even sure what’s coming next year as a heavy hitter for them?

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

No need to do random goalposts

Nobody moves anything lol. It's literally the same cherrypicking as with the OP, my dude.

 

[Melchiah]

Yeah. That live service shit set them back big time. It be till ps6 till they have things back up to norm maybe

This false narrative is starting to get tiresome. The live service move was additive to the traditional model, not subtractive. In fact, they increased investment in the traditional model as well, like Sony's business segment briefings of 2022 show for FY25.

They also greatly increased investment in new IPs for FY25, and we'll probably see the results in the near future.

 

[Three]

It's downright pathetic.

Off the top of my head I can only name three new IP's:

Destruction All-Stars
Concord
Returnal

You're obviously not trying hard enough considering Stellar blade and Rise of the Ronin released this year as new IPs.

 

[GymWolf]

The jimbo-helmet 1-2 combo would do that to everyone.

 

[Lysandros]

I think the biggest factor is Sony going multiplatform with PC. Somethings had to be sacrificed, they did. The thing which makes a platform special/unique at the core is the exclusive games/experiences they provide.

 

[Sony]

If Microsoft has the best first party exclusives ever and they make it 100% exclusive to Xbox, it won't be significant for their Xbox sales
If Sony has the worst first party lineup ever, it won't be signiicant for ther Playstation sales.

The sooner you realise that the market is already consolidated and Playstation is a cultural phenomenan where first party does't actually matter, the sooner you'll live a happier life.

 

[Humdinger]

Yeah, I enjoyed the PS4 gen, but PS5 gen has been quite lackluster. They screwed up franchises I liked (Horizon FW), their games got increasingly woke (e.g., Spider-Man 2, Concord), and their heavy investment in live service seems utterly pointless to me.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

You're obviously not trying hard enough considering Stellar blade and Rise of the Ronin released this year as new IPs.

I loved Ronin but that isn’t a first party game. Then again I guess Destruction isn’t either so we are down to 2 new IPs, thanks for the help there.

 

[Three]

I loved Ronin but that isn’t a first party game. Then again I guess Destruction isn’t either so we are down to 2 new IPs, thanks for the help there.

You tried to use Destruction as a first party GaaS game and failure yet when presented with more first party SP games that are produced by other studios decided to remove it for added effect. Cool.

 

[FrankWza]

Yeah, I enjoyed the PS4 gen, but PS5 gen has been quite lackluster. They screwed up franchises I liked (Horizon FW), their games got increasingly woke (e.g., Spider-Man 2, Concord), and their heavy investment in live service seems utterly pointless to me.

Call of Duty is using pronouns now. If that's a negative, which it seems to be according to you, then whose fault is that? Is that the Activision leftovers or the Microsoft and xbox influence?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

You tried to use Destruction as a first party GaaS game and failure yet when presented with more first party SP games that are produced by other studios decided to remove it for added effect. Cool.

I tried to use Destruction as a first party game because there are so few and realized when I corrected you that Ronin and tits lady game aren’t first party, that Destruction actually isn’t either. We both benefited from knowledge this morning. Cool.

 

[Three]

I tried to use Destruction as a first party game because there are so few and realized when I corrected you that Ronin and tits lady game aren’t first party, that Destruction actually isn’t either. We both benefited from knowledge this morning. Cool.

2 Gaas failures vs the good SP game Returnal was far too tempting I assume. Those are first party games still though from non first party studios including Ronin and Stellar Blade.

What's weird is that there are far more bigger new IPs on PS than there are on others when it boils down to it. Regardless of how you try and categorise them. PS is renown for creating new IPs rather than having a studio rehashing the same IP for decades.

Recently we got DS, GoT, Stellar Blade, Bloodborne, Rise of the Ronin, Returnal, even Dreams. All new IP. All without buying up the studio to "make it count" or not. As if that's what people should care about.

 

[ArtHands]

I tried to use Destruction as a first party game because there are so few and realized when I corrected you that Ronin and tits lady game aren’t first party, that Destruction actually isn’t either. We both benefited from knowledge this morning. Cool.

Somehow Ronin and Stellar Blade are first party games now. No idea why but try not to make sense out of it

 

[SkylineRKR]

If Microsoft has the best first party exclusives ever and they make it 100% exclusive to Xbox, it won't be significant for their Xbox sales
If Sony has the worst first party lineup ever, it won't be signiicant for ther Playstation sales.

The sooner you realise that the market is already consolidated and Playstation is a cultural phenomenan where first party does't actually matter, the sooner you'll live a happier life.

Precisely. Playstation is simply the brand of choice, no matter the first party output. I think in 2006 this wasn't as established yet, as PS3 lost a lot of share (but still more than MS ever managed). But a decade of PS4 transitioned into PS5 certainly cemented Sony's grip. They simply won't go anywhere. Consumers decided that they rather play EA FC, CoD, Fortnite and GTA on Playstation than on an Xbox. If a next generation console war happens, Playstation wins by numbers. This isn't even up for debate anymore. The status quo doesn't seem to change in the forseeable future.

In the smartphone industry the same trend happened. You can come up with superior alternatives, much cheaper even. But as far as Android goes Samsung is the go to brand for over a decade and it seems it won't change any time soon. It will sell best by default.

 

[Humdinger]

Call of Duty is using pronouns now. If that's a negative, which it seems to be according to you, then whose fault is that? Is that the Activision leftovers or the Microsoft and xbox influence?

Where did you get that idea? I've posted to the contrary a dozen times. I guess you're not interested in checking your assumptions, just putting people in simple-minded boxes. And I have no idea what your second statement has to do with either what I said or this thread.

Maybe start over, excise the dumb assumptions about what I think, and try to make your point cogently.

p.s. I like your avatar, though. Just finished watching the series again. Paulie was a great character.

 

[AJUMP23]

Xbox has had a better first party year than Sony.

 

[SmokedMeat]

What output?

 

[midnightAI]

Somehow Ronin and Stellar Blade are first party games now. No idea why but try not to make sense out of it

They are, its not difficult.

As far as Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft are concerned..... depending on the contract, if they pay for the development of the game, and publish it, then it is a first party game made by a third party developer. The studio itself is not 1st party, its third party. However, a third party developer may sign a contract with a publisher to become a 2nd party developer for a set duration, this means that the developer makes games solely for the publisher for that time (Shift Up are a second party developer, Insomniac were also for a period, once that period was up they were free to develop for MS and later were bought by Sony to become first party)

People here may have their own opinions on what is or isn't a first party game, but its the publisher who decides what is or isn't.

 

[graywolf323]

Horizon and God of War are PS4 games. PS4 had GT6 at this point. It had Uncharted 4, Bloodborne, Infamous Second Son and The Last Guardian and many others. I don't think it's close. Naughty Dog's actual followup to Last of Us pt 2 isn't even announced.

no it didn’t, GT6 was a PS3 release, and that played a part in the whole “PS4 has no games” narrative because it released on PS3 AFTER the PS4’s launch

it’s similar to how as I pointed out would this narrative have taken hold for PS5 if they had just released Tsushima and TLOU 2 as PS5 launch games instead of releasing them on PS4 a few months prior?

edit: also that’s not even taking into consideration how PS4 did not have backwards compatibility but the PS5 does

 

[kyussman]

I've been thinking of replaying Wolfenstein The New Order/The Old Blood on my old ass PS4........nothing PlayStation has done this gen has excited me in the slightest.I was watching someone play that Indiana Jones game and it made me want to replay the Uncharted games again,lol.

 

[Three]

Somehow Ronin and Stellar Blade are first party games now. No idea why but try not to make sense out of it

More like somehow they're not now.

Like saying Gears of war wasn't, or Forza Horizon wasn't. We shouldn't have counted those as xbox games because they weren't first party!

This phenomenon is new because MS went on a shopping spree so now numbnuts are trying hard to push a narrative to categorise stuff so that they're not counted anymore.

 

[BattleScar]

On the one hand people want a dozen AAAA games with the production values of TLOU2 or Ghosts every year, because AAA or AA or even A or B titles and third parties don't count for some reason.
On the other hand, people are complaining that development times are too long and development budgets are too large.

You can't have it all I'm afraid.
There is the ever present triangular trade off. Time, Scope, Money. You can only have 2 of the three be optimal.
You want things to have impressive scope and production values, but not cost a lot of money? I'm sorry but its gonna take a long time (and will eventually end up taking a lot of money anyway)
You want things to have impressive scope and production values, but not take a lot of time? I'm sorry but its gonna cost a lot of money (and will eventually end up taking a lot of time anyway)
You want things to not cost a lot of money and not take a long time? Well, then it won't have impressive scope and production values.

Something has to give.

 

[Topher]

Why is it always whataboutism with Sony guys

 

[Bojji]

Worst gen ever in terms of software from Sony.

At the same time they have their best hardware ever (it may be ugly but it's silent compared to launch PS3 and PS4).

Main reasons for me for owning any console are exclusive games and physical version of (good looking and performing, or japanese jrpgs...) third party games. So first reason is not very strong with PS5 (plus most games end up on pc)...

 

[damidu]

ms is sony 3rd party now. sorry rats you are late for proxy list wars. lol
i know it hurts

 

[ArtHands]

They are, its not difficult.

As far as Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft are concerned..... depending on the contract, if they pay for the development of the game, and publish it, then it is a first party game made by a third party developer. The studio itself is not 1st party, its third party. However, a third party developer may sign a contract with a publisher to become a 2nd party developer for a set duration, this means that the developer makes games solely for the publisher for that time (Shift Up are a second party developer, Insomniac were also for a period, once that period was up they were free to develop for MS and later were bought by Sony to become first party)

People here may have their own opinions on what is or isn't a first party game, but its the publisher who decides what is or isn't.

This is exactly why I tell him don't try to make sense out of it.

 

[Deerock71]

PS2 Sony launch title: Fantavision. What a banger that was. Historically speaking, the PS1 and PS2 didn't have any Sony first party to speak of. Ape Escape?

 

[FrankWza]

Where did you get that idea? I've posted to the contrary a dozen times. I guess you're not interested in checking your assumptions, just putting people in simple-minded boxes. And I have no idea what your second statement has to do with either what I said or this thread.

Maybe start over, excise the dumb assumptions about what I think, and try to make your point cogently.

p.s. I like your avatar, though. Just finished watching the series again. Paulie was a great character.

 

[Topher]

Worst gen ever in terms of software from Sony.

Gen isn't over yet. It was around this time last gen that Sony started pumping out a slew of games starting with Bloodborne and then Horizon, God of War, Spider-man and others. My hope is that we see that happen again. The problem is we still don't know the roadmap ahead. I've been complaining about that for a while.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Yup, pretty much the same narrative from Sony doomers. Yet if one take a look at this year TGA contenders for GOTY. The only platform where you can play every single game is a PS5.

/thread

 

[midnightAI]

This is exactly why I tell him don't try to make sense out of it.

I could just boil it down to a single tweet if you like:

 

[SkylineRKR]

no it didn’t, GT6 was a PS3 release, and that played a part in the whole “PS4 has no games” narrative because it released on PS3 AFTER the PS4’s launch

it’s similar to how as I pointed out would this narrative have taken hold for PS5 if they had just released Tsushima and TLOU 2 as PS5 launch games instead of releasing them on PS4 a few months prior?

edit: also that’s not even taking into consideration how PS4 did not have backwards compatibility but the PS5 does

It was a strange time, everyone was expecting the legacy consoles and its software sales to have some legs after the new systems launched. But they died overnight. So, crossgen was axed rather quickly. PS3 and esp. 360 software barely sold when PS4 was out. I think Sony would've wanted GT6 to be a cross gen release in hindsight. Its the only GT I never played.

 

[Humdinger]

If I remember that scene right, Paulie is in Italy, and he's saying Bon giorno to some native Italians at another table. The native Italians snub him (probably thinking of him as a tourist). Paulie gets this angry scowl on his face and mutters "cocksuckers" under his breath. lol

 

[FrankWza]

Gen isn't over yet. It was around this time last gen that Sony started pumping out a slew of games starting with Bloodborne and then Horizon, God of War, Spider-man and others. My hope is that we see that happen again. The problem is we still don't know the roadmap ahead. I've been complaining about that for a while.

And PS3 gen.

If I remember that scene right, Paulie is in Italy, and he's saying Bon giorno to some native Italians at another table. The native Italians snub him (probably thinking of him as a tourist). Paulie gets this angry scowl on his face and mutters "cocksuckers" under his breath. lol

Yup. One of them is David Chase.

 

[UltimaKilo]

First generation that I passed on a PlayStation. First generation that I feel I’m not missing out on much

Same! I did not want to invest the money. There’s been very little to play. With PC, Switch and a cheap ass Series S, I have had enough.

I’m hopeful that Sony will start to give me a reason to pick up a PS5 Pro next year and stop sitting on a shit ton of amazing IPs like Killzone, SOCOM, Legend of Dragoon, Mark of Kri, Resistance, Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, etc.

 

[Jormatar]

They started strong but last 2-3 years have been lackluster. That being said gotta keep in mind their top studios haven't even announced their next projects, so they could finish strong in a similar way than in PS3/PS4 era which gave them massive momentum to next generation.

 

[Skifi28]

Pretty sure Stellar Blade and Rise of Ronin are first party. Add helldivers and astro and i think you have a very solid year without the timed ones from third party.

 

[midnightAI]

Gen isn't over yet. It was around this time last gen that Sony started pumping out a slew of games starting with Bloodborne and then Horizon, God of War, Spider-man and others. My hope is that we see that happen again. The problem is we still don't know the roadmap ahead. I've been complaining about that for a while.

I personally dont mind that at all, I quite like the current mentality of announcing a game roughly 6 months before release (or max 12 months), it means while we are waiting on news, we arent waiting around so long for the game to actually be released (and in the case of some games, completely forgotten about).

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

2 Gaas failures vs the good SP game Returnal was far too tempting I assume. Those are first party games still though from non first party studios including Ronin and Stellar Blade.

What's weird is that there are far more bigger new IPs on PS than there are on others when it boils down to it. Regardless of how you try and categorise them. PS is renown for creating new IPs rather than having a studio rehashing the same IP for decades.

Recently we got DS, GoT, Stellar Blade, Bloodborne, Rise of the Ronin, Returnal, even Dreams. All new IP. All without buying up the studio to "make it count" or not. As if that's what people should care about.

You want to boil it down to console warz nonsense because you’re a warrior. If I was trying to engage in any of that then I wouldn’t have included Destruction at all because 2 is worse than 3. It’s math. Your morning education continues.

My post was about this generation. You are listing games that date back to PS3. Yes, I agree, Sony was great during PS3. Because they needed to be. Now they don’t, and their output is, as I put, pathetic as a result.

You can play the console warz game all day, I just want good games to play and new IP’s to experience. Like I already said, I loved Ronin, got the plat, but that game isn’t from Sony, just like Stalker 2 isn’t from Microsoft. It’s not hard.