Most common reason kids get bullied? Weight (NYT)

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First, both of your studies are just abstracts. Do you have access to the full articles? Have you read their methods to see what their results actually were?

Anyone worth their salt in research knows the abstract isn't the full picture and makes your paper seem a lot more appealing than it is.

If you can't access more than the abstract you REALLY shouldn't be citing them as sources to back you up. This doesn't even get into how unreliable most long term studies are. They're not only extremly difficult to do, but they tend to come up with soupy statistics so researchers twist things to at least sound interesting.

I've rented the first one, but the second one I didn't because I read the actual book about the study it is based on. The one I linked to you can read on Amazon. All you would need to do is borrow the book I linked you from a library or purchase it and you'd get the same idea. It's widely considered one of the better studies on the subject.

Informed partially is true. But you are exposed to more as you get older and your behavior is shaped by those things. Behavior isn't simple, it's incredibly complex. GAF heavily leans liberal/anti religion. You think everyone, or hell, even 51% were raised that way? And those are some deep core values. That should be your first clue at how being raised really doesn't have that big of an influence in the long run.

Bad example Sean. What you did was participate in selection bias. When we actually look at the statistics regarding adults and their parents religion, it's remarkable the correlation. Nearly 60% of adults share the same faith as their parents. In statistical terms, that's an insane correlation.

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On the graph above, you can read the study involved here.

Because I doubt you'll read it (it costs money, don't blame you), the summary states its conclusions well:

"What they found may come as a surprise: despite enormous changes in American society, a child is actually more likely to remain within the fold than leave it, and even the nonreligious are more likely to follow their parents' example than to rebel. And while outside forces do play a role, the crucial factor in whether a child keeps the faith is the presence of a strong fatherly bond. Mixing unprecedented data with gripping interviews and sharp analysis, Families and Faith offers a fascinating exploration of what allows a family to pass on its most deeply-held tradition--its faith."

Everyone who grows up into an adult will be impacted by different elements of their childhood rearing. Not all of them will take on the same precise learned aspects, and some will even take on few indeed. But the statistical curve shows an undeniable trend in one simple direction: that the way you're raised as a child has a massive impact on how you will be as an adult. As with the rest of this discussion, it's more complicated than that - there are other factors that play a huge role in how you are as an adult as well. But it is what it is. Nurture plays a vital role as well.

And just to emphasize... we already have the statistics for obesity in regards to this. 80% of children who had obese parents will be obese themselves throughout their lives.
 
I've rented the first one, but the second one I didn't because I read the actual book about the study it is based on. The one I linked to you can read on Amazon. All you would need to do is borrow the book I linked you from a library or purchase it and you'd get the same idea. It's widely considered one of the better studies on the subject.



Bad example Sean. What you did was participate in selection bias. When we actually look at the statistics regarding adults and their parents religion, it's remarkable the correlation. Nearly 60% of adults share the same faith as their parents. In statistical terms, that's an insane correlation.

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On the graph above, you can read the study involved here.

Because I doubt you'll read it (it costs money, don't blame you), the summary states its conclusions well:



Everyone who grows up into an adult will be impacted by different elements of their childhood rearing. Not all of them will take on the same precise learned aspects, and some will even take on few indeed. But the statistical curve shows an undeniable trend in one simple direction: that the way you're raised as a child has a massive impact on how you will be as an adult. As with the rest of this discussion, it's more complicated than that - there are other factors that play a huge role in how you are as an adult as well. But it is what it is. Nurture plays a vital role as well.

And just to emphasize... we already have the statistics for obesity in regards to this. 80% of children who had obese parents will be obese themselves throughout their lives.

I have access to a number of journals and might be able to pull those up myself.

You said the correlation was remarkable. Was it statistically significant? What confounding variables were factored out?

You also realize your own 80% obesity claim is selection bias as well.

If we're going with religion has a strong carry over you can't then just generalize that to obesity.

Here, I'll throw you a curve. The rate is 80% because it's acceptable to be fat in society. Has nothing to do with how you're raised.
 
I disagree with you. A lot of people are shockingly ignorant about fundamental health facts. Some of them are poorly educated or learning disabled (very eye-opening video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGtTZ_vxjyA), some have been led astray by charlatans and/or their peers, and some are delusional. "It's my genetics," "I have a slower metabolism," "I have the thyroid," "you can eat whatever you want on this diet and lose weight," "you are fat because you are full of toxins; once you detox, you body will shed the fat," "I have the sugars, which caused me to get fat," "you should follow intuitive eating; if you want to eat it, your body needs it" and so on.

Yep.

I don't why people think people are educated on basic weight loss principles. The effects likely show the opposite.
 
Yep.

I don't why people think people are educated on basic weight loss principles. The effects likely show the opposite.
My wife is a notorious calorie counter yet I had to spend a half hour in a supermarket explaining macronutrient profiles and running through comparisons of what appears healthy but is actually candy bar adjace.

The ignorance is wide and deep.
 
I have access to a number of journals and might be able to pull those up myself.

You said the correlation was remarkable. Was it statistically significant? What confounding variables were factored out?

You also realize your own 80% obesity claim is selection bias as well.

If we're going with religion has a strong carry over you can't then just generalize that to obesity.

Here, I'll throw you a curve. The rate is 80% because it's acceptable to be fat in society. Has nothing to do with how you're raised.

Not sure if you're trying to make a point here but if that were true, then fat kids wouldn't be bullied, right?
 
Also Ami, to be clear, some people will be influenced by their early life style long term. Let's not get further from my original point: as you grow older you're exposed to more environmental influences that have an effect on behavior. It would do a disservice to everyone by dumbing it down to one factor (how you're raised)
 
Here, I'll throw you a curve. The rate is 80% because it's acceptable to be fat in society. Has nothing to do with how you're raised.

This is just random shit trying to stick to a wall and you have nothing at all to support this. It's not a curve so much as pulling a magical bean out of thin air. I cannot really respond to it because I don't even know where you derived this conclusion.

Society has made it a object lesson to shame fat people. In every movie and TV show, standards of beauty are ridiculously skewed, and fat people are consistently marginalized. On magazine covers, absurd standards of beauty are showcased to the point where some people even end up getting eating disorders because of it. As this article says, being fat is the number one reason people are made fun of in school. As any fat person knows, when you walk out in public you are instantly scrutinized, hear awful comments under people's breath and sometimes even have insults hurled directly at your face.

Being fat is certainly not acceptable in our society. That's distinct from a society which makes it easier to be fat than to be skinny, by making fatty foods on average cheaper than healthier alternatives and things like fast food restaurants extremely cheap compared to healthier alternatives. And we know for certain the correlation is between parents and kids, not society and kids. And here's how:

When both parents are overweight, about 80% of their children will be obese. When one parent is obese, this incidence decreases to 40%; and when both parents are lean, obesity prevalence drops to approximately 14%. There is more than a 75% chance that children aged 3−10 will be overweight if both parents were obese. This drops to a 25−50% chance with just one obese parent.

If society were the factor, your likelihood of being obese would not drop by 40% when one of your parents is lean. Nor would it drop down to 14% when both parents are lean. You did not think this one through, because now you're at the stage of trying to affirm your confirmation bias.
 
So the majority of overweight (I'm not talking morbidly obese here. Just overweight) adults go through life getting targeted and harassed about their weight ?

Body shaming is everywhere in American culture, and yes your average overweight person can end up the butt of a "good natured" fat joke easily. Its funny cause he's fat, right?
 
This is just random shit trying to stick to a wall and you have nothing at all to support this. It's not a curve so much as pulling a magical bean out of thin air. I cannot really respond to it because I don't even know where you derived this conclusion.

Society has made it a object lesson to shame fat people. In every movie and TV show, standards of beauty are ridiculously skewed, and fat people are consistently marginalized. On magazine covers, absurd standards of beauty are showcased to the point where some people even end up getting eating disorders because of it. As this article says, being fat is the number one reason people are made fun of in school. As any fat person knows, when you walk out in public you are instantly scrutinized, hear awful comments under people's breath and sometimes even have insults hurled directly at your face.

Being fat is certainly not acceptable in our society. That's distinct from a society which makes it easier to be fat than to be skinny, by making fatty foods on average cheaper than healthier alternatives and things like fast food restaurants extremely cheap compared to healthier alternatives. And we know for certain the correlation is between parents and kids, not society and kids. And here's how:



If society were the factor, your likelihood of being obese would not drop by 40% when one of your parents is lean. Nor would it drop down to 14% when both parents are lean. You did not think this one through, because now you're at the stage of trying to affirm your confirmation bias.

You're really stuck on selection/confirmation bias. its no magic bean, it's a confounding variable. Research doesn't exsist in this vacuum you're perseverating on. It's meant to look at possibilities and trends but keep an open idea that that something else caused the results. Like I mentioned. The chart you cited, was it technically statistically significant? Or is it just "woah that's a big number!"

So, people remaining fat because they're around a lot of fat people isn't a bean, it's an actual confounding variable that should then be researched. So should food adiction. So should food advertising. So on and so forth.

But you want to keep getting away from my original point which simply was: the amount of influence you receive as an adult from your surroundings is much bigger than when you're a child.

By arguing away from my point, you don't strengthen your own.
 
With the rise in obesity among many countries I find it odd that weight is a core point of bullying when you've got a good majority of kids being large at school. I would have thought the main reason for bullying was the social circles but I may be out of touch with what's the norm at schools now.
 
Body shaming is everywhere in American culture, and yes your average overweight person can end up the butt of a "good natured" fat joke easily. Its funny cause he's fat, right?

I don't live in America so I have no idea about what I'm talking about

but aren't like two thirds of people there overweight or obese? Is there really that much harassment of fat people when they are the majority of the population?
 
This is just random shit trying to stick to a wall and you have nothing at all to support this. It's not a curve so much as pulling a magical bean out of thin air. I cannot really respond to it because I don't even know where you derived this conclusion.

Society has made it a object lesson to shame fat people. In every movie and TV show, standards of beauty are ridiculously skewed, and fat people are consistently marginalized. On magazine covers, absurd standards of beauty are showcased to the point where some people even end up getting eating disorders because of it. As this article says, being fat is the number one reason people are made fun of in school. As any fat person knows, when you walk out in public you are instantly scrutinized, hear awful comments under people's breath and sometimes even have insults hurled directly at your face.

Being fat is certainly not acceptable in our society. That's distinct from a society which makes it easier to be fat than to be skinny, by making fatty foods on average cheaper than healthier alternatives and things like fast food restaurants extremely cheap compared to healthier alternatives. And we know for certain the correlation is between parents and kids, not society and kids. And here's how:



If society were the factor, your likelihood of being obese would not drop by 40% when one of your parents is lean. Nor would it drop down to 14% when both parents are lean. You did not think this one through, because now you're at the stage of trying to affirm your confirmation bias.

Being fat is more than acceptable in the US, if it wasnt why the hell would so many be fat? Theres ton(n)s of fat, or as they call it plus sized, models and they're being hailed for being so brave and beatiful.
But, fat people themselves would rather go for the skinny person than a fat one like themselves because thats the biological beauty standard. Men, no matter what shape would rather fuck a skinny person than a fat person. Same with women. Thats why you dont have fat female strippers or why the cast of Magic Mike isnt fat. Same with porn (altough there are BBW videos that cater to the fat women fetish and feeder fetish)
 
What are you talking about? Kids dont drive around, they dont need a car to get to somewhere where they can play and be active. Having a car isnt an excuse to be fat

Kids used to be able to play on the streets because streets were safer for them to do so. Ride their bicycles, run around with their friends and walk alone. Now that is not possible because most of our streets are designed around driving, no one walks anymore and people will call Social Services if you let your kids walk by themselves.

I really think our environment plays a big role that no one is really looking at, and not just limited to kids being able to play on the streets. Now we have to think about exercising or going to the gym and make into yet another compartmentalized aspect of our lives. Going to the gym is an event when before, we walked and didn't think of these activities as 'sports'. They just are because our environments facilitated it seamlessly.
 
Being fat is more than acceptable in the US, if it wasnt why the hell would so many be fat? Theres ton(n)s of fat, or as they call it plus sized, models and they're being hailed for being so brave and beatiful.
But, fat people themselves would rather go for the skinny person than a fat one like themselves because thats the biological beauty standard. Men, no matter what shape would rather fuck a skinny person than a fat person. Same with women. Thats why you dont have fat female strippers or why the cast of Magic Mike isnt fat. Same with porn (altough there are BBW videos that cater to the fat women fetish and feeder fetish)

Okay now define acceptable. Are tomatoes thrown at them as they walk down the street? No. Do assholes look down on them and make snap judgments? Yes. Are they bullied in school? Obviously since that's the topic. Are they made fun of behind their back? Yes. Hell this thread is proof of how much judging goes on.
 
Being fat is more than acceptable in the US, if it wasnt why the hell would so many be fat? Theres ton(n)s of fat, or as they call it plus sized, models and they're being hailed for being so brave and beatiful.

There are plus sized models because there are many, many fat people who require clothes. Or would you suggest we ban plus sized models because fat people shouldn't have access to clothes that make them feel good about themselves? But the debate that always comes up in the media exists precisely because society doesn't accept fat person. A fat person being a successful model is considered outrageous, a taboo, outside the norm. That's why it makes news. Usually the conversation starts when a fat model is shamed, and that model then defends herself and says she is not beholden to their standards of beauty, and then two sides form around the idea of her being brave for not letting others take her down (she is, this is distinct from her thinking it's healthy to be fat. She absolutely is brave for not letting herself feel bad when people fling insults about her weight) and another side that thinks it's sick that a fat person is ever allowed to be elevated for any reason at all.

Being fat is not accepted in society. For instance:

Fifty-two percent of people who fell into the "obese" or "morbidly obese" categories believe they have been discriminated against when applying for a job or promotion. About two-fifths said they have been socially shunned, and 36 percent felt they've been discriminated against when being seated in theaters or restaurants.

Much of this discrimination may still be socially acceptable: According to the poll, a majority of people (61 percent) do not consider negative remarks about a person's weight to be offensive.

But yeah, sure, if you view things in such simplistic terms that "a fat person being called brave means society accepts fat people", you might draw your conclusions.

But, fat people themselves would rather go for the skinny person than a fat one like themselves because thats the biological beauty standard. Men, no matter what shape would rather fuck a skinny person than a fat person. Same with women. Thats why you dont have fat female strippers or why the cast of Magic Mike isnt fat.

Wrong. There is no set "biological beauty standard."

The standard of beauty that is prevalent at any given moment changes drastically based on time you are asking the question and culture involved. In Mauritania, for example, they literally have fat farms to make women obese since that is considered a sign of wealth and beauty. In Ghana, modeling shows routinely feature all full figured/thick/fat women because that is considered the appealing characteristic. During earlier history, fuller figured women were considered attractive in many countries including America because it was thought to be a sign of fertility and ability to rear a healthy child.
 
Kids used to be able to play on the streets because streets were safer for them to do so. Ride their bicycles, run around with their friends and walk alone. Now that is not possible because most of our streets are designed around driving, no one walks anymore and people will call Social Services if you let your kids walk by themselves.

When did kids play in the middle of the damn road? Saying its not possible to run around with friends or ride the bike is fucking bullshit. The calling Social Services I've never heard of.
 
When did kids play in the middle of the damn road? Saying its not possible to run around with friends or ride the bike is fucking bullshit. The calling Social Services I've never heard of.

Before cars took over most of the streets in America, the streets were littered by commerce, activities and people. Most kids played on the streets then. I know I did when I was growing up back in the Philippines. We didn't have a playground or a park. The streets where were we played and hung out.
 
I was/am a fat kid at school, but I never got bullied for it by people who could take a punch, so I can't really count myself in on this because it was never an issue for me. I would say that as I'm older, its become more of an internal thing for me than something people say about me.

I don't view this move against shaming fatter people as a good thing, though. It's not healthy at all, and we should be promoting healthier lifestyles and body shapes in society rather than accepting things which aren't healthy, providing it isn't psychologically screwing up the person receiving it, or directed at people who aren't dangerously overweight.

I guess I just find it weird that something I keep being told I would have been bullied for is now becoming accepted by people.

Edit: Just wish to point out I don't support bullying of anyone for any reason.
 
Wrong. There is no set "biological beauty standard."

The standard of beauty that is prevalent at any given moment changes drastically based on time you are asking the question and culture involved. In Mauritania, for example, they literally have fat farms to make women obese since that is considered a sign of wealth and beauty. In Ghana, modeling shows routinely feature all full figured/thick/fat women because that is considered the appealing characteristic. During earlier history, fuller figured women were considered attractive in many countries including America because it was thought to be a sign of fertility and ability to rear a healthy child.

Sorry, wasnt being specific enough. What I meant is that people generally seek features of a skinny woman, such as visible jawbone and a small waist to hip ratio. One feature that males find attractive is a wide hip with smaller waist. This means that a women has better child-bearing hips with is a feature men seek with or without knowing it. Also, fat people used to be seen on as freaks in America.

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Also, the reason some cultures consider fat women attractive is because being fat is a sign of wealth. Only people with an abundance of wealth can afford to be fat, and it is the wealth that is attractive
 
Sorry, wasnt being specific enough. What I meant is that people generally seek features of a skinny woman, such as visible jawbone and a small waist to hip ratio. One feature that males find attractive is a wide hip with smaller waist. This means that a women has better child-bearing hips with is a feature men seek with or without knowing it.

Also, the reason some cultures consider fat women attractive is because being fat is a sign of wealth. Only people with an abundance of wealth can afford to be fat, and it is the wealth that is attractive

So what you're saying is there is no biological standard of beauty? Gotcha >:)
 
As a kid, you eat what your parents feed you as wl as what's available at the school cafeteria. Lets not pretend that its entirely their fault.

Sure, but if the parents care enough to to complain about bullying because of weight, you think they'd be engaged enough in their child's welfare to adjust their diet or help them out?

Yes in some cases that might be really difficult, but sometimes parents just like to blame others rather than look inwards,
 
Well. This is what I'm making tonight.



If fried food is so important to you, have a portion of it sensibly 2-3 times a week to start and slowly reduce it over time or find replacements like the above meal

I looked this up. It does look good and I'll try to make it. Anything with Panko is good. But it's 273cals per serving for 4 servings. Half of those 4 I'll probably eat myself. Hence where my problem comes in. I have a smaller stomach from reducing sizes in general but I still want large quantities. Any tips?

Also, anyone who says that no one wants fat people, A, I'll reference you to biggercity.com which is all big boys and the boys who love them, and is quite the popular site and B, my husband would like a word with you. Actually, I think half my facebook feed would like a word with you - they're mostly bears or bear-lovers.

Also, the hairy chubby gay dude porn industry is making bank. I think bearish (although also bearish in shape guys) porn is more popular than twink porn anymore.

When did kids play in the middle of the damn road? Saying its not possible to run around with friends or ride the bike is fucking bullshit. The calling Social Services I've never heard of.

Look up the free range kid movement.
 
Sorry, wasnt being specific enough. What I meant is that people generally seek features of a skinny woman, such as visible jawbone and a small waist to hip ratio. One feature that males find attractive is a wide hip with smaller waist. This means that a women has better child-bearing hips with is a feature men seek with or without knowing it.

Also, the reason some cultures consider fat women attractive is because being fat is a sign of wealth. Only people with an abundance of wealth can afford to be fat, and it is the wealth that is attractive

Now you just completely contradicted yourself. lol
 
I looked this up. It does look good and I'll try to make it. Anything with Panko is good. But it's 273cals per serving for 4 servings. Half of those 4 I'll probably eat myself. Hence where my problem comes in. I have a smaller stomach from reducing sizes in general but I still want large quantities. Any tips?

Also, anyone who says that no one wants fat people, A, I'll reference you to biggercity.com which is all big boys and the boys who love them, and is quite the popular site and B, my husband would like a word with you. Actually, I think half my facebook feed would like a word with you - they're mostly bears or bear-lovers.

Also, the hairy chubby gay dude porn industry is making bank. I think bearish (although also bearish in shape guys) porn is more popular than twink porn anymore.

Balance it out. I doubt Sean is just eating that. There's probably some carb and veggies to go with it.
 
I don't live in America so I have no idea about what I'm talking about

but aren't like two thirds of people there overweight or obese? Is there really that much harassment of fat people when they are the majority of the population?

I think Amir0x answered this better than I could. Lets also keep mind that the Health and Fitness industry in this country is a multi-billion dollar business. You don't get new people in the door appealing to logical heath reasons, to exercise, you appeal to their awareness of the social stigma they fall into. Nobody is paying a monthly membership to escape from a societal norm. Its also how scheisters make their money from shady pills and other questionable weight loss techniques. If it's accepted, then nobody cares and there is no money to be made.
 
That's right victims, it's your fault.

Well, when you're an adult or have the ability to make you're own choices, yea.

But when you're a kid you're beholdent to the food your parents give you and the quality of it, as well as the quality of parents to make sure their children don't become overweight to start.

So that's a pretty messed statement to blame kids.
 
So what you're saying is there is no biological standard of beauty? Gotcha >:)

I just said the features of a skinny person is deemed as healthy and as better fit for child bearing. Humans having only been skinny for over 2 million years has something to do with it
 
Weird. I was just saying to the missus last night that this was one reason I was really glad our daughter appears to have my lightning metabolism.

Yeah, kids are savage to other kids for any slight flaw whatsoever. Fat kids, ginger kids, and lanky kids all get it rough.

I never got that ginger thing. At least I can't remember a single red haired kid getting bullied in my 13 years of school education in Germany.
 
I just said the features of a skinny person is deemed as healthy and as better fit for child bearing. Humans having only been skinny for over 2 million years has something to do with it

Or maybe not.

Consider the apparently received wisdom that we prefer symmetrical, evenly balanced features. The scientific explanation seems sound: disease and stress during childhood could subtly influence the body’s development, creating an “instability” that leads one side to grow slightly differently to the other. A slightly lopsided face should therefore be a sign of physical weakness – making them less appealing as the parent of your children.

The problem had been that many of the previous experiments had asked just a small number of subjects to rate different faces – making it easier for fluke results to jump out. When Stefan Van Dongen at the University of Antwerp conflated the results in a large meta-analysis, he found the effect almost disappears when you consider enough people. In fact, facial symmetry may not even say much about your health. Although previous research had found some evidence for the idea, a 2014 study took 3D scans of nearly 5,000 teenagers and quizzed them about their medical history. It found that those with the most symmetrical features had been no fitter than the others.

Biologists had also hypothesised that we prefer faces that epitomise the ‘manliness’ or ‘femininity’ of their gender: the broad jaw of Jon Hamm for men; the delicate features of Miranda Kerr for women. Again, the rationale was sound: bone structure reflects the sex hormones pumping through our blood, so they could advertise a woman’s fertility and traits like dominance in men – important considerations when picking a partner.

Yet most studies had only examined Western societies. When Isabel Scott at Brunel University, and colleagues, decided to cast their net wider – across communities in Asia, Africa, South America and Russia, they found a variety of preferences. In fact, it was only in the most urbanised regions that they found the strong attraction to more masculine men and more feminine women; in the smaller, more remote communities, many women actually preferred the more “feminine” looking men.

The same goes for body shape. In the West, people may prize longer legs in women while preferring less “lanky men”, yet the nomadic Himba society in Namibia have the opposite tastes. Even Western preferences seem to have shifted over time; Botticelli’s Venus – once the Western ideal of beauty – has shorter legs, compared to her body, than the desired shape for models today.) And although an hourglass figure in women, and men with broad, V-shaped shoulders tapering at the waist, are admired in most places, the ideal extremes depend on the society.

Perhaps our choice of mate needs to be flexible, so we can choose the best partner based on our current circumstances. “For example, in cultures where starvation is a real risk, preferences for heavier weight in partners is expected because those individuals are most resistant to food shortages,” says Anthony Little at the University of Stirling – and indeed, this does seem to be the case. By the same token, someone who faces higher risk of illness will be more primed to value the signs that signal good health – like facial symmetry – compared to those who are relatively safe from infection. When dominance is valued, meanwhile, women may also prefer men with squarer chins – and higher testosterone. “We’ve found, for example, that exposure to cues of male-male competition, such as seeing men fight each other, increases women’s preferences for masculine male faces,” he says.

So although our concepts of beauty may seem ethereal and timeless, they may just be the direct product of our immediate circumstances. It’s also worth noting the effect of conformity: study after study has found that if you hear or see that someone else is attracted to someone, you are more likely to fancy them yourself. In this way, tastes for certain types of people could spread throughout a population, shaping our norms for what we consider beautiful.

There is no set standard of beauty. It varies entirely depending on context of culture you are brought up in, needs for survival at any given moment and factors like that. The closest thing that has even come close to being found consistently (and still it's not even close to "all the time") is a desirable Waist-to-Hip ratio. But even that doesn't necessarily imply leanness.
 
I never got that ginger thing. At least I can't remember a single red haired kid getting bullied in my 13 years of school education in Germany.
Red head kids have the stereotype of being pale, sickly and frail in the US. easy targets for assholes.
 
Or maybe not.



There is no set standard of beauty. It varies entirely depending on context of culture you are brought up in, needs for survival at any given moment and factors like that. The closest thing that has even come close to being found consistently (and still it's not even close to "all the time") is a desirable Waist-to-Hip ratio. But even that doesn't necessarily imply leanness.

Or maybe not not http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f01/web1/ekanayake.html
 
Well, when you're an adult or have the ability to make you're own choices, yea.

But when you're a kid you're beholdent to the food your parents give you and the quality of it, as well as the quality of parents to make sure their children don't become overweight to start.

So that's a pretty messed statement to blame kids.

This.

Kids getting bullied is bullshit no matter what. And kids getting bulled for being over-weight is also bullshit.

If you're a kid and you are fat, it's most definitely not your fault - you're at the mercy of whatever your parents are feeding you, and whatever you're eating at school. You don't know any better, to make decisions to change your weight, or to exercise etc. It's out of your control.

When you're an adult - totally different story. There are a multitude of lifestyle choices that you can make. If you're getting made fun of for being fat, and you're an adult - yeah it's mean, I'm not condoning it. But you can change it, you can stop being fat.
 
So "your fault" for getting fat, or "your fault" for getting treated like shit by others? Based on personal choices, right?

Man, that is a such a loaded question. Obviously it's not your fault for getting treated by shit like others, but it's a tough sell to expect a lot of sympathy when you can easily change it. Being over-weight doesn't effect just YOU either, your personal choices effect the general population to when it comes to things like the health system.

While it may be seflish of others to body shame fat people, if you can CHOOSE to be a normal weight, why on Earth would you choose to be over-weight when it is effecting others? Is that not in itself selfish?
 
Just did, holy shit. I was a free range kid all my life. Fu*cking best thing ever, especially during the summer

This is why the gent up above said you'll get social services called if you let your kid out of your sight. He's not joking. I was like you I lived near woods and I searched and went through every part of them. I knew the entire place. Now if someone were to let their kids do that they'd get the cops called.

It really is a "thing" now.
 

From the study:

However it could be argued that the very concept of using the relative waist to hip ratio of women to assess beauty, as an indicator of better adaptability and fertility might be a consequence of western hegemonic values and ideals internalized by individuals of different backgrounds, cultures and ages. As poet and social critic Katha Pollitt argues, "it's the fantasy life of American men being translated into genetics" (2).A research had been carried out by some evolutionary biologists to test the hypothesis that the male preference for women with low WHR might be a product of dominant western influences and that beauty as an indicator of adaptability might be culturally variable (4).A study of two populations of Matsigenka Indians; an indigenous group of Peru, which comprised of a highly isolated group and a more westernized group of the same ethnic population was used to test this hypothesis (4).The summarized observations revealed that males in the highly isolated group of Matsigenka ranked 'overweight' women with high WHR as more attractive and considered them more healthy and fertile than women with low WHR (4). However, the men of the more westernized group of Matsigenka, regarded low WHR women as more attractive and preferable although overweight and high WHR females were considered healthier and more fertile (4). Child bearing women of both population group was observed to have a high WHR as opposed to post child bearing and childless women who were thinner and had a small waist to hip ratio (4). These observations by themselves do not prove (or disprove) the hypothesis that the male preference for small waist, big hipped women is dependent on cultural variances. However it emphasizes the importance of a more broad and diverse theory of evolution and adaptability, which takes in to account, increased diversity as imperative to evolution rather than a narrow focus on supposedly 'universal' characteristics like small waist to hip ratios as an indicator of female adaptability.

And this is from 2001; the article I sited goes over far more recent research on the matter.
 
So "your fault" for getting fat, or "your fault" for getting treated like shit by others? Based on personal choices, right?

Uhhh, for being fat. Duh. I'm not advocating for people to be dicks to each other.

Not to say there aren't factors that make people fat. Being poor and having a limited source of varitiy of food is a major factor, but you can still choose how often you eat and stay within a range of calories to keep a stable weight, even with shit food.
 
Man, that is a such a loaded question. Obviously it's not your fault for getting treated by shit like others, but it's a tough sell to expect a lot of sympathy when you can easily change it. Being over-weight doesn't effect just YOU either, your personal choices effect the general population to when it comes to things like the health system.

While it may be seflish of others to body shame fat people, if you can CHOOSE to be a normal weight, why on Earth would you choose to be over-weight when it is effecting others? Is that not in itself selfish?

The vast majority of people do not want to be fat. And yet, only 20% of overweight people ever keep the weight off. If it was as simple as purely making the choice not to be fat, then there would be relatively few fat people except in extreme medical cases or when someone had to take certain medications for other health issues. 75% of severe substance abusers end up clean permanently in their life. Only 20% of fat people will ever get lean and stay lean. And yet, most people acknowledge that drug abuse is a disease, and that someone who keeps going back to heroin over and over is not doing so for selfish reasons. Most want to stop but can't. There are a complicated host of reasons for this, from environmental and genetic conditions to the way you were raised.

The argument that you can "easily change it" is nonsense, or else 80% of people would not be unsuccessful since virtually 100% of fat people try multiple times in their lives to lose weight.

People keep repeating the mantra about how easy it is like it's going to make it true. It will never be true. The component parts to losing weight are easy - caloric intake and burning calories with exercise - but how easy it is to be successful on these roads varies dramatically based on the type of genetic, environmental and nurturing dice or lottery you win in your life.
 
I looked this up. It does look good and I'll try to make it. Anything with Panko is good. But it's 273cals per serving for 4 servings. Half of those 4 I'll probably eat myself. Hence where my problem comes in. I have a smaller stomach from reducing sizes in general but I still want large quantities. Any tips?

Also, anyone who says that no one wants fat people, A, I'll reference you to biggercity.com which is all big boys and the boys who love them, and is quite the popular site and B, my husband would like a word with you. Actually, I think half my facebook feed would like a word with you - they're mostly bears or bear-lovers.

Also, the hairy chubby gay dude porn industry is making bank. I think bearish (although also bearish in shape guys) porn is more popular than twink porn anymore.



Look up the free range kid movement.

Eating half is fine! That's what I'm having for dinner. That's only 8 ounces of chicken, and I usually eat a pound a day.

I'm pairing it with some stir fry veggies. Vegetables are a great way to keep hunger at bay.

It's also possible you aren't actually hungry and just bored. A tall glass of water or some black coffee is great for moments like that.
 
I got made fun of for being overweight and guess what, it made me realize I should stop eating so much and plus I started exercising, building confidence and never got buillied again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Man, that is a such a loaded question. Obviously it's not your fault for getting treated by shit like others, but it's a tough sell to expect a lot of sympathy when you can easily change it. Being over-weight doesn't effect just YOU either, your personal choices effect the general population to when it comes to things like the health system.

While it may be seflish of others to body shame fat people, if you can CHOOSE to be a normal weight, why on Earth would you choose to be over-weight when it is effecting others? Is that not in itself selfish?

So if bad shit happens to you, don't expect any sympathy because really it was your fault, your choices, right? And if someone else was adversely affected or it created an additional expense on society, its actually selfish, okay. I just want to know where the goal posts have been moved before I kick. If one of my daughters is raped because of what she decided to wear, I won't give her too much sympathy. And after all her selfish choice resulted in tax payer money spent on a police investigation, lab work, attorneys, judges. She should have worn jeans. Remember, this is YOUR logic, not mine.
 
This.

Kids getting bullied is bullshit no matter what. And kids getting bulled for being over-weight is also bullshit.

If you're a kid and you are fat, it's most definitely not your fault - you're at the mercy of whatever your parents are feeding you, and whatever you're eating at school. You don't know any better, to make decisions to change your weight, or to exercise etc. It's out of your control.

When you're an adult - totally different story. There are a multitude of lifestyle choices that you can make. If you're getting made fun of for being fat, and you're an adult - yeah it's mean, I'm not condoning it. But you can change it, you can stop being fat.

Yeah, you do know there are psychological reasons people eat the way they do? Some use it as an emotional outlet. The same way people use narcotics because of pain or mental stress.

I'm sure you're going to continue to try and make it fit into your simple little world view though.
 
I got made fun of for being overweight and guess what, it made me realize I should stop eating so much and plus I started exercising, building confidence and never got buillied again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"Hey when I was beat by my parents as a child, it made me realize I should stop being bad and behave myself! I turned out OK!"
 
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