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Murder Miners |OT| Halo + Minecraft = Profit?
- Thread starter CyReN
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Yeah they pulled off the Halo 1 mechanics very well. I mean you'd think they'd have ripped the code straight from Halo itself. I'm not trying to tell you not to buy it. I think if you think it's fun, then by all means, you should play it. It's probably the most polished shooter on XBLIG to date anyway.
However, I had tried to keep an open mind on JForce, despite hearing nothing but terrible things from the people in the XBLIG community. I mean when they joined our alpha game, I thanked them for helping us test and was really happy to have fellow developers putting time into our game. To steal our selling point like that, and rush to market so they can be first before us, is just the lowliest thing someone can do. I mean that's some Zynga crap. This just kind of confirmed everything I heard and I've completely lost all respect for them. They aren't good people.
bobs...onGaf
Member
I would be VERY happy with that. I want Halo 1 multiplayer on my Xbox, if Microsoft wont give it to me but another company will that's brilliant. - I imagine that's how a lot of the customers for Murder Miners think. I can understand why you would look down on them for essentially just copying Halo 1, but that's the only reason I purchased the game. I really hope someone at Microsoft is getting greedy and planning to release Halo 1 Multiplayer over XBLA. It would be a much better package than Halo CEA was, it would never happen though.
As for your second paragraph, I totally feel for you man, it sucks that things went down that way.
Neither one are terribly original ideas. There are always clones in a genre and what really matters is the execution.
We are well aware of the idea of cloning a game. Like I said before, if they had cloned our game after it was well established, then I'd have less of a problem with it. I mean you could make an argument that we are cloning Minecraft (which we aren't exactly, but I won't get into that).
The problem is that they played our game before it was available to the public, and only a few hundred people had it, and then stole our entire game idea and just made it so the Halo 1 mechanics were what the FPS part was based off of.
Only a complete jerk/loser steals an idea from someone, especially a fellow small indie game company, before they've actually made it public.
HadesGigas
Member
No offense, but they "stole" your already stolen idea. And there are already plenty other (crap) Minecraft+ shooter games on Xbox indies that came before this, and probably before your beta started too.
Actually, when we began development, there were zero minecraft + shooter games on XBLIG. We did not "steal" the idea from anyone. We were talking in the office about why we didn't care much for Minecraft's open ended gameplay and how cool it would be to be able to blow up the Minecraft levels. We actually started Guncraft because we thought there were zero period. It was only after we started that we discovered Ace of Spades, the only Minecraft + Shooter that existed at the time.
I don't think you really understand why I'm upset at JForce and I don't really want to explain it again -.-
HadesGigas
Member
Stole from Minecraft and CoD. "Unknowingly" stole from Ace of Spades and Blockland. I'm just saying your idea isn't any more original than theirs.
The idea wasn't original in the first place. If they stole your source code, I could see an issue with it. The thing is, an idea isn't really worth much to begin with. I've come up with all sorts of ideas for games, and they are worthless until an actual implementation hits the marketplace. The same is true in your case. The competition beat you to the market. It happens all the time. You just have to hope or ensure that your product is better in execution, or unique enough to make people want to buy it over something else. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I hope your game works out.
Good lord... Everyone, pay attention, please. I realize that games copy other games. I have no problem with that. It's how games evolve.
My problem is that we invited JForce to play our game, in private, with the intention of them helping us out. Instead, they ripped our game idea and rushed it to market just to beat us. That is entirely different than copying a game that has been released, like Fortresscraft did. It's also different from the many other games out there that clone or improve on established ideas. Entirely, utterly, different.
Also, if "Minecraft + CoD" was such an original idea, then why hadn't it really been done before? Both games had been out for a few years. It's just one of those instances of "why didn't I think of that?" Ace of Spades was first, but still pretty unknown at the time, so we missed them in our immediate search.
Now that all the trolls and flamers have shown up with their half thought through responses and are protecting JForce for the sake of being "Devil's Advocate", I'm leaving. I have no intention of getting into a word war with people who clearly don't understand what I'm trying to say or are just opposing me for the sake of opposing me. Plus, works over for me anyway, so I'm off to play Guild Wars 2 =P.
My problem is that we invited JForce to play our game, in private, with the intention of them helping us out. Instead, they ripped our game idea and rushed it to market just to beat us. That is entirely different than copying a game that has been released, like Fortresscraft did. It's also different from the many other games out there that clone or improve on established ideas. Entirely, utterly, different.
Also, if "Minecraft + CoD" was such an original idea, then why hadn't it really been done before? Both games had been out for a few years. It's just one of those instances of "why didn't I think of that?" Ace of Spades was first, but still pretty unknown at the time, so we missed them in our immediate search.
Now that all the trolls and flamers have shown up with their half thought through responses and are protecting JForce for the sake of being "Devil's Advocate", I'm leaving. I have no intention of getting into a word war with people who clearly don't understand what I'm trying to say or are just opposing me for the sake of opposing me. Plus, works over for me anyway, so I'm off to play Guild Wars 2 =P.
StarForge. Look it up, it is like the idea of all these games but it is superior in every way.
I get why you are upset, but it is the wrong place to discuss these things, you should talk to Jforce in private.
Ok, first off, the facts:
We started full-time work (besides school) on this game in October (Jonny actually had the voxel engine going before then). Here is our first blog post referencing the game.
And here's the first pic we posted of the game, Jan 30th.
Name one thing we stole from Guncraft. And don't say we stole the whole concept of a voxel-based FPS. That's plain ridiculous. We played your alpha to check out the competition/see how far along you were. Of course we want to be first to market. That's business. There's nothing wrong with that. And yeah we were open to taking some ideas when we played, but honestly, we didn't take one single thing. We concluded your game wasn't going to be anywhere near as good as Murder Miners.
We started full-time work (besides school) on this game in October (Jonny actually had the voxel engine going before then). Here is our first blog post referencing the game.
And here's the first pic we posted of the game, Jan 30th.
Name one thing we stole from Guncraft. And don't say we stole the whole concept of a voxel-based FPS. That's plain ridiculous. We played your alpha to check out the competition/see how far along you were. Of course we want to be first to market. That's business. There's nothing wrong with that. And yeah we were open to taking some ideas when we played, but honestly, we didn't take one single thing. We concluded your game wasn't going to be anywhere near as good as Murder Miners.
You really should've handled this in private with JForce Games from the start. Coming in here with your first post being "GunCraft > Murder Miners" won't get you much support.
The Henery
Member
No friends in business only associates. Murder Miners is great. Most of the people here
celebrate the game because it features a three shot pistol and a lovely blainer. Honesty, a generic COD gun game with Minecraft elements doesn't interest me in the slightest. It's the Halo aspect that attracts and I'd venture that's true for about 80% of the posters in this thread.
celebrate the game because it features a three shot pistol and a lovely blainer. Honesty, a generic COD gun game with Minecraft elements doesn't interest me in the slightest. It's the Halo aspect that attracts and I'd venture that's true for about 80% of the posters in this thread.
HadesGigas
Member
no intention of getting into a word war, first post is fanboy level drivel, game x is better than game y!11
Reagan's BR
Banned
Translation: Sorry we made something fun.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Damn, thanks for letting me know though. At least it eliminates that off the checklist lol
Pretty much this.
Not to sound like a jerk, but if your staff is bigger and Guncraft will inevitably be more polished and well rounded than MM, how come you guys didn't get it out the gate first?
Hopefully this can be fixed soon ;[
Oh and also, thanks JFizzle for that trick you said about unplugging the ethernet cord or wireless adapter for the 360 when you're loading the game. Saw the indie screen, unplugged that bad boy and BAM! Loaded, signed on and ready to poop on kids whenever I want!
Phaethon0017
Member
Okay, looks cool. I have enough points left in my account so I'll try the demo.
I really think they should've named this Minelo.
I really think they should've named this Minelo
.Reagan's BR
Banned
Joined up! Thank you!
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I can help. Send me an invite.
I got it down but I will host here in a second so you can get the map
bobs...onGaf
Member
Anyone else nab guardian? I wanna grab that map from someone.
Minibar is fantastic. The name is incredibly accurate.
This same thing happened to me when I tried to make Blood Gulch. I realized that the bases were half the size they needed to be and started cursing under my breath.
The Real Napsta
Member
Anyone do Damnation yet? You could probably do some jump pad-fu to replace the teleporter.
Reagan's BR
Banned
Monkey, that looks awesome!
Thanks to Jforce I have: Lockout, Hang 'Em High, Chillout, Complex, Facility, and Guardian. I'll be on tonight to give them to people who don't have them yet.
I'm working on a retooled showdown (one of the default maps) for team and more competitive play.
Thanks to Jforce I have: Lockout, Hang 'Em High, Chillout, Complex, Facility, and Guardian. I'll be on tonight to give them to people who don't have them yet.
I'm working on a retooled showdown (one of the default maps) for team and more competitive play.
CountAntonius
Member
So will this be getting a PC release? Looks right up my alley and I sold my 360 months ago.
Give me a heads up when you're online please, I really want to see Guardian.
Minibar too.
If this game got the following I would play this for a pretty long time.
Add custom options: Weapon starts and disable wall jumping
More blocks: ramps
Edit player height
More weapons: Halo 2 weapon pack!
ELO rank system
Vehicles (would need ramps to go up blocks)
Still love the game though
Add custom options: Weapon starts and disable wall jumping
More blocks: ramps
Edit player height
More weapons: Halo 2 weapon pack!
ELO rank system
Vehicles (would need ramps to go up blocks)
Still love the game though
PrematureQuiche
Member
Got this yesterday after reading this thread! Looks awesome, shall play tonight.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Give us a shout when your on next Monkey!, Would love to try out the map!
Reagan's BR
Banned
I'll be on later today. I'll pm you if you aren't online.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Give me a heads up aswell please, Guardian would be awesome.
I will probably be on at 11, did about a 2 hour safe check on the map for spawn zones, barrier exploits and ECT, everything is 100% good to go now.