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My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic Season 4 |OT| Twilight Princess Returns

Pinkie isn't racist but wasn't she an instigator for race wars not once but twice?
*I have been waiting for this!*

She is though: the Zecora episode is her judging her... along with everyone else. Quite backwards mind you (though later, seems ok with the Zebra.. but still treats Spike like a... hmm, a nice way of saying 'house servant' )

But yes.. she isn't too racist... marshmallow pony is far more.

Didn't she instigate another war?

Hmm, perhaps you are thinking about her fear over Zecora? I sadly cannot recall another incident besides Over a barrel... (unless you are referring to either the stupid Heart's warming shit, OR that nightmare episode where her clones terrorized everyone.)

Trust me, I make it known I don't like her... BUT I cannot recall an incident specifically to which you recall... (though I forget half of season 2 as of now)

**For the subject at hand**

I try not to divulge spoilers as a rule.. until a half day after air. Think that is a bit more time than most, but my own policy.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Season 3's later episodes are forgetable in general.

And then there was that one off movie that needs not mentioning.
 

DrForester

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Synopsis for more episodes have popped up. Looks like no breaks between now and the end of the year at least.

Episode 5: "Flight To The Finish" - December 14
The Cutie Mark Crusaders vie for the honor of carrying the Ponyville flag at the Equestria Games.

Episode 6: "Power Ponies" - December 21
When Spike and the Mane 6 end up as superheroes in a comic book world, the only way to get back home is to defeat the super-villain, The Mane-iac.

Episode 7: "Bats!" - December 28
Vampire Fruit Bats take over Sweet Apple Acres and Applejack and her friends’ efforts to get rid of them take an unexpected and frightening turn.

Flight to the Finish had a bit shown at comicon, and it looks like we'll get an answer as to Scootaloo's flight status. The superhero one could go either way.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Episode 6: "Power Ponies" - December 21
When Spike and the Mane 6 end up as superheroes in a comic book world, the only way to get back home is to defeat the super-villain, The Mane-iac.
Hey, Doremi did this episode! Nobu-poni at work once again.

Episode 7: "Bats!" - December 28
Vampire Fruit Bats take over Sweet Apple Acres and Applejack and her friends’ efforts to get rid of them take an unexpected and frightening turn.
Apple Bloom becomes a bat pony!

This would instantly redeem s3. If you're going to tinker with the cast then you might as well tinker with gusto! lol
 

Tenumi

Banned
The one off movie is amazing. It embodies girl power. :)

*High Fives*

Synopsis for more episodes have popped up. Looks like no breaks between now and the end of the year at least.

Episode 5: "Flight To The Finish" - December 14
The Cutie Mark Crusaders vie for the honor of carrying the Ponyville flag at the Equestria Games.

Episode 6: "Power Ponies" - December 21
When Spike and the Mane 6 end up as superheroes in a comic book world, the only way to get back home is to defeat the super-villain, The Mane-iac.

Episode 7: "Bats!" - December 28
Vampire Fruit Bats take over Sweet Apple Acres and Applejack and her friends’ efforts to get rid of them take an unexpected and frightening turn.

Flight to the Finish had a bit shown at comicon, and it looks like we'll get an answer as to Scootaloo's flight status. The superhero one could go either way.

All sound pretty interesting. I cannot wait for December 21st....
 
Ponyville has a flag? I'm more interested in seeing that than anything. Though it seems the episode won't be centering around Scootaloo's disability after all.

Vampire fruit bats? Do they feed on blood and fruit? Or maybe just fruit juice? I've seen a batpony OC that eats both.
 

DrForester

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Ponyville has a flag? I'm more interested in seeing that than anything.

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How are season one premiere events spoilers?
(He's not talking about season one)
Staff info is not material information. A VA could indicate a key role, a flashback that has extended lines or needs rerecording, a minor role, or just a dumb cameo. It lacks context. Even leaked scripts may not be material if nothing pertinent is divulged in-context.
It's not a spoiler 100% of the time, but that doesn't mean it's spoiler free 100% of the time.
This rule was such community cancer in irc.[/spoiler]disagree
Never forget raging at synopsis posting. So many crucial details given in vague plot descriptions.
disagree. Plot twists and endings have been given in plot summaries.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
MLP has typically been stronger with its slice of life material, but looking into how those trends have been going until now, who knows! Maybe that will no longer hold.

(He's not talking about season one)
Celestia blasting Luna into the moon is an event that's established in season one episode two.

(He's not talking about season one)It's not a spoiler 100% of the time, but that doesn't mean it's spoiler free 100% of the time.
A broken clock is right a non-zero percentage of the day. The point is that you can't know if it's right or wrong without going to another source of information, like the actual episode.

After all, how is usually more important than what.
 
Celestia blasting Luna into the moon is an event that's established in season one episode two.
knowing that it's in the s4 premiere isn't a known fact if you haven't seen the episodes.
A broken clock is right a non-zero percentage of the day. The point is that you can't know if it's right or wrong without going to another source of information, like the actual episode.
looking at a broken clock not knowing if it's broken can fuck up your day
After all, how is usually more important than what.
opinion, and with 'usually more' added to it. Even if 'how' is more important, that doesn't mean the 'what' is jack shit to be dismissed
 

PaulloDEC

Member
They do sound great. I'm fine with a mix. I just hope we aren't overwhelmed with slice of life episodes and the search for the keys is held off the entire season until the final two episodes, like usual.

I think I'm going to watch this season with the expectation that what you've described is exactly what'll happen. I'm not sure Hasbro really want the episodes to be heavily reliant on one-another to make sense, so it wouldn't surprise me if the key mystery wasn't touched on again until the finale.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but this way I won't be disappointed if I'm not.
 

DrForester

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What about episodes 3 and 4?

We've known those for a while. They're in the OP.


Episode 3: "Castle-Mania" - November 30
While in Luna and Celestia's old castle, the ponies are convinced it is haunted by the Pony of Shadows.

Episode 4: "Daring Don't" - December 7
Rainbow Dash and friends offer to help their favorite author finish her latest book.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Episode 4 sounds interesting. Reminds me of that Cracked entry where people lined up in front of Dickens's house.
 

DrForester

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According to the press release, it seems that Twilight's mom is not the Daring Do author, as suggested by the comics.

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DrForester

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Strangely, the editor for the comics is in contact with the tv team and saw scripts for S4. I think there may end up being some explanation about the apparent contradiction.
 

Orcastar

Member
Strangely, the editor for the comics is in contact with the tv team and saw scripts for S4. I think there may end up being some explanation about the apparent contradiction.

I saw a tweet from Andy Price saying that maybe the thing Twi's mum had on her wall was a "Daring Do Award" or something. Of course I can't find said tweet right now...

In any case, it's disappointing.
 

Videoneon

Member
The premiere was solid. Not amazing, had some funny moments, had a fairly dull conflict but with some interesting developments along the way (Fluttershy opposing the group regarding Discord, and doing so in as convincing a manner as can be expected from Fluttershy / Applejack).

Yep. Twilight told her friends to stop treating her differently, that they were her friends, not her subjects.

AJ essentially says "Princess, I question your orders."

A: The Princess told AJ to knock that "Princess" stuff off.
B: AJ is allowed to question a friend, not a Princess. Questioning "The Princess" makes AJ double-wrong.
C: The Princess was right all along and AJ was wrong. Making AJ triple-wrong.

The guards informed The Princess of the chain of command. She ordered them to investigate and report their findings. They can do that. Perfect order. Equestria is in good hands. Ponyville is under an unusual attack. The Princess thinks this bears investigating, and sees the opportunity to unite the Element weaponry and gain the aid of her friends. So she travels to Ponyville, takes the lead in confronting Discord, takes the lead in investigating the potion, and takes the lead in investigating the forest. None of this is inappropriate.

But because dangerous forest creatures exist (which everyone knew), and because The Princess is distracted by trying (and failing) to use some new abilities, The Princess is exposed to a not-abnormal level of danger, which her backup was able to handle, and which she dismisses as she presses onward.

I think this is quite off the mark. Applejack went up with this episode in my opinion.

She showed appropriate concern for Twilight - respecting her position and their friendship. She did it every other time except for arguably the time she broached the subject about telling Twilight not to go. Twilight wanted them to go with her - she repeatedly stressed, at the beginning of the episode for one, that she wanted her friends to treat her as a friend. Applejack's questioning in the Everfree Forest respected both boundaries - concern for her life as a friend and for the significance of Twilight in the bigger picture.

Citing the necessity of Twilight's presence at the Tree of Harmony as a flaw in Applejack's thinking doesn't work in my opinion. There's no way anybody could have known how things were to develop. Twilight is a rational pony, the most rational as far as we know, and she heard a decent argument. Something that made her feel hurt to be sure, but Sure, the viewer savvy to this show likely already understands that the way to solve problems is by throwing Friendship at it. But that's not all that logical in the absence of understanding that.

She's bumpy, but it's her first day and she's getting the job done. But AJ stops her and insists that The Princess retreat back to the safety of her castle and act more like the sheltered Princess that she is. "For the good of Equestria." Causing the Princess great personal discomfort and a temporary lack in judgement, ensuring that the Elements are broken up and rendered useless, causing the group to fail in their investigation, causing them to be without the means to accomplish their mission even if they could figure it out, and putting The Princess in even greater danger when she eventually rejects AJ's notion of becoming a sheltered Princess and marches back in to the forest unescorted.

This is way too obfuscating. Most of what we saw of Twilight before the crisis was her fretting about separation, and her anxiety about doing some unspecified "things" for a minute while in her new loft as is usual to Twilight. The sensibility of Applejack's argument doesn't change because of what we know later; the variability is what prompted Applejack to speak up. If the other five ponies later found out Twilight's presence was essential, they or someone could've gone back. They should've discussed that beforehand, but the unfolding of the circumstances in this episode were super contrived anyway and a bit clumsy (the conflict being awkwardly developed, being kept in the dark, then slowly spoon fed with a long flashback sequence, then quickly resolved).

Twilight hasn't yet adjusted to the idea that life for her as she understands it, as it's been for three seasons of pony, may have to change. I don't expect the writers to address this issue anytime soon ("would she rather hang out in the treehouse in ponyville as a scholar or in the canterlot loft as a princess?") I mean, I find all of this pomp and circumstance, rulers and kings and social hierarchy nonsensical anyway, but even presupposing it I think Twilight might have to rethink who she is.

Hang on a second, one moment you're reprimanding AJ for questioning Twilight as a Princess, and the next you're reprimanding her for treating Twilight like a Princess at all?

Anyway, Applejack may not have been right to suggest Twilight head back into town, but she was absolutely right to raise some discussion on the matter. It wasn't about letting other people fight Twilight's battles, it was about big-picture thinking. Putting the fate of Equestria before a personal desire to hang with her buds might not win AJ any popularity points, but it's hard to fault her motivation.



That's an incredibly black-and-white way to look at situation that wasn't at all black-and-white. A good Princess is one who chooses her battles, and who carefully considers the words of her most trusted friends. A good Princess would think carefully about the consequences of putting herself in danger and make a wise decision.

Twilight has all the makings of a good Princess, and I don't think that has anything to do with whether or not she's willing to fight every battle in the trenches (or put stock in anything Discord says!)

I sort of agree with this, besides disagreeing about the AJ stuff. What's more important than Twilight learning how to fly properly and curtsy or whatever crap are things like what new duties she takes on, how her relationship with her friends changes, and how she changes as a pony. I think she made a rash decision in heading back to her friends, and it was providence/the grace of the writers/being strapped for time editing-wise that such a course of action was in fact more convenient than retrieving Twilight later. She has the capability to be a great leader. She generally is. It's just a matter of seeing what changes for her.
 

brian577

Banned
Full synopsis for episode 5

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2013/11/season-4-episode-5-flight-to-finish.html#more

“Flight to the Finish” — Rainbow Dash is over the moon to be coaching the young ponies in Scootaloo’s class for their competition to carry the flag at the upcoming Equestria Games. Just as the Cutie Mark Crusaders find their rhythm, Diamond Tiaras taunting becomes too much to handle and Scootaloo begins to doubt herself and her team.
 

$200

Banned
Kinda cringeworthy.

Eh I thought it was okay. I certainly do not want to see her become a good flyer because it's part of the character.

The orphan theory on the other hand is looking more and more likely, if they still don't show her parents or where she lives this season...
 

Village

Member
Idea I had.

Occasionally adventure time has episodes that are bunches of short stories about characters. What if the show did it but with background characters, then people would shut up and I would get interesting television.

Eh I thought it was okay. I certainly do not want to see her become a good flyer because it's part of the character.

\.

Why not, I dunno a character coming over a problem seems like a cool story arc to me.

She is a orange mini horse, a magical orange mini horse.
 

$200

Banned
Why not, I dunno a character coming over a problem seems like a cool story arc to me.

She is a orange mini horse, a magical orange mini horse.

She is a orange mini horse who rides on a scooter and is good at it. Making her a good flyer would just make her like a filly Dash.
 

Village

Member
She is a orange mini horse who rides on a scooter and is good at it. Making her a good flyer would just make her like a filly Dash.

Depends where her character goes.

Dick is a hell of a lot different than bruce. But they get a long, I am sure the writers would be competent enough to take her some place reasonable but someplace not dash.

Edit: It would be quite interesting to see major personality differences into the two, a good foil tends to have a metric crap tone. But they connect on some basic level.
 

akira28

Member
Her becoming a fast but really inexperienced stunt flyer could open up some plot possibilities for RBD. Suddenly she has a filly she can actually mentor and rein in and look after and pass on some of the secrets. I say make her an orphan and a shaky flyer with big heart.

Kill her parents!!
 

Village

Member
Her becoming a fast but really inexperienced stunt flyer could open up some plot possibilities for RBD. Suddenly she has a filly she can actually mentor and rein in and look after and pass on some of the secrets. I say make her an orphan and a shaky flyer with big heart.

Kill her parents!!

Good Idea.

I that reminds me of another idea, but for that one to happen that would require hasbro to get greedy.
 

brian577

Banned
So Castlemania has apparently already been leaked on to the Internet. Tread lightly and remember spoiler tags for leaked episodes.
 
I like the season premier. There's a lot of stuff that I has always wanted to see.

Also, previews had me worried that
Nightmare Moon would resurfaced again
, which would have been horrible characterization for Luna. I'm relieved.

Also, I'm really liking the story progression that these episodes had. Having something new to discover has me looking forward to the future.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
S4E3

Whoever decided to let Josh Haber write an episode made a good decision, or maybe even the directorial change in bringing in Jim Miller is making a difference. This ep was rather enjoyable and even had the best Rarity treatment in ages. Fluttershy wasn't even annoying! Feels like S1 again.

Maybe expectations can be raised again, or maybe this will be like last season's ep 3. Who knows! It'd be great to simply write off S3 as an aberration.
 

Firehead

Member
S4E3

Whoever decided to let Josh Haber write an episode made a good decision, or maybe even the directorial change in bringing in Jim Miller is making a difference. This ep was rather enjoyable and even had the best Rarity treatment in ages. Fluttershy wasn't even annoying! Feels like S1 again.

Maybe expectations can be raised again, or maybe this will be like last season's ep 3. Who knows! It'd be great to simply write off S3 as an aberration.

I concur. It's feeling better so far. Much, much better from S3. Here's hopin' they keep it consistent.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
It's really hard to tell at this point, given that it's the first episode after the opener, but they just might be changing the show format as well. It's possible they're toning down the episodic slice-of-life nature of the show a bit and allowing more continuity. Then again, S1 tied a bunch of episodes together with Gala prep, but loosely enough that order wasn't that important as long as you got the beginning and end where they should be.
 

PaulloDEC

Member
S4E3

Whoever decided to let Josh Haber write an episode made a good decision, or maybe even the directorial change in bringing in Jim Miller is making a difference. This ep was rather enjoyable and even had the best Rarity treatment in ages. Fluttershy wasn't even annoying! Feels like S1 again.

Maybe expectations can be raised again, or maybe this will be like last season's ep 3. Who knows! It'd be great to simply write off S3 as an aberration.

I concur. It's feeling better so far. Much, much better from S3. Here's hopin' they keep it consistent.

Great impressions! I wasn't quite as down on S3 as some were, but it's great to hear the feeling is closer to S1 and S2 just the same.
 
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