HeWhoWalks
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Full exclusivity likely depends on the game, but outside of 1st Party stuff, I agree with you. Even if the PC version fails, which is rare, I see no other reason to leave out that platform.
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Narrative of PS5 Exclusivity Hurting Games Countered by New Report
Zathalus
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Video Game Insights – Games industry data and analysis
VG Insights is for developers, publishers and anyone interested in video game market research. Providing 50+ datapoints per game for over 50,000 games!
vginsights.com
Yes, yes, game trackers are estimations based on a number of factors, but the sales data in the OP (GSD) isn't fully hard data either as it uses plenty of estimation and projections. Plus the numbers align neatly with the latest sales presentation from Capcom.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
I honestly think they need to manage their expectations better. A game selling several million in a year should not be considered a failure. If it is, they need to budget these projects better. It's like Tomb Raider all over again (which was also published by SE, interestingly enough).
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NeverYouMind
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Because I was curious if the trend was global but the shoddy statistics just have Europe on a few middling blockbuster releases with delayed PC launches. It is pretty much known that Europe only has Sony and Nintendo as relevant gaming hardware brands anyways. Either way, globally console ownership is shrinking while gaming PC ownership is rising.
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HogIsland
Member
More like I want console gamers to recognize that they're getting ripped off and things could be better.
Sony is wringing every dollar they can out of you.
I don't even think most people should get a high end PC. Get a PC that's PS4 Pro powered and the value is insane.
Salty Pickle
Member
No. If it would make more sense business-wise to release first on PC they would do that instead.
But since they aren’t it tells us Rockstar thinks it’s more important to release on console first.
Really? Are you honestly comparing the validity of GSD data that gets information from actual publishers and retailers to those site estimates? Come on man.
You mentioned RE4 specifically, XXL just said RE4 had this percentage and you tried to say it had 50/50. What's worse is that you tried to say that's directly from Capcom by linking to an article that didn't even mention it. He wanted RE4 data specifically.
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TheGodfather07
Member
But square enix agreed to the deal in the first place didn't they? They obviously didn't value PC enough.
Woopah
Member
Most yes, but for example we've seen WB invest in porting Hogwarts to Switch and seeing good sales.
The game not running on Switch is a good reason not to release it, but thinking you'll sell a "small amount" generally isn't a good reason.
HogIsland
Member
If general game sales were really lopsided for PC over Playstation, your point would be stronger. It being more like 50:50/60:40 raises two incentives for Rockstar: optimizing for fixed hardware, and double-dip buyers.
I think they're making a big mistake though. The market has changed substantially since they made these plans. I'm learning my lesson this time and waiting.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
Showing your true colors with this one, aren't you?
Microsoft bought Halo/Bungie. And Minecraft. And Bethesda. And Activision-Blizzard. And Tomb Raider exclusivity. Not to mention Gears Of War.
Remember Phil Spencer's wet dream of a "career moment" if Microsoft could acquire Nintendo?
And let's not forget "we're in a unique position to spend Sony out of business".
Stop being a hypocrite and shut up.
RetroGamingUK
Member
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Apparently R* doesn’t agree and they clearly know what’s better for their business than you or I.
What’s preferable to me? Release multiptatform day/date, but again, they know better than us and the game is going sell by the country load no matter what.
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TheGodfather07
Member
Microsofts 80b spent will pay off any day now... success is right around the corner.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
If only MS had the cash flow to do the exact same thing but even more.
Zathalus
Member
Fully expected you to dismiss it out of hand, I suppose I could explain how accurate Gamalytic has been specifically with recent PC releases that released sales numbers, such as Manor Lords and Frostpunk 2 where the sales numbers were a fraction of a percent accurate. Or I suppose I could mention, that by GSDs own admission, not all publishers provide them with data, and some regions are estimates, I’ve got a feeling you’re just going to dismiss it out of hand.
So GSD that is not 100% based on actual publisher sales information counts (neither Capcom nor Konami are part of the participating publishers for Steam data) but game trackers with high accuracy and sound methodology, that have been used by game developers themselves do not. Also, despite Capcoms latest financial report showing 50% of game units moved were on PC (including RE 4 which is marked as a catalog title), RE 4 is of course the exception to this.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
They have, with Windows. Some of Xbox’s biggest supporters would do good by researching how that all went down. Or how they snatched Halo from Apple by acquiring Bungie - their most famous (or infamous, however one wants to judge it) example of “paying to gain an advantage” before the Zenimax/Acti acquisitions.
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LectureMaster
Gold Member
The green rats vs. sony boys war is so over.
Folks, nowadays it is always PC and console headbutts 24/7.
Folks, nowadays it is always PC and console headbutts 24/7.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Turns out the green rats and the civil war southerners have something in common.
Salty Pickle
Member
Of course they know more than you or me. They are still releasing on console first and the main driver for their decisions, like all businesses, is always money.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Right, so the best decision for their business is all anyone can assume is happening by releasing it how they are.
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XXL
Member
Correct.
Nintendo is Mario, Zelda, etc to alot of people. It's so integrated into the brand its not even funny.
I don't care how accurate you think those estimates are or how many times they might have been very close. GSD data is industry data from actual publishers and the fact that you tried to call those estimates in the same vein is silly.
Those who don't are not tracked period. They're not guessed.
Both Capcom and Konami share sales data with GSD directly. What you're doing is comical:
The Digital data incorporates games from Activision Blizzard, Bandai Namco, Capcom, Codemasters, Dontnod Entertainment, EA, Focus Entertainment, Koch Media, Konami, Microsoft, Milestone, Paradox Interactive, Sega, Sony, Square Enix, Take-Two, Tiny Bull, Ubisoft, Ustwo and Warner Bros.
Games Sales Data - VIDEOGAMES EUROPE
www.videogameseurope.eu
Sure, sure if you say so. It's the fact that you're questioning the validity of data provided by actual publisher to GSD that's funny all the while using estimate sites.
Yes RE4 Remake wasn't catalog though and he was talking about RE4 specifically. XXL just gave you the split near release. He raised a very valid point about a trend in catalog titles too which is that often those Capcom games sell more on PS then as they get older and cheaper the splits get closer. That's mainly because Steam has a big install base but a lot of it is in a global market where at launch a lot of regions are priced out. When over time those hit discounts it opens up large PC regions in China, Brazil, etc. Nothing wrong with that but you're far too emotional about this PC stuff.
Self_Destructive
Member
What a stupid bullshit report... lmao.
Yes, exclusivity IS hurting games.. and its not just the sales it misses... but also all the potential sales that can be gained in the future by continued releases. Just look at all the Japanese studios who's first games sold a tiny amount and have since grown leaps and bounds on PC. Look at Capcom and the RE games, or Monster Hunter.. Wilds is going to be MASSIVE on PC. Look at FROMSOFT and the Souls games. SEGA with Yakuza. It's not about the sales ratio compared to other platforms... it's about seeing continued growth on each platform.. which only comes with consistent, continued releases.
Yes, exclusivity IS hurting games.. and its not just the sales it misses... but also all the potential sales that can be gained in the future by continued releases. Just look at all the Japanese studios who's first games sold a tiny amount and have since grown leaps and bounds on PC. Look at Capcom and the RE games, or Monster Hunter.. Wilds is going to be MASSIVE on PC. Look at FROMSOFT and the Souls games. SEGA with Yakuza. It's not about the sales ratio compared to other platforms... it's about seeing continued growth on each platform.. which only comes with consistent, continued releases.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
I guess Nintendo didn’t get the memo.
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HogIsland
Member
Can you list all of them and their actual sales numbers?
FrankWza
Gold Member
Uh oh.... here comes a Psygnosis mention.
Makes you wonder about those PC/Switch posts. If you're that mad about exclusivity why on earth would you support Nintendo by buying their underpowered hardware and remakes....I guess Nintendo didn’t get the memo.
Well, you can't change people from their favorite box no matter who they are, people still value value over experience, they'll invest on something based mostly on value reasons, for the longest time, games've been made for the soul purpose of offering high value, look at pc, Atari, Nintendo, SEGA, these companies make games that offers high value, but Sony came and made %90 of their content for experience, this is nice but the truth is people will keep paying until at some point ask for value cause you can't change what people really want which is value over experience.
Little Chicken
Banned
Ahh yes, the five paragraph "report" made using forum posts from Resetera from PlaystaionLifestyle.net 
Zathalus
Member
Apologies I was looking at an older report on GSD data and not that list itself, that is my fault.I don't care how accurate you think those estimates are or how many times they might have been very close. GSD data is industry data from actual publishers and the fact that you tried to call those estimates in the same vein is silly.
Those who don't are not tracked period. They're not guessed.
Both Capcom and Konami share sales data with GSD directly. What you're doing is comical:
The Digital data incorporates games from Activision Blizzard, Bandai Namco, Capcom, Codemasters, Dontnod Entertainment, EA, Focus Entertainment, Koch Media, Konami, Microsoft, Milestone, Paradox Interactive, Sega, Sony, Square Enix, Take-Two, Tiny Bull, Ubisoft, Ustwo and Warner Bros.
Games Sales Data - VIDEOGAMES EUROPE
Sure, sure if you say so. It's the fact that you're questioning the validity of data provided by actual publisher to GSD that's funny all the while using estimate sites.
Yes RE4 Remake wasn't catalog though and he was talking about RE4 specifically. XXL just gave you the split near release. He raised a very valid point about a trend in catalog titles too which is that often those Capcom games sell more on PS then as they get older and cheaper the splits get closer. That's mainly because Steam has a big install base but a lot of it is in a global market where at launch a lot of regions are priced out. When over time those hit discounts it opens up large PC regions in China, Brazil, etc. Nothing wrong with that but you're far too emotional about this PC stuff.
But regardless of if you want to believe the game trackers themselves despite the accuracy they have, the actual hard data we have from Capcom is that 52% of games unit sales for the latest financial report were on PC. And RE4 is part of what they consider catalog titles.
Discounts for these games are the exact same across the regions you mentioned or sometime even cheaper on PSN depending on the sale, R$99.75 for Brazil PSN right now vs R$169,00 on Steam. It’s actually never been as cheap in Brazil on Steam as it has been on PSN.
And my emotions are perfectly fine thank you. This is a video game forum, not a political debate hall.
FrankWza
Gold Member
GTA VI is going to bomb on PC in 2027?
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
So the game was the issue, not its exclusivity!
Unrivaledx88
Member
Choice !? Hahaha if I only have Playstation and the game is Exclusive the only choice I need to make is do I get it or not !
Consumers without the Said platform are the only ones left Crying about not being able to play the game .
Thats not Sony’s problem to worry about consumers with no PlayStation
Self_Destructive
Member
I can list a lot more than that shitty article did.
Unrivaledx88
Member
pasterpl
Member
That’s quite shit comparison and example, probably based on data from first 3 days.
gameworldobserver.com
So 156k copies sold on PS5 (20M+ owners) and 44k on PC in Europe (based on reported 1m copies sold globally in first 3 days). We don’t know the platform split globally. But if it similar as in EU then we looking at total 780k copies sold on PS5 (60m+consoles). It easy to flip this, Black Myth Wukong sold 20M copies, 70% on PC and 30% on PS5. If it would be fully exclusive to PS5 it wouldn’t sell on PC. So if the game is exclusive to PS5 (might not be due to exclusivity deal) and it released on PC, gamers choose PC over PS5. Basing the whole article on single market and single game to come to statistical conclusion like this is just stupid.
PlayStation 5 accounts for 78% of Silent Hill 2’s launch sales in Europe | Game World Observer
Critical acclaim and a very positive player reception have translated into strong sales for the Silent Hill 2 remake. Here is how the game is doing commercially in Europe.
gameworldobserver.com
So 156k copies sold on PS5 (20M+ owners) and 44k on PC in Europe (based on reported 1m copies sold globally in first 3 days). We don’t know the platform split globally. But if it similar as in EU then we looking at total 780k copies sold on PS5 (60m+consoles). It easy to flip this, Black Myth Wukong sold 20M copies, 70% on PC and 30% on PS5. If it would be fully exclusive to PS5 it wouldn’t sell on PC. So if the game is exclusive to PS5 (might not be due to exclusivity deal) and it released on PC, gamers choose PC over PS5. Basing the whole article on single market and single game to come to statistical conclusion like this is just stupid.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Genuinely laughed out loud in the office at that, you’re an idiot
I may be an idiot, but I'm Sony's idiot
DoubleClutch
Member
I’d rather have the option of playing it on PC or Handheld at whatever resolutions and settings I choose.
kevboard
Member
no, because it probably will have massive hype behind it because it is actually a GTA game... meanwhile FFXVI was a drawn out Devil May Cry spinoff. too much walking and talking for DMC fans, not enough RPG for FF fans.
and games like that, those who lose a lot of hype post launch, absolutely suffer from late ports to other systems.
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kevboard
Member
So the game was the issue, not its exclusivity!
this is semi true. but disliked games can still generate a lot of sales due to pre-launch hype. see No Man's Sky. then after launch a lot of bad word of mouth spreads and kills the hype.
if No Man's Sky didn't change from its launch version and released unchanged at a later date on other systems, those ports would probably have flopped massively as well.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Thing is, with Square, XVI could have done five million Week 1 instead of three. I bet they still would have called it an underperformance. Issue with them is discipline, because there is no way a multi million seller, that quick, should be seen as bad. I know it’s a massive game and each project is different, but if Silent Hill can sell a third of that (on two platforms) and be celebrated as a success, Final Fantasy should be in the same boat selling over 3 million, on one platform, in its first week on the market.
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BlackTron
Member
I think we found Good Guy Phil's alt account.
Please do
sankt-Antonio
:^)--?-<
Game price on PS5 in the initial phase is much more important than half the sales being on PC years down the line from 10 Dollar steam sales.
Zathalus
Member
What about 10 dollar PSN sales?