Yes.
Ric Flair said:
I'm glad I was bored watching Raw and turned it off before that segment.
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Yes.
I'm glad I was bored watching Raw and turned it off before that segment.
If Charlotte said no, they'd probably put pressure on her until she said yes anyway. They don't give a shit about the people involved, only their stories.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
How is it the company's fault if they give her the option to nix something, and she chooses not to exercise that right because she's "not comfortable" doing so? Wrestling companies exist to get heat on wrestlers and feuds, and as shown by the reaction to the segment, Reid was a low-hanging fruit with a lot of potential to get a reaction from people, which is what makes the company money and allows the individual performers to make more money (inarguably something women wrestlers deserve to do more of). What other option does the company have other than to put it out there and trust that an adult woman should have the maturity and spine to give them an honest answer about how she feels? I doubt they were just dying to make Ric Flair cry by referencing his dead son, they just wanted to get heat on their women wrestlers to capitalize on the Rousey/Holm shit.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
People will do literally anything to defend Vince McMahon.
Let me just repeat that, because it's 2015, and it must be expressed with the utmost of crystal clarity that despite everything, all the people he's fucked over, all the people he'll continue to fuck over, people will do literally anything to defend Vince "It's unfortunate that my stepfather died before I could kill him. I would have enjoyed that." McMahon
Sweeney Tom
Banned
WCW and WWE have a long-spanning history of fucking over the Flairs because "fuck Ric". But no, I'm sure the 75th time it happened, it was really just an accident. Really. All is forgivennnnn
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
I don't give a fuck about Vince McMahon. i enjoyed the segment, thought it was classic tasteless wrasslin' and did a good job of getting heat on the feud.
They've already found a way to endear her and allow her to tell her story and they didn't have to do it in such a shitty way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8fe6gH091o
Sure, they won't play a seven minute sit-down interview on Raw, but that was in September. They could have shown bits and pieces of it by now. They wouldn't have had to do the one-night cheap heat promo if they had been using the time since Charlotte got called up to make us actually care about her.
dream
Member
I feel like Wrestlinggaf often tries to ignore or deny that wrestling is predicated on being tasteless (AAA really could have avoided the predicament they're in right now if they had turned Rey, FWIW), and react with outrage when confronted with what you and I know this business really is.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
They cared so much about family they asked nobody outside of her.
Ric was scared shitless to even bring up his actual feelings on the podcast because he was afraid Charlotte's career would be ruined, and knew she had no clue what to do in that position.
You want deep history on what happens in that position? Owen had to choose between a rafter entrance he was scared shitless of and seeing if WCW liked him as much as Bret. It's not a fucking easy choice to make saying no to Vince. Just like it won't be easy when people have to do it to HHH and Steph. Another history lesson: you remember that one writer who reacted to being fired with "alright", and Steph called him repeatedly to remind him he was fired? It was funny because it was so petty, but that's how the heirs to the throne treat people who don't care. Imagine how they'll be when they control the lives of those who do.
Real lives are affected by this shit, and it's ignorant to brush off the seriousness or effects just because "I was entertained, so nobody's at fault"
Ric was scared shitless to even bring up his actual feelings on the podcast because he was afraid Charlotte's career would be ruined, and knew she had no clue what to do in that position.
You want deep history on what happens in that position? Owen had to choose between a rafter entrance he was scared shitless of and seeing if WCW liked him as much as Bret. It's not a fucking easy choice to make saying no to Vince. Just like it won't be easy when people have to do it to HHH and Steph. Another history lesson: you remember that one writer who reacted to being fired with "alright", and Steph called him repeatedly to remind him he was fired? It was funny because it was so petty, but that's how the heirs to the throne treat people who don't care. Imagine how they'll be when they control the lives of those who do.
Real lives are affected by this shit, and it's ignorant to brush off the seriousness or effects just because "I was entertained, so nobody's at fault"
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Have never paid money for the Network. Did exactly one free trial, which didn't even make it the full month.
Last WWE thing I bought at all was a December to Dismember DVD in...2009 I think? Started to learn more about/become more disgusted about WWE's history around that time, and my interest in financially supporting the company ever again went south. And that purchase was only because I lost a bet and had to buy a shit event (which I never watched live and thought "hey couldn't be that bad").
Lost that bet in more ways than one because holy fucking shit
Last WWE thing I bought at all was a December to Dismember DVD in...2009 I think? Started to learn more about/become more disgusted about WWE's history around that time, and my interest in financially supporting the company ever again went south. And that purchase was only because I lost a bet and had to buy a shit event (which I never watched live and thought "hey couldn't be that bad").
Lost that bet in more ways than one because holy fucking shit
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Just remembered another fun example, in fact:
Remember when Paul Bearer's family (not Taker/Kane) got asked permission for his name to be used during the build to Taker/Punk and they said ok
And then in addition to using his name, they had mock ashes claimed to be his dumped and wiped all over Punk and Taker
Spoiler: they were horrified watching this
Spoiler: apparently this is okay. "not the company's fault"
ed: Shit, sorry for the double posts, damn mobile
Remember when Paul Bearer's family (not Taker/Kane) got asked permission for his name to be used during the build to Taker/Punk and they said ok
And then in addition to using his name, they had mock ashes claimed to be his dumped and wiped all over Punk and Taker
Spoiler: they were horrified watching this
Spoiler: apparently this is okay. "not the company's fault"
ed: Shit, sorry for the double posts, damn mobile
Bluekaveli
Member
I suggested this last week or two weeks ago. It would be too sweet.
Probably a very late post but whatevs.
Don't think it will. Whether Sheamus wins the championship or not(he will) I feel like he's going to be a transitional champ with maybe a month reign. I bet he probably loses his shot/title in a championship match at the Royal Rumble. Whether he gets a rematch after that I dunno, what I do know is he ain't sniffing the WM Main Event.
sf2fanatic
Member
Percy Pringle aka Paul Bearer is definitely a Top 3 Managers of all time. He even made miscarders like Shaun Ricker aka Eli Drake now a superstar
Sweeney Tom
Banned
ed: ^^ I'd say he's my top 1. Heyman to me has always been better commentator than manager for some reason, and Manager Heyman should be deducted points for that Cesaro and Ryback and Axel run
I think if he's actually holding it longer than a month, it's not happening till after Mania to have that TMNT photoshoot rub (it's out June 3, next MITB [latest the case can be cashed in] isn't until June 12)
I think if he's actually holding it longer than a month, it's not happening till after Mania to have that TMNT photoshoot rub (it's out June 3, next MITB [latest the case can be cashed in] isn't until June 12)
Bluekaveli
Member
When did the last part happen? Who was it?
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Was looking all over for the name, couldn't remember it aside from the first name sounding French.
Patrice O'Neal. Fuck Opie and Anthony, but he confirmed it on their show during an appearance in 2009 or '10 laughing about the situation.
Bluekaveli
Member
What a douche situation. Fuck Steph for that, I don't event think Vince would do that.
Oh man, I forgot he was in the next TMNT movie. I also forgot there was going to be another TMNT movie. And I'm an old school fan who didn't mind the last one.
Patrice was a writer for the WWE? Part of me thinks I might have known that but completely forgot about it later down the line.
Top three? That's a tough call.
My fab five managers:
1) Bobby "The Brain" Heenan
2) "Classy" Freddie Blassie
3) Captain Lou Albano
4) Mr. Fuji
5) Jimmy "The Mouth of the South" Hart
5A) The Grand Wizard
Oh God this is kind of making sense, it's too early in the morning for me.
According to the latest Ric Flair podcast
To be fair to WWE, Flair would have already been crying because Charlotte was in the "main event segment" on Raw.
Out of what aired, I think the only thing that was shitty and out of line was Paige's comment at the end for cheap heat. Charlotte talks about Reid quite a bit.
Obviously they should have asked Charlotte earlier, and they probably should have let Ric know as a courtesy.
Marvel
could never
Jeeeezus
Not long now before: "This is Jonathan Reigns, my original character: DO NOT STEAL"
FlammableD
Banned
I go to all that effort and you fuckers can't keep on point for a 50 post derail?
When I come back with the next batch of Sexsmith GIF's, you all deserve whatever happens.
When I come back with the next batch of Sexsmith GIF's, you all deserve whatever happens.
British Monsoon
Member
Well, there we go - AJPW's gone from paying salaries to paying wrestlers per-match, which is surely a contributing factor in what led to KENSO, Akebono, Shiozaki & Kotaro leaving to become freelancers. Also, the schedule for shows next year is very sparse and no one knows what's going on. Last July Cable TV Yamagata became AJPW's parent company, but it doesn't seem to have helped matters and apparently Akiyama didn't receive the news at all well.
¡HarlequinPanic!
Member
To all the flair stuff: good.
Wresting is trashy by nature and should strive to make more old men cry
Wresting is trashy by nature and should strive to make more old men cry
I'm at work and some guy just showed up in a New Japan ProWrestling T-Shirt. I would have talked to him about NJPW but since I haven't seen anything involving it since maybe the early 00's I didn't want to expose myself as a fraud.
The real reason is I didn't want to talk about prowrestling at work(still haven't seen any NJPW stuff since 02, and should probably change that).
The real reason is I didn't want to talk about prowrestling at work(still haven't seen any NJPW stuff since 02, and should probably change that).
According to the latest Ric Flair podcast
I do not believe it for a moment.
Ric would elbow drop an urn of David's ashes for $50 and a Dave and Buster gift card at an indy show these days.
He is working you.
His wife, ex wife whatever got upset so he is covering himself.
Arrowgigantic
Member
Ric barely listens when other people are talking, it's entirely possible he was told and just wasn't paying attention.
Marvel
could never
This is true.
Yeah it's not looking good. I think Wrestle-1 is on its last legs too and Sanshiro Takagi was just brought in to help manage their debts until the time comes to close down.
Who is running AJPW these days? Is it still Akiyama and Mutoh or was that years ago?
Akiyama as of last year. Muto left in 2013.
I watched most of the 90 minute edition of Raw last night, still need to see Kalisto vs Del Rio and the contract signing.
The matches I saw were excellent, and I wish we had more like that on Raw. Give us amazing one on one match ups with no story interruptions or gimmicks and you'll see ratings tick up.
I loved the contrast between Owens vs Neville and Ziggler vs Ambrose. Two great matches of different styles.
Roman vs Cesaro was a PPV main event, and I hope it proved Cesaro can hang at that level.
Even though the outcome is predictable as hell, I look forward to this Sunday.
The matches I saw were excellent, and I wish we had more like that on Raw. Give us amazing one on one match ups with no story interruptions or gimmicks and you'll see ratings tick up.
I loved the contrast between Owens vs Neville and Ziggler vs Ambrose. Two great matches of different styles.
Roman vs Cesaro was a PPV main event, and I hope it proved Cesaro can hang at that level.
Even though the outcome is predictable as hell, I look forward to this Sunday.
Here's the participants:
Jobber
Jobber
Jobber
Jobber
Jobber (Captain)
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Jobber
Jobber
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Jobber (Captain)
Because the creative team has no idea who is gonna be in it either. It'll probably be New Day plus a couple other people vs. Usos, Ryback and a couple other people.
Survivor Series is one of the big four, and only 2 of them are gimmicks. Yet these fuckers couldn't event prepare accordingly and didn't plan a SURVIVOR SERIES MATCH
"oh yeah Royal Rumble is coming up but we forgot about the Rumble match, so I guess you can have a Royal Rumble match anyway, I don't know, put the usos in it"
this company is infuriating, #When'sLucha
"oh yeah Royal Rumble is coming up but we forgot about the Rumble match, so I guess you can have a Royal Rumble match anyway, I don't know, put the usos in it"
this company is infuriating, #When'sLucha
Barring last year's Team Cena vs Team Authority which really meant jack shit in the end, most modern SS matches and like this. I'm of the opinion that Vince hates traditional Survivor Series matches.
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