XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
http://www.school-for-champions.com/sports/basketball_players_who_caused_rule_changes.htm
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NBA commissioner changes stance, says changes are needed in regards to hack-a-player
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http://www.school-for-champions.com/sports/basketball_players_who_caused_rule_changes.htm
My favorite of the listed ones:
Basileus777
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Good, they make rule changes all the time to make the product more entertaining for the fans and nothing is worse to watch than hack-a-player. And they should make things like what happened in that Drummond gif a flagrant foul. Big men have it tough enough with modern rules without players being able to injure them with obnoxious shit like that.
Why have a rule where turnovers are created via foul play.
There are very few examples in other sports where breaking the rules gives that team an advantage.
ViperVisor
Member
The timeout, advance the ball to half-court, rule is something that makes no sense for fairness but is around because how much it helps with watch-ability and drama of the final second or 2 of a game.
I seriously doubt that would happen, it's very easy to foul a player with the ball without putting him in any sort of risk.
The issue here are fouls away from the ball, I doubt they change much about the way fouls are called on players with the ball.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Teams before every game have assigned a "designated shooter"
Back up assigned also if available. If both not available then player takes shots.
(Give them an insignia showcasing it, hell make it an armband or wristband. Might even be a sellable merchandise item)
Before 2 minutes, 1+1 and ball back
During 2 minutes, Designated Shooter rule in effect
(Each Quarter)
Timeouts, 3 Full, 2 20 sec each half
Can also give option to coaches the 2 full and 4 20 sec TO's option before game.
Add that "stra-tee-gery"
I want a 4 point line and a shot from the other side of the court be worth 5
Back up assigned also if available. If both not available then player takes shots.
(Give them an insignia showcasing it, hell make it an armband or wristband. Might even be a sellable merchandise item)
Before 2 minutes, 1+1 and ball back
During 2 minutes, Designated Shooter rule in effect
(Each Quarter)
Timeouts, 3 Full, 2 20 sec each half
Can also give option to coaches the 2 full and 4 20 sec TO's option before game.
Add that "stra-tee-gery"
I want a 4 point line and a shot from the other side of the court be worth 5
The difference here is that all these rule changes were made because of the unbelievably HIGH skill levels of the players in the question.
Eliminating the Hack-a-Shaq strategy would be changing rules to accommodate those with an unbelievably POOR skill level.
I'd imagine they do something like if a player gets fouled in the backcourt, the fouled team gets 1 free throw (anyone can take it) and the ball out of bounds at midcourt. It gives the defense another shot at stealing the ball on the inbound and the offense gets one free freethrow.
Shamrock7r
Member
You're assuming wrong and nothing you said even contradicts my point
Basileus777
Member
It's be changing the rules to make the game better to watch, like how they eliminated hand checking. For once it'd just be a change that wasn't for the benefit of perimeter players (well except Rondo).
thechristoph
Sir!
Replace free throws with power plays.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
About damn time. Just make the last 2 minutes rule for the whole game.
I see a lot cowardly opinions calling this just a strategy. BS anyone whose ever played basketball doesn't want to be fouled. Fouling for the sake of fouling outside of the league would get you in serious crap in other circles of basketball if done to degree they do it in the NBA. You would be lying to suggest otherwise with what is on youtube.
Nba should make it simple since it's a team strategy to do it let the other team pick who does the free throws. The responses about weak free throw shooters are laughable while teams pick a cowardly tactic to slow up the game or not actually play some legit defense and lose on the merits. I'm with others 1 or 2 free throws chosen by the team being fouled or having a side out would make teams less brazen about doing this crap. This is one of my few beefs with NBA and glad to see the commissioner wants to do something about it.
Hack a player is boring and cowardly even if logistics of it make sense.
Nba should make it simple since it's a team strategy to do it let the other team pick who does the free throws. The responses about weak free throw shooters are laughable while teams pick a cowardly tactic to slow up the game or not actually play some legit defense and lose on the merits. I'm with others 1 or 2 free throws chosen by the team being fouled or having a side out would make teams less brazen about doing this crap. This is one of my few beefs with NBA and glad to see the commissioner wants to do something about it.
Hack a player is boring and cowardly even if logistics of it make sense.
adamsappel
Member
Drummond isn't even watching for the rebound! He obviously knows what's going to happen as he moves under Noel to catch him.
Shamrock7r
Member
It seemed like an inside joke between the two. Not how someone is normally hacked.
Lol "cowardly opinions" Hilarious
He just wanted a piggyback ride.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Not a fan of this move. Players should practice their free throws instead of being bums. It's pathetic that a pro like Drummond has such a pitiful conversion % on the FT line. I played soccer all my life and have a 50%+ FT. Durant put it best, don't want to get constantly fouled, practice your fucking free throws.
And this is coming from someone who has Drummond as one of his favorite players.
And this is coming from someone who has Drummond as one of his favorite players.
That's somewhat fair I reckon.old said:
Latvian Hitman
Member
Yeep. This is the solution. You're basically giving the team that suffered the infraction the option of taking the penalty or not, like in the NFL.
The hacking strategy is not without repercussion. The opponent will always have a set defense after the free throws, you're not giving your defense a chance to make a stop or force a bad shot that could lead to an easy bucket, you're racking up fouls and getting into the penalty early and disrupting the flow of your team if they had anything going.
That being said it needs to be addressed, especially the extreme cases. I don't mind it in the course of play - a hard foul when a big is going to the basket, or even when he gets a touch in the post - but wrapping guys up as soon as they inbound should not be allowed. That's not a basketball play.
That being said it needs to be addressed, especially the extreme cases. I don't mind it in the course of play - a hard foul when a big is going to the basket, or even when he gets a touch in the post - but wrapping guys up as soon as they inbound should not be allowed. That's not a basketball play.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
I say two FT and possession. Likely, 3 point play and up to 5. That'll fix it. It won't take away strategy anymore than a flagrant cuts down on excessive contact; it still is an entertainment company. People want to see the great athletes creating, not shooting at the line.
If you think that's true, then lol
LyleLanley
Banned
It may not be but I've heard similar about a lot of other terrible free throw shooters. Plus I'd believe Dwight is mentally weak enough to be that awful when fans start booing him.
Good. I'd start watching basketball again if it stopped being timeoutball/hackaball.
Somebody sign Ben Wallace.
How do you differentiate between an intentional foul and a part-of-the-game foul. So if Steph crosses you over and you reach he gets the FTs and the ball back?
LyleLanley
Banned
This is only for fouls committed when the player doesn't have the ball.
Basileus777
Member
This is not really a concern, they already enforce this rule without issue during the final 2 minutes of the game. It's for off the ball fouls.
But... that rule exists...
if you actually watched basketball you would know how to differentiate between an intentional foul and a regular foul.
Rewarding teams for putting players on the court that have deficiencies. It's not even hard for the other team. Put another guy on the court or build a team without a liability on it. I can't wait until they ban intentional walks in baseball. It's not fair to put a worse player up to bat instead !!!
LyleLanley
Banned
Alright, now you've confused me.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I don't watch much basketball, but surely the free-throw rule is designed to punish teams who foul so as to discourage it. If a rule isn't working then you change it. This is the equivalent of making it a red card for tackling a player who is clean through on goal in soccer.
Basileus777
Member
All rules reward or penalize certain types of players or play styles. That's how it works, whether its the size of a pitcher's mound or the rules for intentionally fouling. You make changes because it makes the game a better product, some specific people will always benefit from it more than others, but that's how it goes.
I was discussing fouling the ball-carrier.
Anyhow I looked up Drummond and they were fouling him at the start of the 3rd Q. So, that's what people are trying to address. I guess you could extend the rules for all 12 minutes for off-the-ball plays, but do we really want players and coaches whining about getting fouled intentionally or getting fouled because a defender lost their man?
Sorry, I legit forgot people were fouling Drummond at the start of the third quarter.
Another cowardly strategy. Lets walk the guy cause our pitcher can't strike him out. It's not fair he might hit my pitch and do something useful with it.
LyleLanley
Banned
lol, this is what the entire thread is about.
In my defense, that strategy didn't work, and no one's doing it against anyone else.
Jmanunknown
Member
I am with you on players learning to make free throws. Its a completely mental thing especially with the really horrible free throw shooters. Karl Malone was an absolutely horrible free throw shooter in his first two years in the NBA he shot them as bad as Andre Drummond and Deandre Jordan do now but, in his third year he became a 70 percent free throw shooter because he figured out that if you make them routine they become easier.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Was it really? What I've always heard was that there being a broader problem with teams with a lead just constantly playing keepaway a la soccer, making the game boring, and the shot clock went in to break that strategy and keep things interesting.
It started as a tactic against George Mikan to avoid ever letting him have the ball (resulting in the lowest scored NBA game ever), but it soon spread to other teams because it basically turned optimal play of avoiding ever letting the other team have shots. George also caused goaltending to become a violation.
arts&crafts
Member
Good. I'd start watching basketball again if it stopped being timeoutball/hackaball.
What does this play have to do with hack-a-player? Why would you hack-a-player when neither team has possession? This was obviously some joke or whatever between the two players.
Stabby McSter
Member
free throws are kind of a loophole here, which is why plenty of people foul after free throw attempts
Fenderputty
Banned
Conceptually I never did either. It's a very basic skill in the game. A team exploiting another players lack of talent in a very basic skill should be par for the course.
As a spectator though. It's awful to watch. So so so awful.
Gully State
Member
1.1 points per possession is where the top tier offenses are scoring. That means if you convert ft's at roughly 55% rate, hack a ______ isn't worth it since you're scoring at a rate equivalent to a top 5 offense. So really, you're changing the rules because 2-4 players in the league can't hit free throws at an already pretty low rate.
That said. I'm torn on the subject myself. I think players should be absolutely punished for not being able to convert free throws (the most hilarious part is that they refuse to adopt shooting Rick Barry style because it looks sissy).
On the other hand, there should be a harder limit on how much you can employ hack a _____ for the sake of making the game more spectator friendly (although I think the shame ball that comes with Hack a _____ is pretty entertaining).
darkazcura
Member
No, they were putting Drummond on the line so they would immediately get the ball back. That is exactly what "hack-a-player" is for.
ANYWAY, I'm so glad they will finally do something about this. Fouling = penalties. Penalties should never benefit (as a strategy) the team causing the penalty. It's not protecting bad free throw shooters as much as it is simply attempting to make basketball actually about basketball again.
I mean heck, Pop pretty much popularized the "strategy" but he'll be the first to tell you how much he hates it at the same time. It's a loophole in the rules that was never meant to exist.
TheDrizzlerJ11
Member
The solution just came to me following a bong rip. Once the same player has been fouled 5 times, any1 who is on the court can shoot his free throws if he gets fouled anymore.
It's perfect.
It's perfect.
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