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NBA commissioner changes stance, says changes are needed in regards to hack-a-player
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arts&crafts
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I watch a lot of basketball, and I didnt watch this game so I dont know who is shooting the FT, but why would Noel foul someone during a FT? Best case scenario the FT shooter misses and Drummond gets 2 more FT he misses both and then Philly gets the ball back by battling for the rebound. Instead of just battling for the rebound like a C does 100% of the time. In this scenario, if the guy scored the FT it would still be a foul on Noel and They would get another FT or the ball back or something I dont even now because the above play is so stupid.
My point is this is a poor example of a hack-a-player and really just a bad basketball play from philly (but they are a bad team so this understandable) This doesnt happen in the NBA outside of this one play. No one fouls before the shot is even determined a hit or miss.
TheDrizzlerJ11
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Nah they'd just do it over and over until it's a TO. It'd almost incentivize it.
I'm telling you guys my solution is perfect.
Basileus777
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No, that'd benefit players in non-intentional foul situations. Like some wing player with mediocre FT shooting that is good at drawing fouls could have some role player shoot his FTs. And if you're limiting to 5 intentional fouls, that's still way too much garbage to watch.
darkazcura
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Philly was shooting the free throws. You don't need to watch the game to know that.
Opposing players are always under and closest to the rim on free throws. Defensive teams get the rebound 95% (probably even higher with Drummond under there) of the time on free throws, and Drummond already had position to get the rebound, hence Noel immediately fouled. Players like Drummond, Noel, etc have been having their backs jumped on at the free throw line in precisely this manner quite a few times this season. It's not a joke between players.Honestly I think that was the best solution. For fouls off the ball and in the bonus, the team getting fouled should be allowed to have the shot clock reset to 14 (if below 14) and inbound the ball instead of shooting. It would curb hack a player type fouls instantly, I think.
arts&crafts
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Philly was shooting the free throws. You don't need to watch the game to know that.
Ohhhhh haha this is funny but still a poor basketball move, wouldnt you rather player defense and deny giving up any points instead of giving up most of the time at least 1 point? Either way, sucks they are changing the rules for drummond.
tiggerkiddo
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Would be nice if these big men would stop being lazy and learn how to shoot a stupid free throw but oh well. It was really annoying to watch unfold, even if it was kinda funny watching how badly the big man would screw up the shot.
But then they would foul out. It'd be worth it in a close game but it wouldn't work if there is a decent lead.
darkazcura
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Think about it like this. If you give up 1 point in one possession, you are effectively giving up 100 points per 100 possessions. Teams that score 100 points per 100 possessions are usually ranked in the bottom 5 of offenses. Statistically most teams would take that kind of advantage every day all day because typically Detroit scores 102.5 points per 100 possessions. You are effectively turning them into a bottom 3 offense for one possession by putting players like Drummond at the line. For someone who shoots 35% at the FT line, there's a decent shot they will miss both. Hopefully that makes sense.
arts&crafts
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haha I know, but that plan won't work because A: The players would all foul out before we got there and the game would be over by default and B: This is assuming Drummond scores only 1 of 2 FT or less every time and Det never gets 1 offensive rebound on all the misses. In theory hack-a-shaq works but not in practice, at least not when done a lot as we have seen this season. I personally am all for hack-a-shaq. Especially in a close 4th quarter it can be like a game of chess. Do you choose to play your good rebounders who cant hit FT or switch em out, ect.
darkazcura
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Yeah, I'm not actually talking about doing it for the whole game. I'm mainly explaining why it is beneficial to give up 1 point in a possession rather than playing straight D. That's why teams do it in the 4th quarter when trying to catch up. There are only 5 teams in the league that give up less than 100 points per 100 possessions. Those are the only teams who can reasonably say it makes no sense to do "hack a player," and it's because they are so good on defense. Funny enough, 4 of those 5 teams use the "hack a player" strategy pretty commonly still when they probably don't have to for most teams.
Anyway, I personally hate the hack a shaq strategy. I think it turns basketball into something it's not.
arts&crafts
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They get fined like $25,000!.....after like 6 warnings.....and $25,000 to them is about $10 dollars to us normal folk.
daemissary
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I hate that it makes basketball less watchable but changing the rules because 3 players in the NBA suck at free throws is ridiculous.
Learn to make free throws or continue to cost your team wins.
Learn to make free throws or continue to cost your team wins.
To me, "assumed" fouls/superstar are the real problem. James harden driving and missin a layup? Foul, despite him not getting touched. Refs have their whistle in their mouth and blow it without actually seeing a foul. The Miami/Dallas nba finals in 06 were the epitome of this, Wade probably had 8+ points a game he didn't earn as he got free throws with literally nobody touching him.
Bc a couple centers can't make a a damn shot most people can make 60%+ of is not a good basis for a rule change.
Bc a couple centers can't make a a damn shot most people can make 60%+ of is not a good basis for a rule change.
Ninja Scooter
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Replace free throws with a dance competition.
unholyrevenger72
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as some one who doesn't follow basketball, i need context for this gif
Shaq improved his free throw shooting.
Fouling shouldn't be a legit strategy in any sport. It just ruins the momentum of a game. They should make it after so many fouls any player from the team gets to shoot, shoot 1 then get back possession after X amount of fouls, or just have the team have a choice to shoot or get back the possession with a new clock. That should discourage teams from abusing the rules.
A few relevant rules first:
- Eventually, if a player is fouled anywhere on the court, he gets to take two free throws.
- If they go in, the opposing team gets posession. If they don't, the opposing team is positioned on court such that they'll almost definitely get the rebound, and thus, get possession anyway.
Therefore, it makes strategic sense that, if you want posession of the ball, just deliberately foul a player who sucks at free throws, he'll miss at least one, maybe both shots, you then get possession and the likely chance of scoring at least two points up the other end, therefore giving your team a net increase in score.
The gif is just that fouling in action. The guy who's getting jumped on, Drummond, is the shitty shooter, and Noel is just deliberately fouling him in the most obvious way to the refs so the least amount of time's wasted.
Number 0 was actually a spy for the blue team.
Successful infiltrations of other teams are worth 5 points.
No. I do not support this at all.
Even as a Lakers fan that went through the hack-a-Shaq era, one year with hack-a-Howard, etc, the hack-a-player is a legit strategy. What kind of sport actually changes the rules of the game of very few players who lack the skill of making a wide open free throw?
You want the hacking to stop? The simple idea is make the damn free throw, then they will stop fouling. The game shouldn't be changed just because Andre Drummond can't make more than 35% (which is awful to epic proportions that makes even Shaq look like Steve Nash) at the line. You're an NBA player, a professional, free throws are apart of the game and need to be treated as such.
A rule change to a sport to compensate the very few players's lack of skill is very stupid IMO.
Even as a Lakers fan that went through the hack-a-Shaq era, one year with hack-a-Howard, etc, the hack-a-player is a legit strategy. What kind of sport actually changes the rules of the game of very few players who lack the skill of making a wide open free throw?
You want the hacking to stop? The simple idea is make the damn free throw, then they will stop fouling. The game shouldn't be changed just because Andre Drummond can't make more than 35% (which is awful to epic proportions that makes even Shaq look like Steve Nash) at the line. You're an NBA player, a professional, free throws are apart of the game and need to be treated as such.
A rule change to a sport to compensate the very few players's lack of skill is very stupid IMO.
SomedayTheFire
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That gif is HILARIOUS
LyleLanley
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http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/614/shaquille-oneal
Not really. By the way I think it's hilarious that Shaqs page on ESPN shows him in a Celtics jersey.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Even better with the audio in the link I provided.
Shaq shot 52% for his career. Drummond is at 35% this year.
PrimaNocta
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Thank god. As a basketball fan, nothing takes the excitement out of a game like watching someone shoot free throws for 5 straight possessions. I haven't thought about this enough to know what would be the best solution, but anything that doesn't slow the game down to a crawl is ok with me.
Yep. DeAndre Jordan as well is also worse than Shaq. This year Jordan is 42% at the line while being a career 42% FT shooter. His best year was when he shot 52% which was like 4 or 5 years ago.
There is no scenario in which all players foul out. If you have only 5 players left, they can foul 100 times and won't foul out.
This is correct.
In fact, it happened two years ago with a player named Robert Sacre. In the 4th quarter, he committed his 6th foul of the game but the Lakers only had the 5 players available on the court for them. So Sacre stayed and finished the game.
Video proof:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=q9a9aq2nXYo
And LOL at the Cavs commentators.
andthebeatgoeson
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And intentional fouls would be just fouls away from the action?
GoutPatrol
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I was going to say after X number of team fouls a quarter, a designated player gets to shoot the free throws. But would work.
GraveRobberX
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Could a ref just eject a player for this shit?
Officerrob
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I'm really not of fan of altering the game because a couple of guys can't hit a free throw
It should get a Flagrant, which could lead to a suspension.
Chezzymann
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No, that's when a team is down and they have to foul or the other team runs the clock out. There's currently rules in place that make you only able to send a player who has possession of the ball to the free throw line in the final two minutes, I'm pretty sure this was made in response to hack a shaq. The current problem is that outside of those final two minutes people are hacking bad free throw players away from the ball (sometimes before they can even inbound the ball) to give their team momentum
The fuck?
We're changing a years-long rule because three players can't make their damn FTs?
The fuck?
Teams aren't allowed to punish player's weaknesses anymore?
The fuck?
People are salty because they lost one game instead of telling their favorite player to practice?
The fuck?
It's degrading the spectator experience?
The fuck?
Fuck spectators, just tell Dwight and DeAndre to git gud and move on with it.
We're changing a years-long rule because three players can't make their damn FTs?
The fuck?
Teams aren't allowed to punish player's weaknesses anymore?
The fuck?
People are salty because they lost one game instead of telling their favorite player to practice?
The fuck?
It's degrading the spectator experience?
The fuck?
Fuck spectators, just tell Dwight and DeAndre to git gud and move on with it.
Jack Scofield
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If a player fouls someone, give the other team three points.
The problem for me is this, fouling is illegal. You get penalized for fouling. A foul is something that gets called when you break a rule of the game. The point of the game ideally would be to not foul and to play every possession clean.
So by employing a strategy of fouling you are intentionally breaking the rules. I don't watch every sport but it's the only sport I know that breaking the rules has been encouraged and can be an effective strategy for victory or coming back at the ends of the game. All purposefully commited fouls in my opinion, should be penalized more harshly. You should never be able to come back or gain an advantage in any sport by breaking the rules.
You can't purposefully bean players in baseball and get rewarded for it. You can't skip second base and still get a run. In football, pass interference doesn't reward the defense with the ball. Commiting a false start doesn't give you a point. Obviously it's not exactly one to one comparisons because the sports are different but I always found it dumb that doing something against the rules in basketball can help your team win. It's a flaw in the game.
So by employing a strategy of fouling you are intentionally breaking the rules. I don't watch every sport but it's the only sport I know that breaking the rules has been encouraged and can be an effective strategy for victory or coming back at the ends of the game. All purposefully commited fouls in my opinion, should be penalized more harshly. You should never be able to come back or gain an advantage in any sport by breaking the rules.
You can't purposefully bean players in baseball and get rewarded for it. You can't skip second base and still get a run. In football, pass interference doesn't reward the defense with the ball. Commiting a false start doesn't give you a point. Obviously it's not exactly one to one comparisons because the sports are different but I always found it dumb that doing something against the rules in basketball can help your team win. It's a flaw in the game.
The fouling team is getting penalized, though. The fouled player is getting two of the easiest shots in basketball to make. Whether he can make them or not is on him.
Ok, but you are still intentionally breaking the rules and gaining an advantage for it. Same at the end of the game, the clock stops, giving the trailing team an advantage and more time to catch up. You shouldn't get rewarded for not following the rules of the game. I love basketball and I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to employ this strategy necessarily, but I think it's a pretty obvious flaw.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Get rid of it. It's brutal to watch and hurts the overall quality of the product.
Doesn't need a fancy solution either, just give the team thats fouled the option to decline to shoot free throws and take the ball out of bounds as if its a non bonus situation (you dont get this option under 2 minutes, traditional intentional foul rules would apply there).
Doesn't need a fancy solution either, just give the team thats fouled the option to decline to shoot free throws and take the ball out of bounds as if its a non bonus situation (you dont get this option under 2 minutes, traditional intentional foul rules would apply there).
timetokill
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Choice of free throws or new possession with reset shot clock. Done.
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