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NBA Finals 2017 |OT| Same As It Ever Was
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Cracklox
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He's from not far from me. I might be able to track down, say his dads number. He could put you in touch I'm sure
My favorite Delly moment: shutting down and dominating Steph for a half in game 3, 2015, right when the Steph Curry supernova stuff was going on
lets not mention the second half though...
The Bucks stint probably hasn't been amazing, especially considering what they paid, but when the team have a young 6 foot 11 dude with a 7 4 wingspan, who can handle the ball, has court vision and can run an offense pretty well, watareyougunnado?
johancruijff
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'morning
are we annoyed by another blowout or nah?
are we annoyed by another blowout or nah?
I think it was still like within 12 early in the third so it wasn't to bad.
LegendofDragoonLives
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both iggy and kd can guard Kyrie better than Klay can, they can also stop him instead of containing him.
-tetsuo-
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I guess you didnt watch game 1 of the 2017 NBA Finals
Hyperactivity
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Stahp with this stupid narrative
Klay was great on Kyrie
Mix Master
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I wonder if LeBron is thinking retirement right now. I mean the Warriors are going to be this good for the next 4 years at minimum. Dude is getting really old with alot of minutes.
LyleLanley
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I'd be shocked if he doesn't retire directly after game 4.
DasPenguin
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Let's put it this way: if the Cavs had someone like Spoelstra, for example, coaching this team, their chances of winning would improve quite a lot.
Many mediocre ex players turn out to be great coaches, but Lue is no Pat Riley. He hasn't shown anything that would suggest that he is.
Taking the easiest route epitomizes competitiveness.
Honestly looking at how bad the bench played and how many damn turnovers the Cavs had
the series can still be competitive
it's just fucking dumb that they have to play at a 95%+ clip to just maybe beat the warriors
whereas the Warriors just felt like they were maybe utilizing 75% of their energy this game
the disparity is real
If Spoelstra was Cavs head coach honestly
I'd take Cavs in 5
dude is a mastermind
the series can still be competitive
it's just fucking dumb that they have to play at a 95%+ clip to just maybe beat the warriors
whereas the Warriors just felt like they were maybe utilizing 75% of their energy this game
the disparity is real
If Spoelstra was Cavs head coach honestly
I'd take Cavs in 5
dude is a mastermind
I can't take 2 more years of these two teams in the finals........thats boring as fuck.
No one is taking Lebron in the east anytime soon and its obvious......sorry folks but the Celtics are not close to winning anything, they are not a good team yet. The gap between the celtics and cavs was already huge.
Warriors with KD stating he would take a pay cut to keep the warriors core together means at least everyone in that starting lineup is locked and players will chase easy rings with that young team.
The only team yet again next year that will challenge the warriors is going to be the Spurs especially if they can lure chris paul there for 1 or 2 years.
Why do they let teams get stacked this bad. What is the actual point of watching basketball outside of 1 series in the playoffs and then the NBA finals?
If the Cavs get swept I hope the ratings are shit to force the league to do something.
No one is taking Lebron in the east anytime soon and its obvious......sorry folks but the Celtics are not close to winning anything, they are not a good team yet. The gap between the celtics and cavs was already huge.
Warriors with KD stating he would take a pay cut to keep the warriors core together means at least everyone in that starting lineup is locked and players will chase easy rings with that young team.
The only team yet again next year that will challenge the warriors is going to be the Spurs especially if they can lure chris paul there for 1 or 2 years.
Why do they let teams get stacked this bad. What is the actual point of watching basketball outside of 1 series in the playoffs and then the NBA finals?
If the Cavs get swept I hope the ratings are shit to force the league to do something.
friskykillface
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Celtics Lakers 2020
We back 😎
Jefferson, 2 Williams, Fyre, Korver are all gone this off season
Incoming Melo 👀
Hot take from last series is still true, Cavs defense is shit, Celtics couldn't hit their open shots , Warriors can and have enough fire power to contain Kyrie x LeBron
If Celtics could go up 15 in Cleveland x come back from 21 down , what will the Warriors do 😨
We back 😎
Jefferson, 2 Williams, Fyre, Korver are all gone this off season
Incoming Melo 👀
Hot take from last series is still true, Cavs defense is shit, Celtics couldn't hit their open shots , Warriors can and have enough fire power to contain Kyrie x LeBron
If Celtics could go up 15 in Cleveland x come back from 21 down , what will the Warriors do 😨
Never be down 21...
LegendofDragoonLives
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I don't wanna hear any garbage excuses from leStans. Lebron has been stacking the deck for half his career and only started winning when he did it. KD just out Lebroned Lebron at his own game.
Makes sense why general nba fans are pissed, just don't want to hear this from Lebron fans 😭 because he got beat at his own game.
Also this series is nowhere from being over, just one game. If Cavs plan is just to focus on the 3pt shot though,KD is gonna average 40. That KD dunk where both players head towards off the ball Steph was embarrassing D.
friskykillface
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Max Barnes still gets the W
One championship
All that $$$$$$$
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Curse of the Delly almost in effect
One championship
All that $$$$$$$
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Curse of the Delly almost in effect
Vault Dweller 111
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Is this a meme?
natjjohn
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Spurs with Chris Paul still lose to the Warriors barring of course injuries. Should those injuries occur, the spurs would lose to the Cavs.
Celts/Spurs/any other NBA steam is meaningless right now outside of the Cavs and Warriors, and really just the Warriors. This series will cement it outside of the fans that want to believe their team is somehow relevant.
Of course anything could happen (injuries, etc.), but that's unlikely. Boston probably could make things interesting if they were willing to ship the Nets picks and a young asset (Jaylon Brown) to net a superstar (George, Butler) and probably more; however, Ainge won't do such a deal IMO. Instead, Celts will remain one of the 28 irrelevant teams in the NBA.
Celts/Spurs/any other NBA steam is meaningless right now outside of the Cavs and Warriors, and really just the Warriors. This series will cement it outside of the fans that want to believe their team is somehow relevant.
Of course anything could happen (injuries, etc.), but that's unlikely. Boston probably could make things interesting if they were willing to ship the Nets picks and a young asset (Jaylon Brown) to net a superstar (George, Butler) and probably more; however, Ainge won't do such a deal IMO. Instead, Celts will remain one of the 28 irrelevant teams in the NBA.
LyleLanley
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I'm not sure if that even makes things interesting for the league. An IT/Hayward/PG13/Hortford team might beat the Cavs but they're still probably not beating a healthy Warriors. May as well build a team that can compete in 5+ years.
mashoutposse
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The only real defensive adjustment for Lue is whether he wants to see Kevin Durant win Finals MVP or Curry.
Nah he should join Steph in Bay Area
Wouldn't the easiest route be to join an underperforming small market team like say Orlando or Phoenix? That way you don't have to worry about the playoffs, you don't have play best of 7s every year against the top teams in your conference, you have little to no expectations put on you so you can just show up and sell jerseys to the home crowd and that's enough. Put up nice individual stats and call it a career.
If he's not competitive, it seems like that would be way "easier" than joining a team full of superstars who are guaranteed to go deep into the playoffs every year and to be the most studied and hated team in the league.
Old Man Bron off the bench behind KD
Hyperactivity
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Lue's no crazy good coach, but he still is a good coach. He beat Kerr in the coaching game last finals, he's a classic player's coach with the respect of his locker room, and he's great ATO
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6e8ndx/ty_lue_has_a_notebook_of_plays_and_atos_he_keeps/
u/CiFiniamo said:
Looking back at last night's game, from before I fell asleep, some core ideas might still work out. The Cavs are still roughing up Curry. They're doing what the Spurs did the Rockets and Warriors with staying home on the shooters.
Letting Kevin Durant score more inside might be some form of what the Spurs occasionally did with Harden - give him the shot, but not the other players. I don't know if it can tire him out with the Dubs (he gets to rest so much more), but perhaps luring him into old habits is another goal of that strategy.
That being said, unlike the Spurs, they don't have huge bigs to just collapse and protect the rim. Some form of what the Spurs did, in just giving up the mid-range entirely, might work though, although the Dubs will still shoot those shots, and make them.
The turnovers were horrendous, and sloppy, and honestly might be the biggest thing they can improve. Can't give a team that deadly in transition so many turnovers.
Deron Williams and Kyle Korver were maybe overwhelmed by the moment, idk. But they have to step up more for that bench. Korver is honestly an x-factor for this Cavs team, if he gets hot he can help immensely with matching the Dubs' shooting.
Richard Jefferson is not who he was a year ago. Him being Lebron's replacement exacerbates the issue of Lebron being off the court. I honestly wonder if something like playing Shumpert, JR, or Korver at the 3 with Love and TT out there might not be a better solution.
The big 3 played well. Main improvement on their end has to be those Lebron turnovers, they were BAD.
Tristan Thompson maybe confuses me the most. Tbh, looking at Kevin Love's 21 rebounds and LeBron's 15, this might just be one of those cases where he is boxing out properly and letting his teammates get the ball, but he only played 22 minutes, so I'm pretty sure the Cavs agree with me in saying he didn't play well. Which might be the 2nd easiest/most fixable thing the Cavs need to work on to improve.
The Cavs defense, at least the strategy, to me seems like on paper is fine but suffers from miscommunication errors on containing all those dunks and drives. To some extent, they definitely seem more willing to give up drives than allow ball movement and 3s to take over, but they still can't leave them that wide open, and it felt like there was supposed to be someone rotating over to Durant while everyone else stayed home on many of those plays.
That being said, damn did Harrison Barnes improve. So much for all the Dubs fans not wanting to give him a max, hell, he even grew to 7 ft!
tl;dr: Cavs' biggest issue was dumb turnovers, role players not showing up, and what seems like miscommunication to contest drives. Strategy seems alright.
Ayyyy lol
Ball has a real chance to become the greatest Laker of all time.
Yes. Possibly even better than Cedric Ceballos.
CopperPuppy
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I did not expect the takes to be this hot.
Cracklox
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That's a big call. Lonzo would probably trip over one of his little bros if he tried to dunk 'blind' folded
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The Greek Freak
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Yup.
Literally the only thing Lue is better at than Blatt is kissing Lebron's and the media's asses.
Their D has been trash since Blatt left.
PadWarrior
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Lol!
Is Derrick Williams hurt? Why doesn't Lue play him?
Their defense sucks because they're old, JR,Bron,Frye, Deron, Korver, and RJ are all 30+. A lot of them were never known to be elite defenders throughout their careers.
Kyrie, Tristan and Shumpert are the only young guys in their rotation.
Game would've been alot closer if CLE wasn't so careless with the ball. I think at one point they had like 17 more shot attempts and were only up like 10pts. Cavs also gave up far to often trying to defend Durant. Anytime he got like 3-4 strides away from a lane they seem to just put their head down and get ready to inbound. I don't see how anybody actually watching can say Finals Curry isn't a real thing. I know what the box says but the PbP shows he was mediocre and shrunk for large parts of the night. Only to wake up when the game became unreachable.
PadWarrior
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Report | #Warriors coach Steve Kerr feeling better and could return for Game 2.
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Report | #Warriors coach Steve Kerr feeling better and could return for Game 2.
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LyleLanley
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Probably because he's Derrick Williams.
OG Shaka Zulu
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Pop should ghost coach the Cavs for the rest of the playoffs as revenge.
RareFantasy64
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I have faith in the Cavs
ryutaro's mama
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I'd feel better too after watching that beat down.
BadAss2961
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He should hang back while things are going well. Save his appearance for if/when the team needs a lift.
I want to see Mike Brown give LeBron this L anyway.
ryutaro's mama
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Klay and Draymond were offensively trash too and they still won by 23.
Scary shit.
Scary shit.
LyleLanley
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No coach wants Mike Brown leading their team to a championship. The ensuing takes would be scorching hot.
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