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In any case, the extra ball handling/point forward ability if Ingles makes him the better player offensively, imo
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Vault Dweller 111
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In all this discussion about efficiency, people are forgetting the biggest factors in what makes an efficient shot: whether they are open or not.
I think Crowder and Ingles are comparable players. I did not realize, however, that Crowder is 3+ years younger. That Ingles contract could be rough at the end.
I think Crowder and Ingles are comparable players. I did not realize, however, that Crowder is 3+ years younger. That Ingles contract could be rough at the end.
He's also a better defender. He's not a good athlete but he plays hard and has a high basketball IQ. He completely neutralized Redick in the first round of the playoffs.
I don't think he'll decline that much given he already is a below average athlete. His value is in his shooting, passing and basketball IQ, things you can maintain even when you lose a step.
Biggest issue is he is a liability in any matchup vs an athletic team. For instance he's basically only playable vs Golden State when Livingston is on the floor.
Vault Dweller 111
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That's just plain wrong. Klay did nothing against him, neither did Reddick.
I disagree. He actually is an above average defender due to his positioning and size. He played 20 plus minutes in every game against the Warriors in the second round. The Warriors never ran him off the floor or ran the Jazz team of the floor for that matter (at least not any more than they did against Cleveland).
Remaining pool of free agents
Its pretty much Gordon Hayward standing on a cliff edge
Hey Zach, Rajon, Hardaway jr: which one of you wants to be a champion? Call KD to pay your respects and you're in.
Pretty much by technicality. Getting open dunks is a lot more difficult than open 3s.
What the hell kind of move do you want? We need to rebuild. Should have sign and trade Melo years ago. Only thing Knicks should be looking into is getting picks and young players for as cheap as possible.
grandjedi6
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Is LeBron still on the team? Okay, you're doing great
Or alternatively: No one wants to GM the team LeBron is abandoning next year.
Lazy vs Crazy
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No, Fultz beat Fultz. He just didn't want to win. He doesn't have the heart.
The Dubs ran the Jazz off the floor in 2 of the 4 games they played (like, just obliterated them from the opening tip) and controlled game 1 tip to tip. The only game that was ever really in doubt at any point was Game 3 and GSW still won that going away in the 4th. Cleveland took one off the Dubs and should have taken 2. Even Game 5 was tight in the 4th before the Dubs finally blew it open. The two series were in no way comparable.
SAS?
Lionel Richie
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Crowder had a EFG% of 61.1 when tightly guarded. Ingles had a EFG% of 54.7 in the same situation.
We also established that both guys have been improving yearly, which means that your version of "math" is irrelevant because right now Crowder is a better scorer than Ingles and the yearly trends of his career show he will continue to be so and he's 3 years younger.
Crowder USG% was 17.0 last year. Ingles had an USG% of 13.9. Your first point is bullshit and you should research stuff before posting.
Celtics had a score frequency of 33.3% when Crowder was the handler in the PnR, against 34.0% with Ingles in that situation. Granted, Ingles was used much more frequently, but he was never used as a roll man, while Crowder was a few times and he scored respectably in that situation.
It is not. If our defenses are equal and my team has a higher TS% than yours, my team will win. If my SF has a higher TS% than yours, he's a better scorer. Ingles is a better passer, true, but Crowder is a better rebounder.
1 out of 3 seasons because Crowder is improving as a player. So is Ingles. Crowder could be improving at a higher rate, since he's younger and hitting his prime while Ingles is already there. Yeah, pure volume is a bad way to look at how players score the basketball, if only we had a statistic that told us how efficient they are at scoring.............
Crowder was a better scorer at a higher volume, better rebounder, had a comparable ast/to (2.1 for Ingles, 1.94 for Crowder), had a higher WS/48 and a much better rating according to 82games (+6.1 vs. +0.3).
Vault Dweller 111
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Who is this dude?
Caddywompus
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Gallinari looks to be a Clipper if they can iron out a S&T per Woj
He's not trustworthy.
MetalFearSolid
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Shams is reporting a three way trade
Sources: Clippers, Hawks, Nuggets working on trade of Danillo Gallinari to LA/Millsap to DEN; Jamal Crawford/Diamond Stone/future to Atlanta
Sources: Clippers, Hawks, Nuggets working on trade of Danillo Gallinari to LA/Millsap to DEN; Jamal Crawford/Diamond Stone/future to Atlanta
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Big3
Caddywompus
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And that first rd pick is supposedly the one received from HOU in the Paul deal.
Lionel Richie
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Gallo would have been a nice backup plan for Boston. Oh well.
Watching some highlights from the summer league game and holy shit Tatum looks very smooth. Like years beyond his age smooth. He will be a solid player, if he ends better than Fultz is debatable and unlikely early on, but I really doubt he won't be at least very productive.
Watching some highlights from the summer league game and holy shit Tatum looks very smooth. Like years beyond his age smooth. He will be a solid player, if he ends better than Fultz is debatable and unlikely early on, but I really doubt he won't be at least very productive.
darkwing-buck
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Tatum seems more likeable then Jaylen Brown. He seems NBA ready.
Hyperactivity
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Gallo getting signed means Celtics don't have their back up plan anymore 
Tatum is nowhere near the athlete Jaylen is. Conversely, he is much more polished offensively entering the league than Jaylen was.
darkwing-buck
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Tatum kinda reminds me of Brandon Roy.
panthapanda
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Don't want a sign a trade. Just go for the full tank. There's literally no point in competing atm.
Edit: unless there's picks involved.
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Jamal Crawford being able to just hoist more shots than he should is an asset of you want to tank.
As it stands the hawks could have accidentally stumbled into the 8th seed
You're also getting next year's rockets pick, which is ok I guess, better than nothing
Lionel Richie
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Damn yeah he does. It's the smoothness, the footwork, the relative ease operating the offense. I really hope his defense comes along somewhat, because I like a lot early on about his offense.
You're getting the Houston pick. Good move for them.
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If they had been willing to do the full 5 years last year for Horford they would have had him, Dwight, schroder, Garry Harris, and Taurean prince
Just running the salt in, don't mind me
Caddywompus
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Will Jamal bring his Children Without Hoverboards Charity in his return to ATL
panthapanda
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Just now looked into the details. Jamal deserves a shot at a title. I guess I'm cool with the move. ATL just needs to tank at his point. Jamal will help win a couple of games for sure lol.
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He will will you to an occasional win and then help you lose a bunch of games too
Although apparently he wants a buy-out, doesnt want to be with the hawks
LyleLanley
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Wow, thank God Ainge passed on that bust Fultz.
Tatym is the next Melo isn't he?
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panthapanda
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Which I'm fine with. Hawks have no business winning games at this point. I'm sure there's a good relationship between the two but,like I said, Jamal deserves a shot with a contender.
Hawks just need to get the tank ready. No roster moves at this point will get them into a championship team 2-3 years from now. Just develop our young guys and go.
Hasn't he been on a contender for the last five years?
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panthapanda
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You right. I'm just saying. He deserves a shot. Not some sorry ass team like the Hawks will be lol.
he can't help that Blake or Paul gets hurt every time in the playoffs
Frozenprince
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If Hayward stay's in Utah.
God damn Danny.
God damn Danny.