I just don't see it, honestly. I can get behind his passing, which is good, but he has major red flags to me.
He is nothing comparable to Kidd, I agree.
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I just don't see it, honestly. I can get behind his passing, which is good, but he has major red flags to me.
He is nothing comparable to Kidd, I agree.
This notion that okay or could've been a beast years ago? Nah I don't buy it. He doesn't play defense at all.
Only red flags to me are his defense and his pull up jumper
Standing still he's fine
Elton Brand
Eddy Curry
Oak coulda fit in there
He also hasn't shown the ability to run a half court offense consistently. Can't create much either.
See I don't consider them beasts,like at all. Brand? Maybe, he racked in blocks and rebounds. curry? not even close. Okafor also can't really rebound or block very well which is strange given his size. He just doesn't care.
There's also his size and overall 3 point shooting.
Size? His size is fine. Do you mean frame?
He...he's 6'5 and was a great 3 point shooter...
But he woulda fit in, beast is overusing it but he woulda been an all star probably. Man just sucks tho
Yeah he definitely could've fit in a curry role, which isn't saying much, but the knicks would still be there to overpay for him.
Lionel Richie
Member
Sweet baby Jesus the idea of having Butler playing in a team with actual floor spacing and an offensive plan is a basketball dream.
Fuck that, balky knees, diva attitude, close to 30? He's not getting us by the warriors, heLL not even the Cavs. Why give up your future for another conference finals exit? Build towards the future when this warriors team is cooling and LeBron is winding down. This warriors team took a lot of things falling their way, unlikely we'll see anything on this level ever again.
I'd be a diva too if I had to deal with that shitty ass FO the Bulls have.
I thought you were talking about Fox for some reason.
Statistically Ball was a good defender in college and his half court issues are more of a sample size thing due to how UCLA played so we don't really know how he is there.
Ball mainly scores off threes, cuts, and at the rim aka the most efficient ways to score.
Statistics? Bruh my eyes tell me defensively he and Dame may be equals
He's definitely better than Lillard, especially if you put him on a wing.
Those are effective ways to score but ones you expect from a role player
Lionel Richie
Member
His coach is a moron, he plays in a shit team that's run by complete idiots. Not sure about his knees, but he'd be the best player in Boston by a ridiculous amount. He's younger than Curry and Durant, not sure how age is a caveat. And he could be a building block towards getting past the Cavs, seriously the second Lebron slows down just a bit that team is fucked. No team is getting past the current Warriors squad fully healthy, but injuries do happen and shit changes. Who knows. Tough to call coming out of this draft with Jackson, Butler and the 2018 Nets pick anything but a success.
Because by the time they're at an age to decline Butler will be on the tail end.
He defended Fultz pretty well in their head to head
I don't think y'all know what the eye test is lmao
Lazy vs Crazy
Member
Don't do it Danny, Butler isn't gonna get you past the Cavs.
My eyes watched Lonzo play
Defensively he doesn't move well laterally, he isn't the fastest player. Like these are things your eyes can tell you
I ain't know Harden was a role player
Hitta reincarnated
silver.tongue
Member
Somehow this still isn't stupid enough to reach hitta levels
Like, he may have the Westbrook problem. Has ability to be an actual good defender, but just gambles and refuses to keep his man in front of him
I miss him and his takes troll or not
Rondo's entire career.
You would still have a young core of Jackson, Jaylen, and the 2018 Nets pick that would be just hitting their prime at that point. If you could come away from this draft with Jimmy Butler and Josh Jackson and still keep next year's Nets pick I think you have to seriously consider it.
Lonzo is just a weird and polarizing prospect. He doesn't play the way people expect when you think of a good NBA guard, but he's historically efficient and is good at the things the NBA is trending towards.
Lionel Richie
Member
Maybe. Listen, I'm a huge Fultz fan and I think he's going to be a grade A superstar. I'm trying to talk myself into having a positive view here lol.
Not sure I agree here, I could see the Cavs regressing a bit next year. It's obviously not a sure thing because Lebron, but at some point in the near future it is happening, their window is significantly shorter than the Warriors.
Not playoff Rondo
Playoff Rondo the goat
Kareem Abdul-Jawho?
He's no Playoff Rondo no siree
The result is still the same. You lose in the conference finals.
darkwing-buck
Member
Random question, but how do you guys think Prime Orlando Dwight Howard would fare in today's shooter era? I know it hasn't even been a decade yet but it seems like today's game is different then it was a couple of years ago.
Give him better shooters than a roided up Lewis, Turk, Skip to my Lou, Pietrus, and that team could get to the finals
Watching footage of young Dwight...that broaf shouldered, teenage girl fucking sumbitch was a beast. Caught the very tail end of his prime.
There was a prime Howard?
My mom had such a crush on him it was hilarious watching her swoon over someone. That being said those shooters we're deadly the year they went to the finals. If KG hadn't blown his knee they wouldn't have got that far though.
Cornbread78
Member
So Boston gonna have
It
Bradley
Butler
Horford
Okafor
as a starting 5?
It
Bradley
Butler
Horford
Okafor
as a starting 5?
Where's Hayward?
Where are we, the very beginning of the 2016-17 NBA season where trades for both them players were supposed to be there?
Cornbread78
Member
I'm guessing no salary room with Butler and Okafor being added. What's Okafor at?
Seriously.. Could have done this trade last year, but Jae bro..
Yes. I think they rather give up a future first than give up Saric.
I thought Okafor would be going to Chicago in this trade
either way Zizic would likely be our center, Hayward would fit in somewhere, move Horford to a different position
Understandable given how well he played this year.
Idk Butler's contract is part of the appeal. Besides okafor would not be here.
You are correct. Okafor would be going to the Bulls.
Cornbread78
Member
Gotcha.
Yeah, they can cut loose from it next year and have abosolutly nothing though...
So, more like:
IT
Butler
Hayward
Horford
Zizac
Bradley/Brown off the bench.