Nope
I know summer league means shit, I think most people do
And again I can see him struggle early on in the regular/pre season-NBA as well
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I know summer league means shit, I think most people do
And again I can see him struggle early on in the regular/pre season-NBA as well
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Lonzo Air Ball
GravityInsanity
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If this guy doesn't show up today, I'll consider him a bust.
Hyperactivity
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https://youtu.be/6L4TVhNBNDY
https://youtu.be/0D1RhW83NX8
Zhou Qi is gonna be a project, for sure, but i really like his jumper and soft touch and if he just bulks up a little I think he might look like a steal in a year or two. It would be nice to have him at that point right now, but he's going to be a nice player to pull up from the G-league while we are still contending with harden and Paul but struggle a little more to get youth and role players
He's also not some lumbering big center without a feel for the game, which could have been a worry with some international prospects
Tbh, I think we're gonna play him as a 3/4. Chinese KD incoming
EDIT: The curse of D'Lo is why Lonzo struggled and will now be a bust.
https://youtu.be/0D1RhW83NX8
Zhou Qi is gonna be a project, for sure, but i really like his jumper and soft touch and if he just bulks up a little I think he might look like a steal in a year or two. It would be nice to have him at that point right now, but he's going to be a nice player to pull up from the G-league while we are still contending with harden and Paul but struggle a little more to get youth and role players
He's also not some lumbering big center without a feel for the game, which could have been a worry with some international prospects
Tbh, I think we're gonna play him as a 3/4. Chinese KD incoming
EDIT: The curse of D'Lo is why Lonzo struggled and will now be a bust.
Thats a pretty bad stat line by Zo, Magic should sign a mentor for him to take the pressure off or the media will rip him apart
Or just stop pretending he's a PG and play him at SG.
The realization that Lonzo is ultimately a 2 wouldn't surprise me eventually, but that locks you into very, very specific point guard needs to complement him (i.e. someone who can create off the dibble and is also elite defensively which describes like only a handful of PG's in the league right now).
Being able to create off the dribble is PG101 thats not that specific, its the job description. Defensively most rookies suck so i wouldnt worry about it. Ball has solid tools and will get better.
Hyperactivity
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I've gone from thinking that Zhou qi might stay the full year in the G-league to thinking he might sometimes see legit NBA minutes in this season
Fuck I shouldn't be so excited over a summer league game
Fuck I shouldn't be so excited over a summer league game
Maybe!
George Claw M.D.
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Zaza returning to GSW for 1yr $3.5M. JaVale the last one I have any interest in seeing what will happen to. Don't care about Clark, Barnes, or McAdios.
darkwing-buck
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ended my friendship with zubac, now thomas bryant is my best friend
Retaining JaVale may mean being too deep which could result in discomfort and pain. The Warriors should be cautious and attentive to the league's reaction on this one, maybe let JaVale go,
but not to Houston.
In the full court he is Kidd, Rubio, Paul type of break runner. The problem I always had with him is running pick and roll in the halfcourt. You can see that below average in the pick and roll which is weird because the best passers usually destroy teams passing out of the pick and roll. Reminds me of Jason Williams who didn't get consistent at running pick and roll until years into his career.
He's not good in the halfcourt unless he's offball which is weird
Peter Ian Staker
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Every time anyone would compare him to Rubio or Kidd because of his funky jumpshot, Lonzo fans went mad saying the shot will translate to the NBA.
We will have to see about that. The fact he can only shoot going one way isn't encouraging.
Vault Dweller 111
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Doesn't sound like a #2 overall pick in a loaded draft.
Hockey assists shoulda been counted
friskykillface
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Lakers will spend their free agent money to money hat hockey assists
Magic doing it
Magic doing it
Vault Dweller 111
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There are guys who have been really good at seeing things develop. Too early to say if Ball is on that level because the game was too fast for him.
That would actually be very easy to do. You would use ball tracking technology and measure the average speed of the ball's horizontal movement while a player was on the court. The faster the ball moves, the better the team is passing.
His open court skills are obvious. You can't teach court vision. He flat out looked like ass on defense and very underwhelming running the show in half court though.
He was going to end up making 15mill a year so it isn't a big over pay. The problem is that we traded him away only to sign him back and have to slightly overpay for him.
Peter Ian Staker
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Hawks are blowing it up. He is all yours.
That how he scores with the ball in his hands in the half court.
Honestly his stat line doesn't matter. What is worrying is that the game was too fast for him. Overall he didn't look good in the halfcourt which has always been a problem for him. In the half court he couldn't get off a juumpshot without a pick. He had problems getting by his man off the dribble. He is not good in the pick and roll and he really needs it as his handle just isn't good enough to consistently beat guys of the dribble. He just looked bad running the offense. I just didn't see that Terrell Brandon, Jason Kidd, Ricky Rubio, Steve Nash, or Scotty Pippen type of ability to make something happen when he had the ball. Which is bad because a lot of people are saying that he has it.
Ninja Scooter
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Locking up $70 million for a mediocre guard is a terrible overpay. Hardaway doesn't do any one thing great. Any team worth a shit should be able to find an average ass shooting guard out of the D-League for a fraction of the cost.
AgentChris
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But was he drunk?
If the guys in the D league were average NBA players they wouldn't be in the D league.
CommanderBuck
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Wow these first game hot takes. Lonzo is going to be fine.
Ninja Scooter
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Some of them just need an opportunity. I'd wager there are a decent number of guys toiling away (especially SG/combo guards, which seem to fall off trees) that if given the minutes and green light that Hardaway Jr. got last season, could probably give you 14/2/2 on 45/35% shooting, or at least something close to it, for a fraction of the cost. It's a horrid contract. If you are that desperate for an average SG, draft one late or try and find one in the D-league is what I'm saying. Especially if you are a lottery team.
Horrid based on what? Otto Porter is about to make 25mill a year. Reddick is making 23mill next year. Hardaway contract would be a huge over pay in 2015. In today's market he isn't overpaid
LeroyPantwether
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Whats the D league ?
Ninja Scooter
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Otto Porter is a better player than Hardaway Jr. Far better. More versatile. Younger. Shot 43% from three. Reddick's is a one year deal which is why Philly would probably acknowledge it's an overpay for one year. If someone wanted to give Hardaway a one year balloon contract it wouldn't be as bad. Dion Waiters is a far better player too and he signed for $20 million less in total money. Locking in that much money (18% of the cap) on mediocre ass Tim Hardaway for multiple years is an awful contract.
Also you are thinking in last year's terms with regards to the cap. There's been a contraction. The cap actually went backwards. Teams aren't spending willy nilly and throwing money around because the smart ones realize that bubble burst and cap space will be at a premium again. The Knicks now have a huge chunk of that contracted cap locked into Tim fucking Hardaway JR and Joakim Noah's corpse and both of those deals are likely untradable. Good luck with that, NY.
NBA development league, now the Gatorade G League. Basically what it said, it's a development system for younger players who teams don't see as ready for the NBA yet. A lot of those that play in it are going to be trash; it's not really used as a league to develop the young players but as a place to keep talent signed to you that you don't care about it. The decent young players usually skip it.
Nigga gets traded to the Hawks from Knicks, does fine, gets picked back up from the Knkcks
Otto Porter, DW, THJ are all around the same level of player right now. The 3 of them are just supporting pieces at this point. Their salaries they are going to end up with have more to do with how good teams think they will be not the just the current level they are at now.
I mean the cap didn't go backwards, it went from 94 to 99 million this offseason, it just didn't go up as much as the projections stated before the season began, or even as much as the later projections thought either due to the owners spending so much last offseason and not enough playoff games.
But yes, the Hardaway Jr. deal is without question a terrible overpay and just bad overall, as there's no upside for the Knicks. Either he performs up to it and is properly paid, he doesn't provide enough and under performs it, or he over performs and gets to opt out anyway due to a player option on it.
This isn't helpful to say without quantifying it somehow.
Ninja Scooter
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lmao Otto Porter and THJ are not "around the same level of player". Even Waiters is better than he is.
Correct. I just mean that it really curtailed teams' free spending ways from last season.
MetalFearSolid
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Man those Lonzo-MCW comparisons might be spot on