darkwing-buck
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Can Tatum shoot?
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#1 pick would be an overpay for Butler. Splitting the 1 into multiple picks works better for a hypothetical Butler deal. You still have potentially enough to get Butler while keeping either the 2017 No. 3 or the Lakers/Kings pick.
If the Lakers pick between 2-6 then the Celtics will get that pick
if the Lakers Finish 1 or 7+ then the Celtics get the 2019 Kings Pick
How are the protections set? Just between the two teams as a negotiation?
LyleLanley
Banned
Yup.
yeah
They aren't giving the Bulls that much.
[Keith Smith] I'm told in addition to this, Boston "had serious concerns about Fultz being a winner. Too many red flags there to pick him at #1."
Celtics starting PG is a 30 year old 5'9 player
Fultz would have been a perfect replacement they could develop and end up becoming the franchise player Ainge has talked about so many times
Celtics starting PG is a 30 year old 5'9 player
Fultz would have been a perfect replacement they could develop and end up becoming the franchise player Ainge has talked about so many times
MetalFearSolid
Banned
Man Fultz must be something else, BC will not make this trade if otherwise.
Why couldn't you move up for Damian Lilard for us as Raptors GM at the time?
Why couldn't you move up for Damian Lilard for us as Raptors GM at the time?
My understanding is many feel Fultz will be a top 5 player in the league. I have my doubts.
Lionel Richie
Member
If he takes Jackson it's not ideal but I can live with that. If he takes Tatum it is the single most idiotic trade ever. Tatum sucks and he's probably slower than everyone in the Celtics organization including Danny.
Ninja Scooter
Member
He's a really really good prospect in a draft with a handful of other really, really good prospects. People spent so much time the last 12-18 moths hyping the fuck out of this draft that I feel like they are inflating Fultz a little because he's "the best player in one of the best drafts ever!!11". He could be great, but he's not a no-brainer prospect like LeBron was, probably not even on the KAT level to be honest.
Fultz is basically the most "sure" prospect since KAT. He scores in bunches, shoots the ball well, and just has that "it" factor.
His only question mark was defense, which is not due to his athleticism like someone like Ball. This kid is good at causing turnovers too.
Great size, incredible finisher, can get to the basket at will.
Reminds me of Dwayne Wade a lot.
His only question mark was defense, which is not due to his athleticism like someone like Ball. This kid is good at causing turnovers too.
Great size, incredible finisher, can get to the basket at will.
Reminds me of Dwayne Wade a lot.
That's the whole thing. Even if this guy is too ten, you have flex.
I never told anyone this before, but my name is Eric Montross and I can still go!
This is the point in the year where we collectively convince ourselves that 18 year olds who have never played a minute in the NBA are already superstars. This happens every year.
He has the least chance to bust
He's a harden/wade hybrid that has elite physical tools
Imo he's just a tad bit below KAT level in terms of being a star
Technically in terms of attention, not skill on an NBA court, but just media perception and the amount people talk about him
Lonzo is the most talked about prospect since Bron
Cornbread78
Member
I just shotgunned a beer because of this. Danny lemon Shocktop is gross, look what ypu made me do. Fuck off.
Aahhhhuughhhh. Aw, look whatcha made me do QUUUUUUUUUUUACK QUAAAAAACKKKKK. - Cornbread
Cornbread78
Member
RiggityRice
Member
bunch of clowns lost at the carnival
Cornbread78
Member
Officerrob
Banned
Someone should tell Josh that hitting a free throw isn't that hard either
Megatron
Member
Huh. To me that doesn't look like nearly enough. Guess we will see.
Frozenprince
Banned
If all this is just to get freaking Jimmy Butler.
LyleLanley
Banned
One of the knocks against Fultz is that his FT% was quite low.
The Celtics desperately need a point guard and they just dumped the best PG prospect since Kyrie?
Last year the Bulls were, per The Vertical, willing to deal Butler for Zach Lavine and Kris Dunn until the T-Wolves backed out. One of Crowder or Bradley + the No. 3 in a much stronger draft eclipses that. The Philly trade makes the most sense as a win-now move for Boston to acquire another star while still continuing to consolidate picks for a future young core post LeBron/Dubs.
Frozenprince
Banned
Say again, if Ainge's plan is to "win now" then he's out of his fucking mind.
Lionel Richie
Member
Oh for crying out loud, they don't desperately need a point guard. Even with the questionable defense, IT was still a very productive player (near MVP levels) last year and should continue to be so for at least 3-4 years. After that time? Yeah, they could use another PG, but you don't take one so early for the purpose of replacing a star. You take a guy that could play with your star (and I think Fultz could to be honest).
IT gets really underrated around here. Yeah he's short and that makes him a limited defender, but Kyrie is also pretty much an equally shit defender and you don't hear people saying the Cavs should trade him.
Fultz should be told the same thing since he is a 64% FT shooter himself.
That workout video with the Sixers showing him bricking nba range 3s left and right was disturbing. And his FT shooting form is very awkward. He could easily be like Ingram in his rookie year where he shot 3s well in college but shits the bed in the NBA due to getting used to NBA range.
It's both win now and build for the future. They still have enough assets to do both, unlike every other team in the NBA. I suspect that's what the Philly trade is ultimately about.
Yeah let's judge a three minute workout video more than his college stats taken over months!
Yes, he could struggle, using an empty gym end-of-workout shooting drill as a defense though is insanity.
Frozenprince
Banned
Now Magic walks backwards into a situation he could easily, easily win. Somebody else wants Jackson, trade back.
Played perfectly for him and he didn't even need to do anything stupid.
Played perfectly for him and he didn't even need to do anything stupid.
LyleLanley
Banned
Smart-Jackson-Brown is going to be something on defense. They won't make a shot from outside 5 feet but that defense will be impressive.
LyleLanley
Banned
Jaylen's probably the safest bet but I wouldn't feel confident about anyone.
That's my thought. It'd be smart if they find one or two guys they want to build around, right?
Cornbread78
Member
So, would IT, Hayward, Butler, Drummond and Horford fit under the cap with Oly, Jae, Bradley, Zeller, Amir and Sweed all gone?
That has to be the master plan right?
IT: 13mil
Butler: 18 mil
Hayward 24 mil
Horford 30 mil
Drummond 22 mil
Zizav
Yabu
Smart
Brown
Jackson
Mickey
Rook
Rook
Rook
That has to be the master plan right?
IT: 13mil
Butler: 18 mil
Hayward 24 mil
Horford 30 mil
Drummond 22 mil
Zizav
Yabu
Smart
Brown
Jackson
Mickey
Rook
Rook
Rook
Lauri has always been a Celtic, so I think you can count him as a current one as well even if it's not 100 percent confirmed in this universe yet.
LyleLanley
Banned
I don't think that fits under the cap and on top of that I'm not sure how good that team really is.