It's obviously not a strength, but I would say both underrated defensively with room to improve. I would have have Lonzo guard the SG though.
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friskykillface
Banned
Gtfo
Better be for 1 pick and maybe Zeller, the pick would be a late second round
George is gone, he's not gonna stay in Boston
Bird was a dummy to not trade him last season, could have easily tanked after the all star break
darkwing-buck
Member
Excited for Randle in the next season. "Fat" randle was a bull in the transition and post and now he looks like a machine!
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They're both tall and long, with DLO getting BIG (seriously have you seen his workout pics lately? He could beat the crap out of the majority of PGs now lol) and Lonzo being a good defender against shooting guards especially.
Moving on to offense, Ball and DLO is a dream on paper. Both players that can move really well on and off the ball in transition, Ball being great moving the ball on the fast break while DLO can more than handle his own on the half court. They work each other off very well.
The fact that these two can both play off ball very own as shooters as well is huge and why I am so excited for this Lakers team next season.
He looks like current old Carmelo sure. He looks nothing like young Carmelo who was similar to a young Barkley. Tatum is a twig.
Carmelo was an elite athlete when he was coming into the league. 6'8, 240lbs with a 7'0 wingspan and with an elite first step. He also got off the floor quickly and ran the floor well. Carmelo could play either forward spot and would have excelled. Tatum is the bad type of tweener that usually fails. I hope he proves me wrong and shows that he's a 3.
Cornbread78
Member
MetalFearSolid
Banned
damn now that I think about it Hinkie was creating the Warriors before the Warriors.
Trust the process.
NBA caught on and sabotaged him before he could have changed the game forever.
Trust the process.
NBA caught on and sabotaged him before he could have changed the game forever.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Will need to see how good Tatum is at shitting himself.
To me, that's his ceiling while his floor is Tobias Harris.
Frozenprince
Banned
"It's unpossible for me to fuck this up?"
darkwing-buck
Member
Nope
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Offensively? I think it works perfectly. They compliment each others game very well.
Defensively? It's gonna be bad. Both of them have the right physical tools to be capable defenders on paper, but I don't believe either one will put in the effort. Especially at this stage in their careers.
But screw it. At least it will be fun watching them boys go get buckets. The first few months of Laker-ball was fun to watch last season before the injuries set in. I see no reason why they won't be even more fun to watch with added talent and more development.
Ninja Scooter
Member
They project to be pretty bad defensively but what can you do? Most draft picks have warts you are going to have to work through. It's not like by drafting Zo they are absolutely locked into a Zo/DLo backcourt forever. Hell he Blazers are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a terrible defensive backcourt.
Statistically he compares favorably to Pierce, Hayward, and Joe Johnson when they were in college.
Defense is more of a later consideration when building a team. The Warriors for example didn't draft Curry or Thompson to be defenders, but they saw improvement and then later added defensive pieces around them. Also, remember that we we've seen a Kyrie Irving/JR Smith backcourt make it to the finals three years in a row.
Not sure you can compare two allstars in CJ and Dame to Dlo and whatever rookie
Thibs is gonna go Monk fosho
Saying IT is going to be as good as he was this year for the next three or four years is extremely debatable. Especially considering he's coming off a serious injury. He's going to be a free agent after next season and he'll be 29 and a half by the time the Celtics would be forced to give him a 5 year max contract. They had the perfect opportunity to develop his successor while still competing next year (assuming they get Hayward). Now, the Celtics have locked themselves into a point guard that will be taking up 30% of the salary cap, is a huge liability defensively, and will decline enormously even if he loses an ounce of his athleticism.
He's 5"7 and Kyrie is 6"2. Kyrie is not a good defender but you can hide a guy Kyrie's size better than you can Thomas.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Defensively? Lillard and CJ are garbage. They aren't all stars for their defense.
Why are people always making IT shorter than he actually is
dude is 5'9 and Kyrie is like 6'0
lmao chill
Those two guess are like bottom of the list in terms of defense even if they are all-stars.
And undersized SG who isn't good enough of a ballhandler and passer to play PG but is a great shooter? No siree
Frozenprince
Banned
Fuck it, offer Phil the picks for GOATzingas.
Kill my fandom in one blow, Danny.
Kill my fandom in one blow, Danny.
Don't forget about Covington too. He's a really solid 3 and D role player that is still relatively young. They have a core of five players now that should be really good. They need to add a couple shooters and obviously get healthy and develop but that's about it.
I am talking the complete package so offense to, they are prolific scorers and its disingenuous to compare Dlo/Rookie to them right off the bat. Really just setting yourself up for disappointment
Good shooting is always valuable in this league tho
Ninja Scooter
Member
The comparison was specifically defense though.
I was only comparing them defensively
I responded to Jarate who was talking about defense
I don't think they will be CJ/Dame level as a whole their first season
but you never know with Zo tbh
If they don't he walks. Who would be their point guard then?
Ninja Scooter
Member
IT is 4'13"
PGs grow on trees, that's the last position they should be worried about in this era of the NBA.
Y'all are getting tatum
Wait I am 100% sure Kyrie is shorter than 6'3 Steph by like a few inches
either that or Kyrie has shit posture
darkwing-buck
Member
Lmaoooooooo not like this
While I agree it's the deepest position, it's not as if getting a top 10 point guard is super easy. Most of the best teams in the league have an elite point guard.
Golden State
Cleveland
LAC
Boston
Washington
Toronto
OKC
Houston too if you consider Harden a point guard.
The only exceptions would be San Antonio and Utah.
If Boston just loses IT for nothing and tries to replace him with a league average point guard, that would be a big step backwards.
Cornbread78
Member
The question is if Boston does draft Tatum and keeps him, do they still go after Hayward and split minutes with Brown and Tatum at the 2/3, or do they move on and try to lock up a big like Griffen? Ibaka wouldn't be bad, but he wasn't as dynamic with Orlando and Toronto last season...
Frozenprince
Banned
P much, replace the Clippers with whoever CP3 goes too.
Ya that seems about right.
If Magic is a god
offset Clarkson, Randle, 28th, and Deng and get us PG13 a season early
these contracts are fucking up our cap so much
Worry about Mosgov next season, and try to land Bron
Lonzo, Dlo, BI, PG, Bron death lineup
If we land Zo we gonna have top 1 PG in the league breh
offset Clarkson, Randle, 28th, and Deng and get us PG13 a season early
these contracts are fucking up our cap so much
Worry about Mosgov next season, and try to land Bron
Lonzo, Dlo, BI, PG, Bron death lineup
If we land Zo we gonna have top 1 PG in the league breh
Frozenprince
Banned
I doubt anyone is giving up value for a rental of IT and no contender would want him on a max in his early 30s. Get one more year out of him then see what the market says.
Maxing him because you're afraid to let him go without getting anything in return is a panic move that doesn't fit what Danny has been doing for the past 5 years.