Not a big enough upgrade to Demarre Carrol or Patrick Patterson anyway.
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NBA Offseason |OT| "It's a complete shit move, but we're stuck with it now"
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Not a big enough upgrade to Demarre Carrol or Patrick Patterson anyway.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/kevin-durant-celtics-list-of-players/306483
Over/under on the number of articles we see on what teams will need to do to sign Durant?
Over/under on the number of articles we see on what teams will need to do to sign Durant?
LyleLanley
Banned
Stevens and Ainge extended!
Stevens is a Celtic for life!!!!
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Durant's new shoe is called the Pre-Heat
http://sneakernews.com/2016/05/31/nike-kd-9-pre-heat-release-date/
Its happening
http://sneakernews.com/2016/05/31/nike-kd-9-pre-heat-release-date/
Its happening
sf2fanatic
Member
So I guess we'll won't get DeRozan. He most likely going to resign with Raptors after this season's playoff run.
George would be nice. Isn't he from Palmdale?
George would be nice. Isn't he from Palmdale?
I wish.
LyleLanley
Banned
I have looked up Chriss and now know who he is but still... Who?
https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/738031922052497408
Simmons shot form is looking a lot better, still a little awkward, but a lot less so. I feel most of his shot issues are due to his horrid form, which if he can fix that, then he can probably start to shoot well enough
Simmons shot form is looking a lot better, still a little awkward, but a lot less so. I feel most of his shot issues are due to his horrid form, which if he can fix that, then he can probably start to shoot well enough
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
A couple updates from today:
Houston gives 3 years/$15 million for D'Antoni
Raptors give Dwane Casey $18 million extension
Houston gives 3 years/$15 million for D'Antoni
Raptors give Dwane Casey $18 million extension
slightconfuse
Banned
Miamai Don going to sign Durant
so ive been reading around and the few trades ive heard that had the sixers involved are
Okafor
for
Avery Bradley or Marcus Smart + 3rd Overall pick
Okafor + Lakers Pick
for
#2 over all pick
Another really weird one ive seen is
Rose + a bunch of scrub players and the 14th pick
for
Nerlens Noel
which makes me just SMH at that last deal. I'd be super pissed about that
Okafor
for
Avery Bradley or Marcus Smart + 3rd Overall pick
Okafor + Lakers Pick
for
#2 over all pick
Another really weird one ive seen is
Rose + a bunch of scrub players and the 14th pick
for
Nerlens Noel
which makes me just SMH at that last deal. I'd be super pissed about that
Lol at the Celtics trade. Okafor ain't that valuable.
Also lol at the Raptors. Masai makes some dumb decisions for a supposedly genius GM.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
I'm guessing you saw that Raptors trade on the NBA Reddit. Because I saw the exact same thing there.I wouldn't even want Noel
Edit:wait you said Rose not Ross lolol my bad
It's the Bulls since they have Derrick Rose and the 14th pick
didnt see anything about the raptors
Okafor average 17 & 7 and improved a lot of bad aspects if his game and is only 20 on a ridiculously cheap contract. Dude warrants a double team when he has the ball which I cant remember any other rookie commanding this year.
Nerlens Noel is one of the best defensive bigs in the game at 22, his value is also pretty high
Both are pretty top tier center prospects. Especially Okafor.
didnt see anything about the raptors
Okafor average 17 & 7 and improved a lot of bad aspects if his game and is only 20 on a ridiculously cheap contract. Dude warrants a double team when he has the ball which I cant remember any other rookie commanding this year.
Nerlens Noel is one of the best defensive bigs in the game at 22, his value is also pretty high
Both are pretty top tier center prospects. Especially Okafor.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
It was actually Derrick Rose for Noel not Terrence Ross. That's a different story.
MetalFearSolid
Banned
Dwane Casey is the greatest Raptors coach in history.
I was hoping Raps lost in the first round again so we could actually hire a decent coach.
I think the Celtics would entertain Smart and the 3 but not Bradley. I don't even know what that Lakers offer is supposed to be..
Who?
Ninja Scooter
Member
He doesn't have a desirable skill set, at least not for the asking price. His comps are Brook Lopez, Al Jefferson or Enes Kanter, guys who have all been or are available to whoever wants them. There is little evidence that you can build a great team around a big who can't shoot or spread the floor and is a horrible defender and doesn't have the lateral quickness (see Stephen Adams) to really significantly improve in this area. He's a nice player. I'm sure a lot of playoff teams would love to have Brook Lopez or Enes Kanter come in for 10 minute stretches and give them some post scoring, but nobody is going to give up anything of any real value (i.e. a top 5 lottery pick) to get him.
I believe there is a 100% chance Ainge would trade the #3 pick for Okafor straight up.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Would have figured Danny was too smart for that. If you want some short term post scoring throw one of your other 7 million firsts at Brooklyn for Brook Lopez and take/develop Dragan at 3.
MetalFearSolid
Banned
Dave Joerger, Frank Vogel, Thibs, and JVG come to mind. Hard to say really, all these coaches aiming for the GM/Coach hybrid like positions. Casey doesn't seem interested in that.
But again Casey deserves to be retained, but can't say he is a better coach than any of those guys I mentioned before.
And wow at the Hawks rumor, so Horford leaving the Hawks?
MetalFearSolid
Banned
Wait so Cs aren't going to pick Jamal Murray?
Dragan Bender? Guy won't even contribute for years, can't create his own shot, fouls all the time against unathletic Euros and was a poor rebounder. He's also not explosive on offense as far as athleticism goes. All he can do is run the floor and hit spot up 3's. Dude will be lucky to be as good Jonas Jerebko in two years. Okafor would also under their control on a rookie contract...one guy making 24m over 4 years or one guy making 40 over 2 years...
If they take a guard it should be Dunn but then you have to move Smart. He will be better than Hield, Smart, and Murray IMO. He will already be able to come in and defend immediately.
Speculation is Bender. DX has the Celts taking Chriss
but you said no to that potential trade!
None of those players have anywhere close to the post moves Okafor has, and also, let's not judge Okafor defense this year based off of having a guard combination of Ish Smith and Nik Stauskas, which I would imagine to be the worst starting backcourt in NBA history when it comes to defense, and maybe just in general.
Okafor actually protected the rim pretty well, his PNR defense wasn't the best, but remember, he was 19, and let's also remember that Big Men usually take a couple of years longer to develop.
Also, I'd like to point out that as a 19 year old he was constantly double teamed, and also even with that issue, his TS% was over 60% after Ish showed up.
Dude improved 2 huge parts of his game last year, especially his free throw %, and he hasn't once complained about the situation in Philly, even though you could tell he wasn't the happiest guys on earth.
If Okafor improves his jump shot, he could easily become Boogie in skill level. You can argue Boogie hasn't won with the Kings, but much like Kevin Love, its not his fault that his team was awful.
I'm open to a Noel for League swap tbh, I really like Teagues game as an off ball PG. I still think Netlens is more valuable, but everyone is horrified of Nerlens contract situation too
catpurrcat
Member
I know you and I have disagreed about this topic but coaching consistency is also key for a team that used to keep dropping coaches every 2 years.
Better to establish a system and have players develop into it. Its not like TO attracts free agent stars all the time and needs to constantly change systems to match.
how much Okafor did you watch last year bro. His post game is absolutely nuts, can get points off of every single player I saw him go up against. Easily has some of the nicest moves in the leagues inside the post. 62% true shooting once he got a Ish Smith, who's a bench level PG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZihwmQ3PaC8
His main issue last year was his lack of being in shape (makes sense for a 19 year old huge guy like okafor) his defense (which he was fine as a rim protector but struggled off PNR) and his rebounding was suspect. I think all 3 of these issues mostly involved his stamina and his lack of being in NBA shape at 19.
19 Years Old, and already getting double teamed.
LyleLanley
Banned
Who cares about his post game? He's a center that can't shoot from distance and doesn't play good D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20VGdpFAhCM
Here's Okafor absolutely annihilating KAT on defense, I think he'll project out a lot better, advanced stats for the sixers are hard to gauge just due to how absolutely dreadful their guards were last year.
Like, why are people so down on Okafor? I understand why current Sixers fans don't like him (fit with the scheme isn't this best) but this is the best interior post players to come out of college in a very long time, and most of his deficiencies can be corrected over time if he wants to correct them, it isn't like he's super unathletic (like people make him out to be) he has very deceptive athleticism.
Here's Okafor absolutely annihilating KAT on defense, I think he'll project out a lot better, advanced stats for the sixers are hard to gauge just due to how absolutely dreadful their guards were last year.
Like, why are people so down on Okafor? I understand why current Sixers fans don't like him (fit with the scheme isn't this best) but this is the best interior post players to come out of college in a very long time, and most of his deficiencies can be corrected over time if he wants to correct them, it isn't like he's super unathletic (like people make him out to be) he has very deceptive athleticism.
okafor's offense is great, no doubt about it, I was just having a hearty chuckle at the notion that he has more post moves than al jefferson. al on the left block is something else.
His rim protection is fine, like I said, and you're acting like a 20 year old can't learn to shoot. It's not like his shot is busted and terrible, in fact, he improved his shot dramatically from college. His only D werakness is the PNR, which I have two issues with these specific stats, the sixers liked to change guys constantly on other teams PNR, and Okafor isnt as versatile as Noel is perse, and can't really guard guards at this stage, and also, I can assure you that it's heard to judge a big man's defense when he has literally the worst defensive backcourt in the history of the game. I don't think you guys understand how bad Nik Stauskas was on defense (or Isiah Canaan, or Ish Smith) the only quality defender in the backcourt was TJ McConnel, who's basically our backup PG for the next three years
He was also a 19 year old with by far the biggest body size out of all the bigs taken (KAT is a little bit "smaller" in shape) And it's not like Okafor can't learn defense either. Okafor also showed a little bit of range near the end of the year, and if he can develop that midrange, his game is going to go to the next level.
I only saw kanter and lopez's name lol, yeah, i'd say Okafors post moves are almost at big al's level tbh, at only 19 too!
none of those players even came close to the production Okafor as a rookie had, in fact, Okafor had probably a better season then Boogie had his rookie year.
they definitely have a similar style. okafor's gonna be great, he just needs to be in the league longer and just learn from experience.
this is actually one of the first results on youtube when you search "al jefferson post"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMpFHiXGQ4E
BlackClouds
Member
oops
also, looking at the Teague for Noel trade, I saw someone on reddit say that the trade initially possibly came from just some random twitter guy making a hypothetical trade. So, much like every other rumor, I'll take it with a grain of salt (although the reporter who reported it is pretty reliable apparently)
Sixers fans are freaking out about the possibility right now lol. They do not want to trade Noel for Teague
Sixers fans are freaking out about the possibility right now lol. They do not want to trade Noel for Teague
The trade came from Yahoo Sports and it wasn't a hypothetical.
I mean, the Sixer's and hawks have been trying to work out a deal for either Schroeder or Teague for a while. This isn't necessarily new, but the addition of noel is.
And the initial source was Shams Charania
Also, teams love to use trade rumours to boost up value and also try to help each other without it meaning anything.
Nerlens Noel is a lot more valuable then League though.