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NBA OFFSEASON TALK- Where our favorite teams go shopping for tanks

Guys guys

ESPN sources say Pistons have struck verbal agreement w/Aron Baynes to sign C away from Spurs on three-year deal (player option after YR 2)

They gave him a player option as well. This is so . lol

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Bowser

Member
Bryan Gibberman ‏@Gibberman10 28m28 minutes ago
Mavs dealt Wright, Crowder, Nelson, Larkin, Dalembert, Ellington, Calderon, 1st rounder & 3 2nds for 2 players they had for 1 season or less

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They have literally annihilated another team in a trade

Remember how everyone complained about how this team didnt have "veteran prescence" well now they do!

And remember how the sixers literally turned a roster of basically only Jrue Holliday into their current roster, which now has at the very least 2 elite big man prospects, a possible greg oden who if healthy would also be an elite prospect, Saric who is still a highly coveted prospect, and loads of draft picks including a Lakers pick which is incredibly valuable and a few Kings picks which are also horrendously valuable

All basically stemming from having Jrue Holliday

Lineup will look like

C: Okafor
PF: Noel
SF: Covington
SG: Stauskus
PG: Wroten/Ish Smith

While this is still a bad team, this isnt as horrible as the burning fire known as the Lakers, Knicks, and Kings. We went from basically the Knicks into a team with legit assets which is an incredible thing.

So many people hate on the Sixers, but I respect what Hinkie is doing. Go hard, or don't go at all. Maybe it all ends up fizzling out anyway, but there's still more hope here than in half the other franchises.
 

Gigglepoo

Member
Really excited to have Monta in Indiana. We've needed more playmakers on offense for years. He and Hill together is a smart backcourt pairing. Hill is a defensive specialist who can hit spot-up 3s, Ellis is a primary ballhandler who can pass as well as score.

Watch out East!
 
ramonashelburne said:
If Lakers miss on their top three FA targets, they're more likely to pursue David Lee in a trade than revisit Boogie talks

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How does that make any sense? You can sign Ed Davis or keep Boozer or something. Do they really want that 1st rounder from the Warriors that would come along with Lee.
 

Gigglepoo

Member
How does that make any sense? You can sign Ed Davis or keep Boozer or something. Do they really want that 1st rounder from the Warriors that would come along with Lee.

Um... yes? The Lakers have to build through the draft and Philly has their first-round pick next season.

Though I do think LA is going to be much more appealing next season when Kobe is gone and the two rookies* prove they can play. Then you have a serious foundation.


*Does Randle count as a rookie?
 

spyder_ur

Member
So many people hate on the Sixers, but I respect what Hinkie is doing. Go hard, or don't go at all. Maybe it all ends up fizzling out anyway, but there's still more hope here than in half the other franchises.

I guess I would say I respect it, but I'm also not sure it will work. Collecting assets is one thing, but the Sixers haven't shown me that they are able to develop players past maximizing their value, or really that they are even interested in that at all. I worry about the culture they are creating as well, but talent probably trumps that.

The other thing is that Hinkie is enjoying a level of job security that most front officers and GMs. They'd be firedif they tried to do what Hinkie is, for better or worse.

This Jordan laughing gif is really on the fine line of being overused.
 
So what's the deal with Deron Williams? Was it lingering recovery from injuries that made him suck or is he just getting old? Or both? There were flashes of those devastating crossovers and shooting skills here and there, but for the most part, just plain suck. Any hopes of him rebounding next year or is it just supposed to be a continued downward spiral?
 

rando14

Member
So what's the deal with Deron Williams? Was it lingering recovery from injuries that made him suck or is he just getting old? Or both? There were flashes of those devastating crossovers and shooting skills here and there, but for the most part, just plain suck. Any hopes of him rebounding next year or is it just supposed to be a continued downward spiral?

D-o-n-e
 
If Dellavabooboo ends up being our #2 PG I will legit cry. Real tears.

Quinn Cook (Duke) went undrafted and might be in play. He's reportedly going to play for Cleveland in the Vegas summer league after competing for OKC in the Orlando league.

He's a good ball handler, doesn't turn the ball over, has a good stroke from the 3. His assists numbers were down last year, because he moved off the ball to make room for Tyus Jones. It's my opinion that he'd be a serviceable backup. But of course, I'd say that about any Blue Devil (and then elevate them to starter).
 

Gigglepoo

Member
What was the maximum that Draymond Green could have signed for?

Apparently he's looking at the Spurs and the Warriors right now. Trying to get a ring.

Oh, I know he wants a ring. Just not sure how he fits in Oakland. He'd be great in SA except, you know, there's that LaMarcus fellow. It's why I think Houston would be a great fit: championship contender with a need at power forward. Plus, the Rockets could use another tough guy.
 
I guess I would say I respect it, but I'm also not sure it will work. Collecting assets is one thing, but the Sixers haven't shown me that they are able to develop players past maximizing their value, or really that they are even interested in that at all. I worry about the culture they are creating as well, but talent probably trumps that.

The other thing is that Hinkie is enjoying a level of job security that most front officers and GMs. They'd be firedif they tried to do what Hinkie is, for better or worse.

To be fair, I'm not sure it will work either. But then again, most NBA GMs are doomed to failure, it's very difficult to have long-term success.

I don't really believe in the culture aspect. Good teams have good culture, bad teams have bad culture. If the Sixers get good, the team culture will be fine.

Finally, Hinkie was hired only 2 years ago, and I'm quite sure he sold ownership on this tanking strategy before taking over. If the Sixers are in Year 5 of the rebuild, and he has nothing to show for it, there will be no job security.
 

Cybit

FGC Waterboy
So, I'm pretty sure The Process (tm Morey & Hinkie) is basically finding the singularly dumb GM in the league and taking advantage of them. Dear lord...the 76ers destroyed the Kings in that trade.

If you want hope as a 76ers fan...

http://nba.derekbodner.com/sixers-wiki/future-draft-picks/

Home / Sixers Wiki / Future Draft Picks
Future Draft Picks

The best individual resource for updating future picks league-wide is RealGM’s Future Draft Picks page. I’m going to maintain this page to tailor it specifically to the 76ers, and provide additional detail/context/explanation.

The first section is a summary of what they have, then a little bit more detail surrounding the protections and credits/debates below.

Status of picks – By Year

2016

1st round pick – 76ers or Kings (Sixers get better of their own pick or Kings pick, assuming Kings pick falls in top-10).
1st round pick – Lakers (unless it falls in the top 3)
1st round pick – Heat (unless it falls in the top 10)
1st round pick – Thunder (unless it falls in top 15)
2nd round pick – Nuggets

2017

1st round pick – 76ers or Kings (Sixers get better of their own pick or Kings pick).
2nd round pick – 76ers

2018

1st round pick – 76ers
1st round pick – Kings (top-10 protected, has to be 2 years after Kings pick to Chicago conveys)
2nd round pick – 76ers
2nd round pick – Nets or Cavs (whichever is better)
2nd round pick – Clippers or Knicks (whichever is better)

Dear lord, they could have 4 1st rd picks next year. (Alas, it seems that next year's draft might not be very good, imagine having 4 picks in this year's draft). Still. Daaamn.
 

Fjordson

Member
Oh, I know he wants a ring. Just not sure how he fits in Oakland. He'd be great in SA except, you know, there's that LaMarcus fellow. It's why I think Houston would be a great fit: championship contender with a need at power forward. Plus, the Rockets could use another tough guy.
Warriors system is easy for bigs other than Draymond. He'd like a tougher Mo Seights. Just rebound and hit the midrange jumper. And be able to dunk.

What was the maximum that Draymond Green could have signed for?
The maximum the Warriors could've offered was $93.1 million over five years.

The maximum another team could’ve offered him was $69.2 million over four.
 

Bowser

Member
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 44s44 seconds ago
Free agent forward Ed Davis is finalizing a deal with the Portland Trail Blazers, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m1 minute ago
Ed Davis will sign a three-year, $20 million deal with Portland, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
 

spyder_ur

Member
To be fair, I'm not sure it will work either. But then again, most NBA GMs are doomed to failure, it's very difficult to have long-term success.

I don't really believe in the culture aspect. Good teams have good culture, bad teams have bad culture. If the Sixers get good, the team culture will be fine.

Finally, Hinkie was hired only 2 years ago, and I'm quite sure he sold ownership on this tanking strategy before taking over. If the Sixers are in Year 5 of the rebuild, and he has nothing to show for it, there will be no job security.

Yeah, we're on mostly the same page, especially about this. What I meant by culture was more in terms of player development which I'm not sure the Sixers are prioritizing at all. Losing effects different players in different ways and losing habits tend to linger. If Okafor is Duncan and/or Nerlens or Embiid turns into Howard, alot of these issues go away very quickly.

That's exactly what I was saying re: Hinkie and job security. He clearly sold ownership, and they're committed at this point - many executives aren't able to attain that commitment, often because of owners who have been the smartest/most successful guys in the room their whole lives and imagine that success will extend to building an NBA team.
 
Ed Davis got Baynes money? Stan why not just sign Ed Davis. Lol

Good fair deal for Ed Davis.


Stan Van Gundy is the worst coach-gm in the league. That title no longer belongs to Doc.
 

Gigglepoo

Member
The maximum the Warriors could've offered was $93.1 million over five years.

The maximum another team could’ve offered him was $69.2 million over four.

How do you figure that out? I read max for a player with less than six years experience was 25% of cap. Is that the cap as of today ($67.1 million) or what it's projected to be over the life of the contract?
 
I guess the lakers realize they're 2+ years away from luring any big free agents while the rookies develop so they'll just tank for the top 3 again in 2016.
 

Bowser

Member
I guess the lakers realize they're 2+ years away from luring any big free agents while the rookies develop so they'll just tank for the top 3 again in 2016.

Dangerous game...if what happened to the Knicks (falling from 2 to 4) happens to the Lakers, they lose that pick.
 

zychi

Banned
I guess the lakers realize they're 2+ years away from luring any big free agents while the rookies develop so they'll just tank for the top 3 again in 2016.

It's not the team, its the front office. Ditto for NYK. Boneheaded move after boneheaded move.

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/09/matt-barnes-kobe-bryant-lakers-clippers-mitch-kupchak

Lakers lucked into a few titles because Shaq wanted to be Hollywood famous, and Pau wanted to get paid. Otherwise this would have been Kobe's entire career of mediocre teams.

I know Laker fans will attack me, but it's the truth.
 

TRios Zen

Member
Aldridge I am thinking is going Spurs or Mavs

As a Spurs fan, I'd love to have him, but we have some holes we need to plug pretty quickly once we find out.

Trading Tiago (expected) and losing Baynes (also expected) is not team destroying, but leaves nothing at the center position so we'll need to address that.
 

TRios Zen

Member
If Aldridge picks Spurs they have got to be the favorite for the Western conference no?

Too much depth in West to say that for sure. I'm not sure they were all the way OUT of the conversation without him, but with him, they are definitely one of a few that could win the West.
 

Bowser

Member
How is Ed Davis?

Pretty good for the price he commands.

John Schuhmann ‏@johnschuhmann 22m22 minutes ago
Ed Davis had the 4th highest rebounding % among free agents who played 1,000 minutes last season.

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Lakers tried to keep him:

Mark Medina ‏@MarkG_Medina 11m11 minutes ago
League source familiar w/ Ed Davis' deal w/ Portland: "Lakers did everything they could. But things move too quickly."
 

dream

Member
If Aldridge picks Spurs they have got to be the favorite for the Western conference no?

It's interesting to think about. Aldridge is top 5, and Kawaii is fantastic. But Timmy is old, and Tony and Manu are completely shot. I'm actually fascinated by what this team will look like in motion.
 

zychi

Banned
It's interesting to think about. Aldridge is top 5, and Kawaii is fantastic. But Timmy is old, and Tony and Manu are completely shot. I'm actually fascinated by what this team will look like in motion.
But the spurs would have kept going if they didnt get jobbed by the clips timekeeper.
 
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