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NBA Offseason Thread! All offseason NBA talk in THIS thread!

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bionic77

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Shinobi said:
Heh, not unlike Malone...

Problem is Divac was on a loaded team in Sacremento that were considered title contenders the last three years, and they haven't even had a sniff of the finals. Hell they couldn't even make it to the conference finals the last two years, with four different teams doing that job.

And Arenas going to LA is a pipe dream, unless Odom's going the other way. What's going on with Fisher? And how come Hudson hasn't signed yet?

Fisher signed with the Warriors and he was not a true point guard anyways, he was more of a 2 guard masquerading as a point. He never really did anything to create points for anyone else, though he did play good defense and hit some clutch shots, perfect for a guy coming off the bench. We still have Payton, but I lost some faith in the guy last year (and that is being nice).

Divac will be fine, how many true centers are there left in the game? Other then Shaq and Yao really no one is going to abuse Vlade. He plays great defense, my only concern is his lateral movement in getting rebounds, but whatever his faults, you can't say he isn't better then Brian Grant.

I know Arenas is a pipe dream, I said so a few posts ago, but a man can dream and the Wizards have a penchant for making other team's dreams come true. :D
 
golem said:
no point in having a big name pg if we still have kobe... he'll just moan and demand the ball anyways. also, i keep hearing positive things about Sasha Vujacic, will need to get out to a summer league game to check him out soon

I see what you're saying. With Kobe and Odom around, you know where most of hte ballhandling will come. Sure, you don't want to wear Kobe down with having to play PG offensively and defensively, but you know he and Lamar are gonna want the ball in their hands, and to their credit, thats how they are most effective. With those 2 guys, we don't really need a traditional, ball dominating PG like Payton or Kidd. A guy like Eric Snow would have been perfect with this team (before Philly gave him a ridiculous contract). Tough as nails. Does the little things. Plays great D. Doesn't demand shots or the ball. Thats the kind of guy, ideally, i'd pair with Kobe/Odom.

as for Sasha, from what i've heard about the handful of SPL games, he's looking alright. Been described as similar to a taller Steve Nash. Can handle the ball well, has good court vision, and is really aggresive. He's definatly a PG, despite being 6'7". Unfortunatly, though, like Nash, his defense stinks. He's only like 20 years old though, so hopefully thats someting he can learn to improve.
 

bionic77

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Well as for his defense, the only positive thing coming out of the Shaq trade is that our points won't get raped on the pick and roll like they did in the Kobe/Shaq era. That tradition is now being passed onto Miami. The point for LA will be left on their own now thought, but they won't need to worry about letting their man step out for a wide open shot every freakin time down the floor. By default, that area improves. Of course by default, our interior defense is much worse now.
 

DMczaf

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Time for your weekly Michael Jordan update!

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STATELINE - The most famous face at the American Century Classic started strong but tested the hazards of Edgewood Tahoe Golf Course on Sunday.

Michael Jordan began the final round tied for 10th at +35 and surged toward the lead with an eagle on the second hole, knocking down a 170-yard iron shot.

The eagle put Jordan at +41 for the tournament, but he would score only eight more points to drop back to 18th by the end of the afternoon.

Jordan, wearing baggy red-and-white checkered pants, played in a group with Joe Theismann and Mark McGwire that had one of the largest crowds on the course. All three wore red shirts, perhaps taking a page out of Tiger Woods' final-day notebook.

Jordan had a particularly tough time on the back nine, with only one birdie to offset six bogeys and a double bogey. His luck seemed to run out at the 13th hole, where he hit into a sand trap just short of the elevated green. His sand shot rolled within five feet of the hole, but his putt rolled around the edge and out, leaving him with a double bogey.

America's most famous athlete followed that disaster by sailing his drive on No. 14 onto a sewer grate, from where he took a drop and made par. He hit into bunkers on the next two holes, although he made a spectacular save to within two feet of the cup and tapped in for birdie on 16.

The final two holes were particularly painful for Jordan. He three-putted for bogey after a promising tee shot on the par-3 17, then his drive on 18 hit a tree to the left of the fairway and bounced backward and left behind a group of trees.

Jordan recovered somewhat with a nice cut shot under the trees to the middle of the fairway, but his next shot dropped into the water hazard in front of the green. Jordan made a 25-foot putt to save bogey and not hurt his score, but it was clearly a day of missed opportunity for a player who hasn't finished in the top 10 since the inaugural tournament in 1990.

"I felt pretty good out there," Jordan said. "It just seemed like the ball had a mind of its own."
 

bionic77

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Wow, i wonder if I was better at golf then Jordan when I was in high school.

And the the O girl says she likes Kobe more then Jordan.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
bionic77 said:
Wow, i wonder if I was better at golf then Jordan when I was in high school.

And the the O girl says she likes Kobe more then Jordan.

that's not stroke play... but likely a stableford system. But your analysis of his golf game is probably as well thought out as your analysis of his basketball career.
 

DMczaf

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bionic77 said:
Wow, i wonder if I was better at golf then Jordan when I was in high school.

And the the O girl says she likes Kobe more then Jordan.

Later that day...

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<Mackey> Why the hell didn't you tell me there was the O girl too?!
 

bionic77

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levious said:
that's not stroke play... but likely a stableford system. But your analysis of his golf game is probably as well thought out as your analysis of his basketball career.

I know it wasn't stroke play, I was looking at how he played the back nine.

I played competitively in high school and I was pretty good back in the day. Though I have almost no chance of breaking 80 these days, just don't get enough time to play anymore.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
oops, sorry, then... I look forward to retiring to a golf course some day.
 

bionic77

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levious said:
oops, sorry, then... I look forward to retiring to a golf course some day.

That would be a sweet life. Florida rocks for this reason alone. I am gonna try and get out in two weekends, I know I will suck, but it is still fun just hitting the ball around. Really, it is the small things in golf that lead to good scores.
 

Fifty

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This just in! Kobe> Jordan at golf!


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TORONTO (CP) - Vince Carter finally talked, but had little to say.

The high-flying Raptors star was back in Toronto on Monday, but did little to dispel reports he's unhappy here and wants out. Nor would he confirm he wants to stay.

Carter insisted the reports of his discontent didn't come from him.

``It wasn't me, I didn't say a word, I haven't said a word,'' Carter said at his youth basketball camp. ``I'm not saying nothing, I'm just going to worry about this camp right now.



``I'm not into bashing, or into `he said this,' or I'm supposed to say this. I'm not going to get into it right now.''

Does he want to come back?

``I'm not going to get into it right now,'' Carter answered.

The reported unhappiness has been said to stem from Carter's belief he's been left out of the Raptors' off-season revamping of its front office and coaching staff.

Raptors rookie GM Rob Babcock has said numerous times Carter is in the team's plans, and is trying to set a meeting with Carter for sometime over t[he next few days.

``I hope so, but I don't have anything set as of yet,'' said Babcock.

The GM didn't want to comment on Carter's lack of endorsement for Toronto.

``The only thing I really worry about is what I hear from Vince, the third-party things, there's too much lost in translation. The only thing I'm really concerned with is direct contact with him,'' Babcock said.

Carter was in good spirits Monday talking to a small group of reporters outside the high school gym housing his camp. It marked the first time the four-time NBA all-star had spoken to the Toronto media since the Raptors' season ended in mid-April.

People have had plenty to say in his absence. One story - quoting local businessman Nav Bhatia, a prominent Raptors fan and guest at Carter's wedding - claimed Carter wouldn't return to the Raptors unless Richard Peddie, president and CEO of Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment Ltd., consultant Jack McCloskey, and director of player personnel Jim Kelley, were all fired.

Carter's silence had only fuelled reports he wanted out of Toronto, but he does plan to clear the air soon.

``In due time. I'm definitely going to fill everybody in when it's time,'' said Carter, who will host his annual charity all-star game July 30th at the Air Canada Centre. ``I have nothing to say right now, but I promise in due time.''

Dallas and New York have been raised as possible destinations for Carter, with recent reports claiming he wished to be traded to an Eastern Conference team.

Carter heard plenty of trade scuttlebutt while on his week-long honeymoon in Maui - he married college sweetheart Ellen Rucker in Palm Beach, Fla., on July 3.

``People were calling me saying `did you hear this, did you hear that?''' said Carter.

The Raptors star insisted his current status with the team isn't weighing too heavily on him. For support, he talks often to the people closest to him - his wife Ellen, mother Michelle, agent Mark Steinberg of IMG, and his friends.

``I've talked to everybody about it, for comfort in their mind so they know what's going on. Not really in depth, because I can only tell them what I know, and there's not much right now,'' said Carter. ``There's a time and place for it, and I've had other things to worry about.''

Even if Carter wants a trade, it's easier said than done, with the NBA's stringent trade rules and his annual salary of $12.5 million US.
 

bionic77

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Can you guys name a better center that the Lakers could have gotten for 5 million dollars?

I am praying that Malone comes back next year too, if he does the Lakesr are starting to look pretty formidable imho.
 

Poody

What program do you use to photoshop a picture?
current roster looks like this

PG: Payton, Vujacic
SG: Kobe, Rush
SF: Odom, Butler, Walton, George, Fox
PF: Malone, Grant, Cook, Douthit
C: Vlade, Medvedenko

hopefully we can get a true point guard and trade the deadbeat george and fox.
 

Cloudy

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Karl isn't coming back....

edit: Fox isn't coming back either. He said he doesn't expect to be on the roster the other day...
 

bionic77

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Cloudy said:
Karl isn't coming back....

edit: Fox isn't coming back either. He said he doesn't expect to be on the roster the other day...

How do you know Karl isn't coming back?

And what is Fox's salary? Does that come off the books if he just retires?
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Cloudy said:
edit: Fox isn't coming back either. He said he doesn't expect to be on the roster the other day...

Who'd notice anyway if Mr. Vanessa Williams returned or not?
 

Cloudy

Banned
Karl actually told the Lakers to go ahead and sign Vlade. Either he's retiring or he's going to the Spurs (they are not making any more moves till they hear from him)

As for Fox, he's cashing 5 mil next season. It doesn't come off this year's cap if he retires but they could trade him or buy him out and let him retire a Laker which would be the right thing to do (dude took less cash to go to LA before the threepeat)

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Fox news in Houston is reporting the Rockets are talking to Charlie Wards agent....


I'm going to kill myself now.
 
bionic77 said:
Can you guys name a better center that the Lakers could have gotten for 5 million dollars?


especially with the way the market has been this summer. Scrubs like Adonyl Foyle and Brian Cardinal getting hugeass deals. Everybody is now overvalued and chump off the bench free agent thinks he's worth more than he really is. Makes it real hard to get good players for the MLE or LLE. Fucking stupidass GM's.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
bionic77 said:
We will give you a GP and a two Grants for one Yao.


Survey says......Nope sorry no can do ;)
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Hmmm thats tempting as hell,but the Rockets already have some hot cheerleaders themselves....so pass again.
 

Cloudy

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Ninja Scooter said:
or maybe he wants to try and make the team as strong as possible?

Yah but didn't his agent say he wouldn't play for less than the mid-level this year? With Vlade on board, they can't pay Karl any more than the veteran's minimum....
 

bionic77

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Cloudy said:
Yah but didn't his agent say he wouldn't play for less than the mid-level this year? With Vlade on board, they can't pay Karl any more than the veteran's minimum....

I think there is a good chance he will stay on one more year with LA. Plus why does SA want Karl? They already have Timmy who is more then capable of playing the entire game against everyone except maybe KG.
 

DMczaf

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Theres no way Karl stays in LA. He either wants money or wants the chance to play for a championship...LA brings him none of these things ;)
 

bionic77

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DMczaf said:
Theres no way Karl stays in LA. He either wants money or wants the chance to play for a championship...LA brings him none of these things ;)

WRONG!!!!

He will get his first ring next year and he will get to be there for the beginning of the Kobe era as Kobe leads LA to the franchise with the most rings in the NBA.
 

Cloudy

Banned
Anyone just catch the Vegas odds on the championship next year? I can't remember the first 2 but the list looked like this...


1-Spurs
2-Queens
3-Lakers 5/1
4-Pacers 5/1
5-Pistons 5/1

BELIEVE IN KOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.

DMczaf

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Cloudy said:
Anyone just catch the Vegas odds on the championship next year? I can't remember the first 2 but the list looked like this...


1-Spurs
2-Queens
3-Lakers 5/1
4-Pacers 5/1
5-Pistons 5/1

BELIEVE IN KOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, the fact that a Shaq-less Laker team is tied with the Pistons says enough.
 

sc0la

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Ninja Scooter said:
Shut it bitches! VLADE IS BACK! Shaq was merely a placeholder for bookend VLADE ERA!
EAT MY NUTS NINJA SCOOTER VLADE THIEF!

*goes to Vlade's restaraunt to hunger strike*
 

Shinobi

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Odds don't mean much on their own...they merely indicate who they believe people will put their money on. So they set the value at a point where they'll always win 50% of the time. It's obvious that people are going to bet on the Lakers despite not being quite as strong as before (though if Karl stays, they're really not looking that bad) due to their name, previous success, and the fact that that LA is like an hour away from Vegas. So I'm not surprised by any of those odds...the Spurs are clearly the odds on favourites going in, the Queens haven't lost much outside of Vlade, the Pacers will be a year older and wiser, and despite all the revionist history the last month or so with people praising the Pistons as the perfectly constructed team, the fact of the matter is that few people outside of Detroit buys them as a championship team (no one will even remember who won the playoff MVP five years from now, unless Detroit wins two or three titles in a row). Minny not being in the top five is surprising though...I would've put them in Indiana's spot. But again, oddmakers have a better pulse for what the betters think then I do.
 

DMczaf

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Shaquille O'Neal took out a full page ad in Tuesday's Miami Herald. The text:

"When I talk about my "new team" in Miami I am including you, the fans. The love you have shown since it was announced that I was coming to Miami has been amazing, and it will not go unrewarded. Keep up that kind of support, and we might be printing invitations to a parade in June. D. Wade, Eddie, Dolie, Malik, Jerome, Udonis, Wang and Dorrell: The business begins. Together, we can bring the trophy to South Beach. Meet me at the gym ... "
-- Shaquille O'Neal

LOL!
 

SKluck

Banned
Cloudy said:
Anyone just catch the Vegas odds on the championship next year? I can't remember the first 2 but the list looked like this...


1-Spurs
2-Queens
3-Lakers 5/1
4-Pacers 5/1
5-Pistons 5/1

BELIEVE IN KOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I saw sunday the Detroit News had odds from the Hilton.

Spurs were the favorites 3-1
Timberwolves, Pistons, Kings were all tied for 6-1.
Pacers 7-1.
Lakers 10-1.
Miami 15-1.
 
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