NDS: Nanostray
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Be more considerate!
JasoNsider
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Deg said:
There is nothing wrong with asking to clarify news. We have to publish this news and it helps if you can clear up confusion before it's posted. Trust me, we are all grateful for his answers.
Spiritreaver
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I was being sarcastic. Yeesh. Lay off me. 
Now we can wonder about the uses of the second screen, yes?
I'm thinking it'll be like the cockpit of the ship you're flying, and have buttons and whatnots
to change maybe firing rates and weapons and arc of fire. Maybe something like that.
It could also give you a different viewpoint of the action, similar to that old Playstay game (Philosoma, I think), since the game is in full 3D and all.
I'm thinking it'll be like the cockpit of the ship you're flying, and have buttons and whatnots
to change maybe firing rates and weapons and arc of fire. Maybe something like that.
It could also give you a different viewpoint of the action, similar to that old Playstay game (Philosoma, I think), since the game is in full 3D and all.
JasoNsider
Member
I don't think we're overloading them. It's just myself and Society that have mailed him thus far in this thread.
Should I ask if there is now texture perspective correction in the hardware now? Is that what it's called, or mip-mapping?
Should I ask if there is now texture perspective correction in the hardware now? Is that what it's called, or mip-mapping?
Hah, neat! Nice job, Jason.JasoNsider said:
I would like to see those shots at a more native DS resolution, of course, but going by what we can make out they look very nice.
Could Drinky Crow's main reason for putting the system down (FIRST GENERATION 3D VOMIT BARF) be obsolete already?!?!
JasoNsider
Member
I asked for information about the sound engine and DS rendering quality. No response yet. Either he's done answering questions for now, or is writing up a lengthy response.
JasoNsider
Member
cybamerc said:
Well that answers that question
. I'll check for a response tomorrow then.Looks better than I expected from DS (nanostray, not the Urbz ). I thought at first the water and background stuff might be prerendered 2d backdrops, but if it animates, with reflections etc. then that's quite impressive. There certainly are some shadows in there anyway. Looks great.
). I thought at first the water and background stuff might be prerendered 2d backdrops, but if it animates, with reflections etc. then that's quite impressive. There certainly are some shadows in there anyway. Looks great.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Lost Weekend said:Haha! See.
As it's been said time and time again by people more knowledgeable than me in such areas, with the NDS's natural graphical feature set and considering its screen size and native resolution, it should have no problem pumping out great looking games. Basicly, Nintendo knew exactly what they were doing with the hardware
Nobody said that the games were going to look like crap.
The DS has faster RAM (I am sure this is true in terms of latency: it is tough to do worse than the N64 which wasted) and actually if you really count it has a bit more RAM (if you exclude the expansion pack).
The great advantage of the DS is the cart though, mainly its size.
1 Gbit is a lot for a console the level of a N64: more space allows you to be a bit more creative in certain things and save computations by preparing tons of pre-created data structures (big CLUTs and so on) especially since random accesses and streaming from the cartridge will be quite probably "not slow".
Actually a few people said the games were going to look like crap (and one of them is certainly eating crow, get it? )
You were never one of those people, though Pana. You're actually one of the people I was refering to in the post you quoted as 'more knowledgeable than me in such areas'
) You were never one of those people, though Pana. You're actually one of the people I was refering to in the post you quoted as 'more knowledgeable than me in such areas'
JasoNsider said:
Damn, how the hell? That looks vastly superior to anything on the DS at this point. Most DS games looked like subpar N64 titles with no filtering...but this really nice.
Well, I guess the water isn't too suprising, though...I mean, a lot of N64 games (like Turok) had very nice looking water effects.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
You should actually ask if the hardware supports bilinear texture filtering, as that was one thing that was glarringly missing from all the E3 demos, but it looks like these pictures might have it. I think mip-mapping is probably out of the question, but you could ask for that as well.
radioheadrule83
Banned
I broke out Mario 64 recently... I was surprised how crap it looks compared to Mario 4x4. THere aren't that many improvements but they are noticable. Check out the character models. I'd be interested to see what a fully original title looks like... ie if it would have better geometry.
Well, you gotta think about it this way, dark10x. Most of what we saw at E3 was either incomplete games (probably rushed to get them to the show) or tech demo's (that focused more on the touch screen than any graphical effect) And now we have our first actual game that's been in development for awhile. We are only now really seeing what the NDS can do graphicly. I though that 'Hurted Heart' game looked nice and smooth as well.
radioheadrule83 said:
I disagree...
I have also recently replayed Mario 64, and the character models and environments look better than 64x4. The models in 64x4 are different looking, but not necessarily better. However, that was an early demo, so we can't really judge...
Panajev2001a
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If they were able to add bi-linear filtering without taxing the hardware too much (software effect) or if they add it to the GPU, well this puppy will look great.
The N64 was not a bad hardware, except the memory sub-system.
The rest was actually veyr well designed and quite powerful IMHO.
Sure the peak drawable polygon count of the N64 was higher than what the DS had in thsoe specs (120K polygons/s), but not many gasmes were able to really push the unit: fill-rate limitations would usually stop you from really making the RSP shine.
Z-buffering was not even free (I'll leave out the exact impact, but it was noticeable).
The N64 was not a bad hardware, except the memory sub-system.
The rest was actually veyr well designed and quite powerful IMHO.
Sure the peak drawable polygon count of the N64 was higher than what the DS had in thsoe specs (120K polygons/s), but not many gasmes were able to really push the unit: fill-rate limitations would usually stop you from really making the RSP shine.
Z-buffering was not even free (I'll leave out the exact impact, but it was noticeable).
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Well, yeah, pretty much. And except for that first picture which might be some intro screen or something, water (or anything else for that matter) looks pretty much N64 class on other screens. Then again, the screens are really small - it's hard to even tell if there's really some bilinear filtering being used, much less anything else.
JasoNsider
Member
I think there is a good chance that Nintendo has updated the DS hardware to include texture filtering.
Compare these two screens and you can see for yourself.
I don't think they even doctored their pictures.
Compare these two screens and you can see for yourself.
I don't think they even doctored their pictures.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
dark10x said:I disagree...
I have also recently replayed Mario 64, and the character models and environments look better than 64x4. The models in 64x4 are different looking, but not necessarily better. However, that was an early demo, so we can't really judge...
True as MArio 64 in the early shots did not look anywhere near the final game's quality.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I think both are backlit. At least people were saying that they do look better than GBA SP screens.
They did scale them down to almost half of their original size, though - as you can see by your picture comparision.