Neill Blomkamp officially working on new Alien film

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duckroll said:
I don't think it was necessary to kill Hicks and Newt. But he didn't do it out of spite or anything. He did it because he wanted to explore such a painful possibility.
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Killing Newt and Hicks was a horrible idea, and not just because of how it hurts the ending of Aliens.

Alien 3 explores the painful possibility of two characters dying who don't actually have any characterization in the movie. All the writing for Newt and Hicks that actually made the audience attached to them and explained their relationship with Ripley was in the previous movie. So either you haven't seen Aliens and you have no idea why you should care about these two characters, or you've seen Aliens and you're wondering why the movie killed them off in such a contrived and lazy way.

Killing characters without even developing them and expecting the audience to feel something isn't good writing, it's cheap shock value at its worst.
 
duckroll said:
He had the right idea because he was challenging where the franchise could go and what sort of stories you can potentially tell in this universe. Actually engaging with the possibilities a universe has, and going in directions which are unexpected and sometimes unwelcome, is far more interesting than pandering to a safe and expected formula established by films so well made that they can never really be surpassed.

I don't think it was necessary to kill Hicks and Newt. But he didn't do it out of spite or anything. He did it because he wanted to explore such a painful possibility. The rest of the setting in the film was also interesting and not what one would expect as a sequel to Alien and Aliens. Like I said, in the end, the execution failed and it wasn't a particularly good movie, but the approach taken in making it was far more interesting than a me-too Alien sequel.
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I agree, and i never quite got the hate for Alien 3.
It had problems, but to me it was still an interesting movie, especially the setting.
 
UrbanRats said:
I agree, and i never quite got the hate for Alien 3.
It had problems, but to me it was still an interesting movie, especially the setting.
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For me, the problem is not killing Newt or Hicks.

The problem is that the climax is boring, in part because we don't learn anything about most of the prisoners.
 
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Fuck you Ridley Scott and your Ancient Aliens bullshit.
 
Toxi said:
Killing Newt and Hicks was a horrible idea, and not just because of how it hurts the ending of Aliens.

Alien 3 explores the painful possibility of two characters dying who don't actually have any characterization in the movie. All the writing for Newt and Hicks that actually made the audience attached to them and explained their relationship with Ripley was in the previous movie. So either you haven't seen Aliens and you have no idea why you should care about these two characters, or you've seen Aliens and you're wondering why the movie killed them off in such a contrived and lazy way.

Killing characters without even developing them and expecting the audience to feel something isn't good writing, it's cheap shock value at its worst.
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I have to disagree. I saw Alien 3 first way back in the day and worked my way backwards through the franchise (Yes, this was before Resurrection). And I didn't know who Hicks and Newt were and I felt the loss and mourning Ripley had. It was very well handled in the funeral scene. You make it sound like the whole film is about Ripley mourning their loss when that isn't case. She isn't really given the time to mourn because an Alien is on the loose and know she's been impregnated with a queen and now the company is coming to get that Queen and doom humanity.

I love the first three Alien films equally.
 
Can you imagine if Cameron had his way? Alien family adventure?

*shudders*
 
I don't care for Blomp. He's pretty decent at creating a nice film visually.. If he's writing this thing I'll be even less hopeful though.

That fan art with half Ripley half xeno looks atrocious.
 
PUT IT IN MY VEINS

ALL IN MY VEINS

DAY ONE

SHE THOUGHT THEY SAID "ILLEGAL ALIENS" AND SIGNED UP

...

Yes, I'm excited as hell for this. I'll be there on opening day. This hype train stops for nothing and no one.

duckroll said:
He had the right idea because he was challenging where the franchise could go and what sort of stories you can potentially tell in this universe. Actually engaging with the possibilities a universe has, and going in directions which are unexpected and sometimes unwelcome, is far more interesting than pandering to a safe and expected formula established by films so well made that they can never really be surpassed.
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An "And Then There Were None" ripoff is considered "engaging with the possibilities the universe has"?

And let's be honest. Hicks' and Newt's deaths weren't the biggest problem with the film. It was the bland cast of characters that you're supposed to give a shit about when they die. Credit where credit was due to Dance and Posthlewaite, but even they couldn't fill the vacuum left by Biehn's and Henn's departures.

That's coming from someone who watched the third film first before any of the other installments.
 
That concept art was so exciting. A potential sequel to the main story, regardless what elements from those movies are retconned or not, is fantastic.

Just have to make it through Prometheus 2 first...

Tedesco! said:
Please no Ripley in this. Her story is done. Let's see different situations, perhaps something more global in scale.
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I think that character needs closure after Resurrection opened the book on her again. The teases from that art sold me on having one more run of Ripley. Hell I think it would have been way more interesting to have had Ripley play the role, at least in concept, of Peter Weyland in Prometheus and make that movie a sequel to Resurrection. If there was anyone who would have a reason to chase down the makers of the Xenomorph it would be the character who has been in tormented by them throughout her life and death.
 
I don't see the harm of giving a franchise on life support to Blomkamp. At least he's not making a film that could ruin a healthy franchise.
 
I really can't see this work, though a direct sequel to aliens is unlikely to be worse than AvP2, which is probably what Fox is betting on.

It's not as if they know what to do with it anyway.

But then that movie still made baller money, and looking up Prometheus on boxofficemojo gives a budget of 130 versus 400 gross, so that's still a money machine from theather alone. (By contrast: Edge of tomorrow only made made twice it's budget despite being one of the most competent big-budget SF movies of recent years. )
Worth pointing out in this context: District 9 made 6 times its budget (which is huge for SF films), Elysium about 2.5.
 
If he had a version of this script that works without digging up Hicks and Ripley, then he needs to develop THAT one.

Because this shit isn't going to work.
 
I just realized I went through this same excitement for the "Alien Prequels" back in 2010.

I really am that fickle, all ready to jump onboard another media blackout only to walk out of the theater disappointed.
 
strafer said:
District 9 would like a word.
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O_o... You thought D9 was bad?! How? I thought it was the sci-fi movie of the year when it came out. It was superb!

I'm still waiting for Blomkamp to make the sequel he strongly hinted at in the end of that film... Wonder if he didn't want to do it anymore...

Looking forward to the next Alien, though. :)
 
I wasn't as disappointed in Prometheus as a lot of other people, but ever since the movie released, I long for just another good Alien movie. I just need it in my life to fill that hole Prometheus left inside of my heart. ;( Hopefully Blomkamp will be able to make a movie that lives up to Alien and Aliens, but I'm excited regardless even if it'll end up being just decent.
 
animlboogy said:
I really wish Alien could let go of Ripley.

I dunno, half my enjoyment of Alien is the atmosphere and set design. I even enjoyed Prometheus for that, even if the story was insulting. There's only one great Alien film (Alien), so... Yeah, I'll probably at least appreciate whatever this is, even if it's a dumb film.
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Thank you.
 
Let's run this down:

In the early 90s, Producers rushed a confused mess of an Alien 3 into production, hamstringing the director (who went on to be a legitimate great in the industry), leading to what most people considered a disappointment on varying/multiple levels.

Then, in the mid-90s, they let the guy who helped write Toy Story & Speed cough up some ALIENS fan-fic (that ended up becoming a decent rough draft for Firefly later, at least) and hired a guy who couldn't have cared any less about the job make a slapstick sitcom out of that fan-fic.

THEN, when Ridley Scott & James Cameron pitched an idea for a new Alien movie shortly thereafter, producers told them no, they'd rather go ahead and make two absolutely terrible movies based on inherently silly/stupid comic-books/video games. Surprise: the few pleasures those properties did provide did not translate to film. At all.

THEN, when producers decided to reinvigorate the brand almost a decade later, they approved a well-written prequel to the first ALIEN, got Ridley Scott on board, and then Scott & the studio proceeded to gut the screenplay,filled it back up like a twice-baked potato filled with pure stupidity, and distanced themselves from ALIEN almost completely, leading to a sloppy, confused, ponderous pseudo-prequel that satisfied almost nobody.

and NOW, they've decided to follow THAT up by letting the director of District 9 write and direct his own pseudo-sequel ALIENS fan-fiction that would pretend Alien 3 never happened, because that m.o. worked so well for Superman Returns.

So, no. No, I'm not exactly excited by this news as it currently stands. The last thing I want from an ALIEN movie is a return trip to Cameronville by someone who isn't James Cameron.
 
Badenergytroll said:
How could they bring back michael beihn? anyone have any theories? Would have to be a clone.
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Well, Colonial Marines was pitched as "canon" and did present a situation of how he might have lived. Despite CMs being pretty terrible I wouldn't be surprised if they follow the same route of saying someone else got placed into that pod between Aliens and the third movie.
 
Badenergytroll said:
How could they bring back michael beihn? anyone have any theories? Would have to be a clone.
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They lied about the deaths of Hicks and Newt to Ripley.

Scene 1: Hicks: "Hey Newt, you ever wonder what happened to Ripley?" Newt: "Sure but I guess she was lost in space. Anyway, I am off to my first assignment as a newly minted Colonial Marine."
 
Maybe Weyland Yutani did something to the Sulaco and took hicks and newt off and replaced them with cadavers to trick ripley, then put them in hypersleep and kept them on ice for the hundreds of years between alien 3 and resurrection.
 
Not to be a buzz kill but shouldn't the production company wait and see how Chappie does? or is it more complicated than that?
 
Dennis said:
They lied about the deaths of Hicks and Newt to Ripley.

Scene 1: Hicks: "Hey Newt, you ever wonder what happened to Ripley?" Newt: "Sure but I guess she was lost in space. Anyway, I am off to my first assignment as a newly minted Colonial Marine."
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Hicks, maybe. You have plausible deniability there because he was all smashed up and maybe he was unrecognizable? I don't like it, I think the character should be dead, but there is some wiggle room with that death. But Newt is definitely dead. She drowned in her cryotube and performed an autopsy on her and she wasn't a droid. She's dead. Deal with it.
 
Prologue said:
Not to be a buzz kill but shouldn't the production company wait and see how Chappie does? or is it more complicated than that?
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Oh you can be certain that it Chappie bombs than Neil will get the boot. Fox is just playing it smart and scooping Neil up now just in case Chappie does become a hit.
 
Has there ever been a major motion picture part of a series that retconned other movies in the series in Hollywood to the point where they were no longer considered canon?

I know Highlander 2 went through various retcons. Retcons of itself that is lol
 
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