I don't think that makes you a misogynist. Truth be told, I do the same thing.
It's more sad than misognisticy.
Do people not understand what misogyny is? It isn't day dreaming about being with someone.
Eh. Or.... maybe when the aliens invade, that's when your time will come!
I think with all the probing, aliens might be quite into sex.
Woah
Ever do that thing where a girl was just polite or smiled at you in the hallway and you fell in love all over again and imagined an entire life together?
CRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGE
Damn, a TL;DR at-least? I nearly scrubbed a hole through my screen protector scrolling that.
I've done that, but it only happens if the girl is absolutely 100% my type, also, I would have to had some kind of interaction prior, something like small talk. Falling in love with every hot chick would suck lol.
Ever do that thing where a girl was just polite or smiled at you in the hallway and you fell in love all over again and imagined an entire life together?
CRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGE
I'm a 29 year old virgin who has never went on a date once.
I had a lot of friends and many of them were athletes/popular guys since I was really into sports and weightlifting. I thought this would eventually translate into some kind of female interest but nope. I was the odd man out and eventually I gave up. It seemed like in the circles, the guys would pair up with the girls but the girls left over would just pursue other guys or wait in the wings for relationships to break up so they could go in. I tried but at best, the girls were just polite to me because since I was good friends with their friend's boyfriends. In the end, I just focused on having fun with my friends and I had a very good time.
In college, I assumed this would be solved but nope. Again, I had a lot of friends but no girls ever showed any interest in me. Again, I'd make attempts but it never went anywhere with anyone. So I'd keep my head down, focus on homework, working out, and hanging out with friends.
Since I graduated, I've been working my ass off, getting up to management level and making very good money (six figures). Still, no women. I have no trouble talking to girls but it seems like when push comes to shove, no interest. At this point I've considered giving up because I can't imagine an adult woman wanting to play sexual catch-up. I dress very nice, take very good care of myself, and have various ambitions life but it hasn't translated to any sexual interest.
It isn't that bad. I'm debt free, do very well, like my job, can do whatever I want (except for the women part lol) and I'm pretty happy. It's just this giant hole in my existence. It seems like I'm at the now or never stage in things, although I suspect that I reached that point almost a decade earlier, going with the latter option.
Wtf at soulfucking?!
Anyway to the cheater, meant to type this earlier and hope you can take something away from this story. Don't mind sharing (seeing as everyone GAF likes to share everything lol) so I'll try keep this brief. I'm typing on my phone so I'll re-read and edit for grammar when I can.
I used to love women, part of my up bringing I think has to do with why I love the emotional attention so much but every since I lost my virginity I've pretty much been in a relationship lol. I was that dude who always had a gf, and in retrospect I've been a pretty decent bf with the exception of id always have a slightly inappropriate friendships with other females while having gf. Nothing sexual at first, just talking to them far too much getting to close until we both were started to develop feelings and that said female would then usually replace my gf in a messy break up.
Fast forward a few years and I've just broken up with my first real gf and randomly this girl I've known since childhood is in the same city as I am. We meet up old as friends etc. she's sharing a hotel with her best friend and it's all innocent at first. She's actually a really well sweet lady she has a bf of five years and we just chill, watch films etc and really hit it off. She's travelling back to London the next day so we exchange numbers and promised we'd keep in contact as friends because ya know who can't have friends. We will call this girl k. So even though she has a bf of five years we slowly begin to start texting more which leads to more phone conversations and she tells her bf I'm just a friend but I know his eyebrows are raised but what can he really say. I decide I like this girl (I geniunly did develop deep feelings for her) , but knew if I made a move it'd be over I didn't want to ruin our friendship so I kinda put it that to one side and we became closer and closer. To the point where she would call her bf at night have their little convo but then call me after to talk all night. We were really good friends but we still lived in different city's so as her bf became more and more annoyed (she just said we were friends and I think she was naive enough to believe that) it wasn't an issue.
Next thing I got a job offer to move to london (ahhh the start of my search career) and I needed a place to stay. Again just on Facebook im randomly talking to a girl who was in my school (high school) but was four or so years my senior, she actually amazingly had a spare room and said I could crash with her. We call this girl s. Randomly by pure chance k lived like 5 minute drive from s (which is pretty coincidental considering how big London is lol) so yeah I told k and she was over the moon. Her best friend was going to be a stone throw from her (her bf lived like an hours drive on the other side of London) so we'd be able to talk more face to face and do stuff. I should also make this clear i like this girl and I am well aware of what this will probably lead to (I wanted her to be mine I didn't give a fuck about anyone else) so I was also happy. Now girl s, I really think nothing of her in an sexual way, I never forget first day I move down she's cooking for me (forgot to mention s has a son as cute as hell about 1 years old or so) and I'm one of those dudes that again I dunno I always blur the lines even when they don't need to be blurred but yeah she's cooking and I put my hands her waist to hug her (friendly hug but ya know who does that lol) and she likes it. Let's just say by the time I was meant to sleep in the spare room I ended up her bed, we kissed but that was it. She was due to go on a family holiday the next day so she left early morning and I didn't think too much of it. Also as an fyi s and k kinda know each other (like have each other on fb but not friends or anything).
Girl s is America so I switch my attention back to k, we are talking (as friends but more than friends should) like she was one of those girls who probably couldn't handle what she was doing so wanted to feel it was innocent. We'd play pool, she'd come to my house (or girl s house lol) and we'd chill (she was also a virgin so I didn't even try play ANYTHING sexual initially) blah blah, her bf is seriously getting pissed but ya know what can he really say, we are just friends. After a few days girl s emails me from the usa like shall we talk about what happened and ended confessing she wanted to fuck me, like the 19 year old idiot I am I thought GREAT. So because she was older had a kid saw a guy that had pretty good prospects I think she latched on to me pretty quickly, I mean I kinda liked girl s but at the time I certainly thought I was falling in love with girl k. So girl s begins talking about how we are going to be an item when we get back play happy families etc. in my retarded immature head I thought this was excellent, I could have as much sex as I'd want chill with a cool girl and her son and still have my friendship with girl k.
Girl s returns and we hook up, starting having sex (which I must admit was pretty amazing), unprotected might I add and become an item. Girl k doesnt have a clue, she knows I live with girl s but thinks we are just friends as does girl s think Im friends with girl k I feel like this story is a bit boring so Im going to cut out a chunk to but yeah routine would be something like come home spend one day with girl s, maybe the next day after work Id tell girl s I was visiting my friend girl k. However as time went on suspicions became aroused between both k and s (k by right had no reason to be asking questions or upset as she had a bf of five years but yeah) and I even when the spoke I managed to manipulate the situation so they both hated each other (I made k think s was crazy she they spoke on fb and she claimed to be my gf), I manipulated a conversation with girl s that allowed k to listen in to that with selective wording made it seem like me and s werent together. This went on for like two months or so.
Enter girl b, Im getting pretty tired of all this now, its becoming stressful lol, literally juggling two women is an emotional drag drain. Ive quickly realised Im in a situation where I dont like girl s but I feel trapped because I live with her and her son and I enjoyed the sex. Girl k now is starting to question her whole relationship with her bf because shes slowly starting to realise she has feelings for me its all to much so . I randomly start talking to this girl on fb, we kinda knew each other, I stood her up on a date previously she went on holiday but we lost contact and started talking again. At first she was honestly there for me to vent to, I told her everything, I told her I was deeply in love with girl k, but I was seeing girl s and how complicated my life was etc. Again Im trying to keep this story short for some weird reason I remember I started venting talking to girl b more and more like really opening up, it was different to girl k is the only word I can use. Literally thought NOTHING of it, pure friendship just someone to allow my to clear my head with cus this situation was becoming intense (pictures would be up of my and girl s, girl k would be asking questionsm girl k would be phoning me at stupid o clock leading girl s to also question our friendship) and I remember thnking one weekend (never forget the date) I need a break. So I randomely asked girl b if I could see her, to my surprise she said yes, she lived around 400 miles away from me in a different city. But from the moment I met her I honestly knew I didnt want anything to do with girl s or k anymore, girl k was dilly dallying around and couldnt make up her mind what she wanted and I told her I met someone else. I never forget literally the next day she broke up with bf and kissed me in the car, sounds so superfisical but the worst kiss Ive ever had I thought thank fuck I met girl b but I didnt tell her that, I told her I needed time (Im a douche you dont need to tell me).
So now I think Im falling madly in love with girl b, not really sure what to do with girl k and girl s just an after thought but were still sleeping together because its convienent and I live with her. My life consisted off sneaking away every other weekend to see girl b, juggling between girl k and s and trying to maintain a job lol (I had help from a close friend who covered for me). But it gets to the point where I stop caring, I tell girl b Ive broken up with girl s (Im building up to it but girl b wont do anything with me until I get out of situation) and I girl k still feels like there is hope for us. But I started to get sloppy, too sloppy.
I never forget the phone call I received one Sunday on a trip back from seeing girl b (who Im head over heels about now btw and I did have intentions of getting out of my situation it was just a mess). Girl Ks best friend phones me to ask me where I am, which was weird but I just said on the way back from a friends house. But in the words of peter parker, sent my spider sense tingling. When I got back to the house something told me (she lived on the ground floor flat) to look through the window, low and behold girl k her best friend girl s and around 8 guys with baseball bats, I saw a few guns and knuckle dusters where there in the living room. I thought OMG Im dead, theres no way I can even go in there. So I was like I needed to get my stuff and just disappear. So I waited until like 3am in the morning and tried to sneak in with my key, door was on latch bad idea. Girl S came to the door and I saw my bags packed but there were other people in the house. Lets just say a gun was put to my head and girl k was called and I was made to confess and own up to everything. Girl s is what you Americans would call ratchet, and her male family members where not impressed with my treatment of her, I thought I was dead, I got beaten up badly, think something along the scene from training day where the Mexicans are about to kill the cop. My head forced in running bath with what I could only assume was some kind of .38 to my skull. In the end it took girl s to beg for them not to kill me for them not to do it. long story short I owed quite a lot of money and so had to be empty out my bank account and yeah was kicked out on the street, I was like homeless for a few weeks. No one at work knew, I was living on buss in parks and just getting to work early and showering etc until I got myself back on my feet.
Ever since then, Ive thought you know what, its not worth it, I love my life too much to every play with a girls heart like that. A lot of people I talk to say she went too far but I honestly dont think I would have ever learned otherwise. Like I missed out a lot (she had an abortion for me, introuduced me to her family girl s) like you cant play with peoples lives like that man, so to cheater you may see what your doing as harmless fun but someone has made a commitment to you which in my opinion is one of the most serious decisions a person can make. Its really not fair to do people like that and I hope it doesnt take a gun to your head to realise the mistakes. Like if anyone asks me what I value most in a relationship now, its honesty man, without you have nothing and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
p.s. me and girl b ended being in a three year relationship which was also destroyed due to her not being able to ultimately get passed the circumstances we got together.
and just when we're throwing in the wizard hats, someone brings in the entire first half of the alphabet.
White dove, fly!
I've realized that I fall in love with any woman who shows me any attention. It sucks. I don't know what love is anymore. I think I fall in love with the notion of being in love, and not the actual person. I hate it and it makes me feel lousy.
Okay first off how did you type all that on a phone
You must have one of those phones with a physical keyboard, cause I can't see touch typing letting you spill all that out without every word being garbled.
Secondly your 19 year old self was an IDIOT. How the fuck did you think you could juggle three girls, two of which lived like 5 minutes away from each other?
And.... And did I read that Girl S got an ABORTION for you? The FUCK. So you knocked her up too, and this was while you were thinking of dicking around with girl K? That is legit awful.
Umm yeah took my a while type but I'm used to it. I type a lot on my phone. But yeah hence why I didn't really feel sorry for myself when she had her vengeance so to speak. I shared that story really hoping that Mr cheater confessor can adopt care for life, that's all it is, he doesn't realise the impact of what he could be doing so hope he can learn through my mistakes.
Wtf at soulfucking?!
Anyway to the cheater, meant to type this earlier and hope you can take something away from this story. Don't mind sharing (seeing as everyone GAF likes to share everything lol) so I'll try keep this brief. I'm typing on my phone so I'll re-read and edit for grammar when I can.
I used to love women, part of my up bringing I think has to do with why I love the emotional attention so much but every since I lost my virginity I've pretty much been in a relationship lol. I was that dude who always had a gf, and in retrospect I've been a pretty decent bf with the exception of id always have a slightly inappropriate friendships with other females while having gf. Nothing sexual at first, just talking to them far too much getting to close until we both were started to develop feelings and that said female would then usually replace my gf in a messy break up.
Fast forward a few years and I've just broken up with my first real gf and randomly this girl I've known since childhood is in the same city as I am. We meet up old as friends etc. she's sharing a hotel with her best friend and it's all innocent at first. She's actually a really well sweet lady she has a bf of five years and we just chill, watch films etc and really hit it off. She's travelling back to London the next day so we exchange numbers and promised we'd keep in contact as friends because ya know who can't have friends. We will call this girl k. So even though she has a bf of five years we slowly begin to start texting more which leads to more phone conversations and she tells her bf I'm just a friend but I know his eyebrows are raised but what can he really say. I decide I like this girl (I geniunly did develop deep feelings for her) , but knew if I made a move it'd be over I didn't want to ruin our friendship so I kinda put it that to one side and we became closer and closer. To the point where she would call her bf at night have their little convo but then call me after to talk all night. We were really good friends but we still lived in different city's so as her bf became more and more annoyed (she just said we were friends and I think she was naive enough to believe that) it wasn't an issue.
Next thing I got a job offer to move to london (ahhh the start of my search career) and I needed a place to stay. Again just on Facebook im randomly talking to a girl who was in my school (high school) but was four or so years my senior, she actually amazingly had a spare room and said I could crash with her. We call this girl s. Randomly by pure chance k lived like 5 minute drive from s (which is pretty coincidental considering how big London is lol) so yeah I told k and she was over the moon. Her best friend was going to be a stone throw from her (her bf lived like an hours drive on the other side of London) so we'd be able to talk more face to face and do stuff. I should also make this clear i like this girl and I am well aware of what this will probably lead to (I wanted her to be mine I didn't give a fuck about anyone else) so I was also happy. Now girl s, I really think nothing of her in an sexual way, I never forget first day I move down she's cooking for me (forgot to mention s has a son as cute as hell about 1 years old or so) and I'm one of those dudes that again I dunno I always blur the lines even when they don't need to be blurred but yeah she's cooking and I put my hands her waist to hug her (friendly hug but ya know who does that lol) and she likes it. Let's just say by the time I was meant to sleep in the spare room I ended up her bed, we kissed but that was it. She was due to go on a family holiday the next day so she left early morning and I didn't think too much of it. Also as an fyi s and k kinda know each other (like have each other on fb but not friends or anything).
Girl s is America so I switch my attention back to k, we are talking (as friends but more than friends should) like she was one of those girls who probably couldn't handle what she was doing so wanted to feel it was innocent. We'd play pool, she'd come to my house (or girl s house lol) and we'd chill (she was also a virgin so I didn't even try play ANYTHING sexual initially) blah blah, her bf is seriously getting pissed but ya know what can he really say, we are just friends. After a few days girl s emails me from the usa like shall we talk about what happened and ended confessing she wanted to fuck me, like the 19 year old idiot I am I thought GREAT. So because she was older had a kid saw a guy that had pretty good prospects I think she latched on to me pretty quickly, I mean I kinda liked girl s but at the time I certainly thought I was falling in love with girl k. So girl s begins talking about how we are going to be an item when we get back play happy families etc. in my retarded immature head I thought this was excellent, I could have as much sex as I'd want chill with a cool girl and her son and still have my friendship with girl k.
Girl s returns and we hook up, starting having sex (which I must admit was pretty amazing), unprotected might I add and become an item. Girl k doesnt have a clue, she knows I live with girl s but thinks we are just friends as does girl s think Im friends with girl k I feel like this story is a bit boring so Im going to cut out a chunk to but yeah routine would be something like come home spend one day with girl s, maybe the next day after work Id tell girl s I was visiting my friend girl k. However as time went on suspicions became aroused between both k and s (k by right had no reason to be asking questions or upset as she had a bf of five years but yeah) and I even when the spoke I managed to manipulate the situation so they both hated each other (I made k think s was crazy she they spoke on fb and she claimed to be my gf), I manipulated a conversation with girl s that allowed k to listen in to that with selective wording made it seem like me and s werent together. This went on for like two months or so.
Enter girl b, Im getting pretty tired of all this now, its becoming stressful lol, literally juggling two women is an emotional drag drain. Ive quickly realised Im in a situation where I dont like girl s but I feel trapped because I live with her and her son and I enjoyed the sex. Girl k now is starting to question her whole relationship with her bf because shes slowly starting to realise she has feelings for me its all to much so . I randomly start talking to this girl on fb, we kinda knew each other, I stood her up on a date previously she went on holiday but we lost contact and started talking again. At first she was honestly there for me to vent to, I told her everything, I told her I was deeply in love with girl k, but I was seeing girl s and how complicated my life was etc. Again Im trying to keep this story short for some weird reason I remember I started venting talking to girl b more and more like really opening up, it was different to girl k is the only word I can use. Literally thought NOTHING of it, pure friendship just someone to allow my to clear my head with cus this situation was becoming intense (pictures would be up of my and girl s, girl k would be asking questionsm girl k would be phoning me at stupid o clock leading girl s to also question our friendship) and I remember thnking one weekend (never forget the date) I need a break. So I randomely asked girl b if I could see her, to my surprise she said yes, she lived around 400 miles away from me in a different city. But from the moment I met her I honestly knew I didnt want anything to do with girl s or k anymore, girl k was dilly dallying around and couldnt make up her mind what she wanted and I told her I met someone else. I never forget literally the next day she broke up with bf and kissed me in the car, sounds so superfisical but the worst kiss Ive ever had I thought thank fuck I met girl b but I didnt tell her that, I told her I needed time (Im a douche you dont need to tell me).
So now I think Im falling madly in love with girl b, not really sure what to do with girl k and girl s just an after thought but were still sleeping together because its convienent and I live with her. My life consisted off sneaking away every other weekend to see girl b, juggling between girl k and s and trying to maintain a job lol (I had help from a close friend who covered for me). But it gets to the point where I stop caring, I tell girl b Ive broken up with girl s (Im building up to it but girl b wont do anything with me until I get out of situation) and I girl k still feels like there is hope for us. But I started to get sloppy, too sloppy.
I never forget the phone call I received one Sunday on a trip back from seeing girl b (who Im head over heels about now btw and I did have intentions of getting out of my situation it was just a mess). Girl Ks best friend phones me to ask me where I am, which was weird but I just said on the way back from a friends house. But in the words of peter parker, sent my spider sense tingling. When I got back to the house something told me (she lived on the ground floor flat) to look through the window, low and behold girl k her best friend girl s and around 8 guys with baseball bats, I saw a few guns and knuckle dusters where there in the living room. I thought OMG Im dead, theres no way I can even go in there. So I was like I needed to get my stuff and just disappear. So I waited until like 3am in the morning and tried to sneak in with my key, door was on latch bad idea. Girl S came to the door and I saw my bags packed but there were other people in the house. Lets just say a gun was put to my head and girl k was called and I was made to confess and own up to everything. Girl s is what you Americans would call ratchet, and her male family members where not impressed with my treatment of her, I thought I was dead, I got beaten up badly, think something along the scene from training day where the Mexicans are about to kill the cop. My head forced in running bath with what I could only assume was some kind of .38 to my skull. In the end it took girl s to beg for them not to kill me for them not to do it. long story short I owed quite a lot of money and so had to be empty out my bank account and yeah was kicked out on the street, I was like homeless for a few weeks. No one at work knew, I was living on buss in parks and just getting to work early and showering etc until I got myself back on my feet.
Ever since then, Ive thought you know what, its not worth it, I love my life too much to every play with a girls heart like that. A lot of people I talk to say she went too far but I honestly dont think I would have ever learned otherwise. Like I missed out a lot (she had an abortion for me, introuduced me to her family girl s) like you cant play with peoples lives like that man, so to cheater you may see what your doing as harmless fun but someone has made a commitment to you which in my opinion is one of the most serious decisions a person can make. Its really not fair to do people like that and I hope it doesnt take a gun to your head to realise the mistakes. Like if anyone asks me what I value most in a relationship now, its honesty man, without you have nothing and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
p.s. me and girl b ended being in a three year relationship which was also destroyed due to her not being able to ultimately get passed the circumstances we got together.
When I was about 11, my cousin (also 11) stuck his dick up my butt. Not much of it, and nothing else happened and I wasn't forced, he took it back out after a few seconds. Between the ages of 13/14 I had anal/oral with two other guys, a family friend and another of my friends (also same age). I've only been attracted to girls, and have only had straight relationships since, as has every other of the guys involved. I'm not against the idea of experimenting with men more (or maybe transgender would be a better fit), which is odd because I'm still pretty much entirely attracted to girls, and if that makes me Bi I'm fine with that. It just seemed odd to me that I had that happen with 3 separate guys in my youth. It makes me wonder how common that kind of same-sex experimentation happens between young guys (and girls, I guess) and they just don't talk about we, or even how many guys are secretly bi and never act on it. I guess the popularity of shemale porn sort of answers that, though with no male/male attraction involved you could argue there's nothing gay about it. I'm not uncomfortable with any label anyone wants to attach to me, but I guess most guys that are interested in/have had experiences like this are and keep it all entirely private.
The vengeance is not what I'm concerned about right now!
Like, how are K and S doing right now? Have you ever tried to check up on them after that mess, or did you cut and run after ending up on the street? Because you seem okay right now, but I'm worried about those two with what you did to them, especially S! That's not the sort of shit that goes away!
When I was about 11, my cousin (also 11) stuck his dick up my butt. Not much of it, and nothing else happened and I wasn't forced, he took it back out after a few seconds. Between the ages of 13/14 I had anal/oral with two other guys, a family friend and another of my friends (also same age). I've only been attracted to girls, and have only had straight relationships since, as has every other of the guys involved. I'm not against the idea of experimenting with men more (or maybe transgender would be a better fit), which is odd because I'm still pretty much entirely attracted to girls, and if that makes me Bi I'm fine with that. It just seemed odd to me that I had that happen with 3 separate guys in my youth. It makes me wonder how common that kind of same-sex experimentation happens between young guys (and girls, I guess) and they just don't talk about we, or even how many guys are secretly bi and never act on it. I guess the popularity of shemale porn sort of answers that, though with no male/male attraction involved you could argue there's nothing gay about it. I'm not uncomfortable with any label anyone wants to attach to me, but I guess most guys that are interested in/have had experiences like this are and keep it all entirely private.
Before I explain, I haven't really spoken to k, but she's doing well actually ended up marrying the bf and they're happy. I think it really did break her heart but She knows I'm sorry. Girl s is doing better, we actually speak now and I'd regard us as friends, like we've both grown up somewhat since than have spoken about the abortion. Even though I wasn't ready, it's a decision that I sincerely regret because as I've grown I've realised I love children. But you live and you learn.
Well, when I was little (even younger than 11, if I remember correctly) me and a few of my guy friends regularly... tried some stuff out. I'll leave the details up to your imagination. Most of them turned out completely straight as far as I know.
One of them dates one girl after the other (sometimes at the same time) nowadays, yet he has very few problems about getting into bed with other guys. I don't think he gets attracted to men romantically though. I'm bisexual myself, though I have a preference for men.
We never really bring that stuff up anymore though. I'm pretty sure most of them have blocked it out of their memories by now.
I was that dude who always had a gf, and in retrospect I've been a pretty decent bf with the exception of id always have a slightly inappropriate friendships with other females while having gf.
We never really bring that stuff up anymore though. I'm pretty sure most of them have blocked it out of their memories by now.
Confession: I am now fucking obsessed with Eden Sher, who plays Sue Heck on The Middle.
Confession: I am now fucking obsessed with Eden Sher, who plays Sue Heck on The Middle.
Really? Her?
(casually looks her up on google images)
Holy shit.
When not in sue heck mode I'm with you
When most straight guys get out of their teens they generally prefer to pretend that none of that stuff ever happened.![]()
Soulfucker once again.
I think it's time I talked about Vore-Fox. Like, really talked about him. Not just about his fetishes and shit, but what kind of person he was, and what ended up happening to him, and what I did as a result. Fair warning to everyone reading, this is probably gonna get really wordy and maybe not all that coherent. Also sad, very very sad.
Vore-Fox did not have a very good lot in life. I learned quite a bit about him from our gmail chats, and he was a pretty insightful person, and I talked to him about some issues I was having in the RP we were both in, as well as some real-life issues I was having, and his advice made me feel a lot better and it was actually really helpful. I still wasn't gonna indulge his fantasies, though, still too freaky for me.
One day, he made a thread on a dead discussion board which was often used by other Rpers in our group, hidden through obscurity. By that point, he'd pretty much stopped Rping altogether, since pretty much everyone was uncomfortable with him and his fetishes, and he just talked. About his life, people that betrayed him, about being pushed rather hard at work, to the point of ACTUALLY VOMITING and still having to do his job, and then getting fired and the company fighting him on unemployment benefits. He also talked about his suicidal tendencies every now and then, and sometimes he went really deep into detail with his thoughts. He made it clear that he never told any of his family or real-life friends about it.
I'm telling you this so you know just how much I knew about him, and how much of a fucking idiot I was back then.
Because I had friended him on a social network. And he had his family members friended on there too. I never really messaged them, though, for reasons that made sense to me at the time. One, it would've made things really awkward between the two of us. Two, I never thought he was gonna act out on his thoughts of suicide, I thought that letting him have an outlet to vent and a place to talk to him would've done enough to keep him alive.
It didn't.
I found out by just looking at his social network wall one day. He left one message.
“I'm sorry. I failed you all.”
I find out later (through a memorial thread) that he shot himself through the head. He had a rather large gun collection.
And then I saw some of his family commenting, saying things like “Vore-Fox, you shouldn't have taken that route”, and they didn't seem to know why he killed himself. I pulled a stupid move, and I commented as well, asking if he “really offed himself”.
They didn't take it very well. They didn't take me very well as whole, actually. Because I was this dumbfuck on the internet who knew what Vore-Fox was really thinking, and didn't share it with his family. I at least shared the news of Vore-Fox's suicide with the other Rpers, and shared that one thread I was talking about earlier with one of Vore-Fox's brothers (who I'm gonna refer to as Wolf), to share with the rest of the family so they'd know why he did it, and they could at least have closure.
Wolf came into the thread and chewed all of us out, lashing out against everyone there for essentially doing nothing. He wasn't exactly wrong, but I put myself on the front lines like an idiot again, saying that I was the only one in the group who used a social network, so I was the only one that could've done something and the others didn't deserve such a harsh condemnation. That got him to threaten me with a wrongful death suit, which he didn't follow up on, but it was fucking devastating being on the business end of his grief and rage. It's not something I want to experience again.
Eventually, one of the Rpers (who I'll call Candy) made a thread on the main board we and Vore-Fox had frequented, to tell them of Vore-Fox's suicide.
That's when I learned I wasn't the only one who had friended him and knew his social network profile. There were a bunch of “RIP” comments on that “I failed you all” post Vore-Fox made, after Candy made the thread, and a few snippets from chat logs that those people had with Vore-Fox in the thread, and it hit me that nobody did a goddamn thing for Vore-Fox. Sure, they listened, sometimes, but we never really helped, we thought he was too freaky and most of us tried to sort of push him away like something unpleasant even though he was a ticking time bomb. If someone gave a damn, he might still be alive. I still feel guilty about this, YEARS after the fact, and enraged at myself whenever I think about it.
That's pretty much the entire point of me sharing all this. If GAFFers know anyone online who's dealing with suicidal thoughts, and they're in a situation like me where they find this person on a social network, and they have family members friended, take the fucking opportunity and message them, tell them everything that person has said to you, because while you might not be in a position to directly help them, they are. Don't hesitate for a single fucking second no matter how freaky this person might be, because if they take their own life, the guilt and the self-loathing is going to scar the hell out of you.
That's all I have for now. Please have a nice day, everyone.
That's when I learned I wasn't the only one who had friended him and knew his social network profile. There were a bunch of RIP comments on that I failed you all post Vore-Fox made, after Candy made the thread, and a few snippets from chat logs that those people had with Vore-Fox in the thread, and it hit me that nobody did a goddamn thing for Vore-Fox. Sure, they listened, sometimes, but we never really helped, we thought he was too freaky and most of us tried to sort of push him away like something unpleasant even though he was a ticking time bomb. If someone gave a damn, he might still be alive. I still feel guilty about this, YEARS after the fact, and enraged at myself whenever I think about it.
That's pretty much the entire point of me sharing all this. If GAFFers know anyone online who's dealing with suicidal thoughts, and they're in a situation like me where they find this person on a social network, and they have family members friended, take the fucking opportunity and message them, tell them everything that person has said to you, because while you might not be in a position to directly help them, they are. Don't hesitate for a single fucking second no matter how freaky this person might be, because if they take their own life, the guilt and the self-loathing is going to scar the hell out of you.
I suppose that's because it doesn't happen to most straight guys.
Confession: I am now fucking obsessed with Eden Sher, who plays Sue Heck on The Middle.
Jesus christ! What's girl b's siuation now?? Actually, what happened with K after the almost shooting?snip
How could this even be said in the same sentence? Do you really think, in retrospect, that you have been a pretty decent bf? You haven't changed at all. You're a scumbag.
When I was about 11, my cousin (also 11) stuck his dick up my butt. Not much of it, and nothing else happened and I wasn't forced, he took it back out after a few seconds. Between the ages of 13/14 I had anal/oral with two other guys, a family friend and another of my friends (also same age). I've only been attracted to girls, and have only had straight relationships since, as has every other of the guys involved. I'm not against the idea of experimenting with men more (or maybe transgender would be a better fit), which is odd because I'm still pretty much entirely attracted to girls, and if that makes me Bi I'm fine with that. It just seemed odd to me that I had that happen with 3 separate guys in my youth. It makes me wonder how common that kind of same-sex experimentation happens between young guys (and girls, I guess) and they just don't talk about we, or even how many guys are secretly bi and never act on it. I guess the popularity of shemale porn sort of answers that, though with no male/male attraction involved you could argue there's nothing gay about it. I'm not uncomfortable with any label anyone wants to attach to me, but I guess most guys that are interested in/have had experiences like this are and keep it all entirely private.
To be fair, I know someone who had a certain type of chronic depression (it had a certain name)
who comments of a suicidal nature were a day to day thing
apparently someone didn't realise this
One day someone over the net called the police on them
They came back a week later and it was a[apparently one of the worst violations of their autonomy
and the fact an anonymous person on the internet can get them institutionalised (because they have a history with mental illness) with just a phone call terrified them
so just keep in mind its a double edged thing
That's a summary?
What's the tl;dr of the tl;dr?
Dude fucks around a bit, manipulates / messes up some lives, doesn't feel particularly bad about it.
That's a summary?
Wtf at soulfucking?!
Anyway to the cheater, meant to type this earlier and hope you can take something away from this story. Don't mind sharing (seeing as everyone GAF likes to share everything lol) so I'll try keep this brief. I'm typing on my phone so I'll re-read and edit for grammar when I can.
I used to love women, part of my up bringing I think has to do with why I love the emotional attention so much but every since I lost my virginity I've pretty much been in a relationship lol. I was that dude who always had a gf, and in retrospect I've been a pretty decent bf with the exception of id always have a slightly inappropriate friendships with other females while having gf. Nothing sexual at first, just talking to them far too much getting to close until we both were started to develop feelings and that said female would then usually replace my gf in a messy break up.
Fast forward a few years and I've just broken up with my first real gf and randomly this girl I've known since childhood is in the same city as I am. We meet up old as friends etc. she's sharing a hotel with her best friend and it's all innocent at first. She's actually a really well sweet lady she has a bf of five years and we just chill, watch films etc and really hit it off. She's travelling back to London the next day so we exchange numbers and promised we'd keep in contact as friends because ya know who can't have friends. We will call this girl k. So even though she has a bf of five years we slowly begin to start texting more which leads to more phone conversations and she tells her bf I'm just a friend but I know his eyebrows are raised but what can he really say. I decide I like this girl (I geniunly did develop deep feelings for her) , but knew if I made a move it'd be over I didn't want to ruin our friendship so I kinda put it that to one side and we became closer and closer. To the point where she would call her bf at night have their little convo but then call me after to talk all night. We were really good friends but we still lived in different city's so as her bf became more and more annoyed (she just said we were friends and I think she was naive enough to believe that) it wasn't an issue.
Next thing I got a job offer to move to london (ahhh the start of my search career) and I needed a place to stay. Again just on Facebook im randomly talking to a girl who was in my school (high school) but was four or so years my senior, she actually amazingly had a spare room and said I could crash with her. We call this girl s. Randomly by pure chance k lived like 5 minute drive from s (which is pretty coincidental considering how big London is lol) so yeah I told k and she was over the moon. Her best friend was going to be a stone throw from her (her bf lived like an hours drive on the other side of London) so we'd be able to talk more face to face and do stuff. I should also make this clear i like this girl and I am well aware of what this will probably lead to (I wanted her to be mine I didn't give a fuck about anyone else) so I was also happy. Now girl s, I really think nothing of her in an sexual way, I never forget first day I move down she's cooking for me (forgot to mention s has a son as cute as hell about 1 years old or so) and I'm one of those dudes that again I dunno I always blur the lines even when they don't need to be blurred but yeah she's cooking and I put my hands her waist to hug her (friendly hug but ya know who does that lol) and she likes it. Let's just say by the time I was meant to sleep in the spare room I ended up her bed, we kissed but that was it. She was due to go on a family holiday the next day so she left early morning and I didn't think too much of it. Also as an fyi s and k kinda know each other (like have each other on fb but not friends or anything).
Girl s is America so I switch my attention back to k, we are talking (as friends but more than friends should) like she was one of those girls who probably couldn't handle what she was doing so wanted to feel it was innocent. We'd play pool, she'd come to my house (or girl s house lol) and we'd chill (she was also a virgin so I didn't even try play ANYTHING sexual initially) blah blah, her bf is seriously getting pissed but ya know what can he really say, we are just friends. After a few days girl s emails me from the usa like shall we talk about what happened and ended confessing she wanted to fuck me, like the 19 year old idiot I am I thought GREAT. So because she was older had a kid saw a guy that had pretty good prospects I think she latched on to me pretty quickly, I mean I kinda liked girl s but at the time I certainly thought I was falling in love with girl k. So girl s begins talking about how we are going to be an item when we get back play happy families etc. in my retarded immature head I thought this was excellent, I could have as much sex as I'd want chill with a cool girl and her son and still have my friendship with girl k.
Girl s returns and we hook up, starting having sex (which I must admit was pretty amazing), unprotected might I add and become an item. Girl k doesnt have a clue, she knows I live with girl s but thinks we are just friends as does girl s think Im friends with girl k I feel like this story is a bit boring so Im going to cut out a chunk to but yeah routine would be something like come home spend one day with girl s, maybe the next day after work Id tell girl s I was visiting my friend girl k. However as time went on suspicions became aroused between both k and s (k by right had no reason to be asking questions or upset as she had a bf of five years but yeah) and I even when the spoke I managed to manipulate the situation so they both hated each other (I made k think s was crazy she they spoke on fb and she claimed to be my gf), I manipulated a conversation with girl s that allowed k to listen in to that with selective wording made it seem like me and s werent together. This went on for like two months or so.
Enter girl b, Im getting pretty tired of all this now, its becoming stressful lol, literally juggling two women is an emotional drag drain. Ive quickly realised Im in a situation where I dont like girl s but I feel trapped because I live with her and her son and I enjoyed the sex. Girl k now is starting to question her whole relationship with her bf because shes slowly starting to realise she has feelings for me its all to much so . I randomly start talking to this girl on fb, we kinda knew each other, I stood her up on a date previously she went on holiday but we lost contact and started talking again. At first she was honestly there for me to vent to, I told her everything, I told her I was deeply in love with girl k, but I was seeing girl s and how complicated my life was etc. Again Im trying to keep this story short for some weird reason I remember I started venting talking to girl b more and more like really opening up, it was different to girl k is the only word I can use. Literally thought NOTHING of it, pure friendship just someone to allow my to clear my head with cus this situation was becoming intense (pictures would be up of my and girl s, girl k would be asking questionsm girl k would be phoning me at stupid o clock leading girl s to also question our friendship) and I remember thnking one weekend (never forget the date) I need a break. So I randomely asked girl b if I could see her, to my surprise she said yes, she lived around 400 miles away from me in a different city. But from the moment I met her I honestly knew I didnt want anything to do with girl s or k anymore, girl k was dilly dallying around and couldnt make up her mind what she wanted and I told her I met someone else. I never forget literally the next day she broke up with bf and kissed me in the car, sounds so superfisical but the worst kiss Ive ever had I thought thank fuck I met girl b but I didnt tell her that, I told her I needed time (Im a douche you dont need to tell me).
So now I think Im falling madly in love with girl b, not really sure what to do with girl k and girl s just an after thought but were still sleeping together because its convienent and I live with her. My life consisted off sneaking away every other weekend to see girl b, juggling between girl k and s and trying to maintain a job lol (I had help from a close friend who covered for me). But it gets to the point where I stop caring, I tell girl b Ive broken up with girl s (Im building up to it but girl b wont do anything with me until I get out of situation) and I girl k still feels like there is hope for us. But I started to get sloppy, too sloppy.
I never forget the phone call I received one Sunday on a trip back from seeing girl b (who Im head over heels about now btw and I did have intentions of getting out of my situation it was just a mess). Girl Ks best friend phones me to ask me where I am, which was weird but I just said on the way back from a friends house. But in the words of peter parker, sent my spider sense tingling. When I got back to the house something told me (she lived on the ground floor flat) to look through the window, low and behold girl k her best friend girl s and around 8 guys with baseball bats, I saw a few guns and knuckle dusters where there in the living room. I thought OMG Im dead, theres no way I can even go in there. So I was like I needed to get my stuff and just disappear. So I waited until like 3am in the morning and tried to sneak in with my key, door was on latch bad idea. Girl S came to the door and I saw my bags packed but there were other people in the house. Lets just say a gun was put to my head and girl k was called and I was made to confess and own up to everything. Girl s is what you Americans would call ratchet, and her male family members where not impressed with my treatment of her, I thought I was dead, I got beaten up badly, think something along the scene from training day where the Mexicans are about to kill the cop. My head forced in running bath with what I could only assume was some kind of .38 to my skull. In the end it took girl s to beg for them not to kill me for them not to do it. long story short I owed quite a lot of money and so had to be empty out my bank account and yeah was kicked out on the street, I was like homeless for a few weeks. No one at work knew, I was living on buss in parks and just getting to work early and showering etc until I got myself back on my feet.
Ever since then, Ive thought you know what, its not worth it, I love my life too much to every play with a girls heart like that. A lot of people I talk to say she went too far but I honestly dont think I would have ever learned otherwise. Like I missed out a lot (she had an abortion for me, introuduced me to her family girl s) like you cant play with peoples lives like that man, so to cheater you may see what your doing as harmless fun but someone has made a commitment to you which in my opinion is one of the most serious decisions a person can make. Its really not fair to do people like that and I hope it doesnt take a gun to your head to realise the mistakes. Like if anyone asks me what I value most in a relationship now, its honesty man, without you have nothing and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
p.s. me and girl b ended being in a three year relationship which was also destroyed due to her not being able to ultimately get passed the circumstances we got together.
Before you made that post detailing how S and K are doing, I was fully prepared to point out how similar I thought you were to Doozy. Playing with a girl's heart like that just for a few fucks. I'm telling you right now, you are so lucky that you and S are on speaking terms. And even though I'm pulling the Doozy card, you're still better than him for two main reasons.
One, you confessed it (even if it was under extreme danger), you've learned from what you've done, and you've taken an approach that you would ensure you would never repeat it again.
Two, you made an effort to reconnect with some of the people you hurt, like S, and your actions somehow weren't so devastating that it ruined these people.
So if I can give you any advice at all, it's this:
Cherish what you've learned, and cherish that you've been able to turn yourself around as a person because of it, because unlike you, as far as I know, Doozy never did that.
What does tl;dr stand for I'm still trying to figure out this abbreviation.
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