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[Dargor]

Welcome back @devonraynor - What a ridiculous ban.

I'm so glad I never had anything to do with GAF in those days. I'd heard terrible things about this place being a den of radical SJWs and based on bans like that it obviously was. I doubt I would have ever come back if I ventured in here during those dark days. I feel fortunate to have only experienced the excellent new NeoGAF. A rare spot on the internet where opinions that go against the prevailing SJW/cancel culture narrative are actually allowed.

Yeah, those were not good days. I remember two poster in particular that the moment they entered the thread, discussion would slow, since people knew they were toxic. I dunno if people who were here at the time know of whom I'm talking about.

If you didnt agree with them, you had to keep your head low, which I did most of the time. I liked Gaf, not as much back then. I remember one time I actually engaged with them, I sincerely thought I would be banned, but didn't, maybe I got lucky, who knows.

The discussion was about sexy clothes for women (bikini armor and such) and how unrealistic they were. I interjected saying that how armor looks in a games has no bearing on how much defense it gives, its all about the stats it provides.

It actually went pretty well too, didnt get accused of anything and I think I got my point across. Maybe I got them in a good day

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You haven’t signed up for SonyGAF Platinum? It gives you unlimited forum permissions and ban immunity.

Gold is Old, gimme my Platinum!

 

[Bryank75]

You haven’t signed up for SonyGAF Platinum? It gives you unlimited forum permissions and ban immunity.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I did not suck anything.

 

[Rentahamster]

I did not suck anything.

That's a shame. That's the best part.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yeah, those were not good days. I remember two poster in particular that the moment they entered the thread, discussion would slow, since people knew they were toxic. I dunno if people who were here at the time know of whom I'm talking about.

If you didnt agree with them, you had to keep your head low, which I did most of the time. I liked Gaf, not as much back then. I remember one time I actually engaged with them, I sincerely thought I would be banned, but didn't, maybe I got lucky, who knows.

The discussion was about sexy clothes for women (bikini armor and such) and how unrealistic they were. I interjected saying that how armor looks in a games has no bearing on how much defense it gives, its all about the stats it provides.

It actually went pretty well too, didnt get accused of anything and I think I got my point across. Maybe I got them in a good day

I'm more than sure they didn't know about Nier Automata back then:

The most convincing body armor in gaming history. The whole members would've got banned, I guess.

 

[Kagey K]

Jesus at the amount of people going down over the 9TF thing. Just let it go. Once we get the PS5 broken down and get side by side comparisons on the games, everyone will know if it’s true or not.

Until then it’s a battle you will always lose.

 

[Tesseract]

Jesus at the amount of people going down over the 9TF thing. Just let it go. Once we get the PS5 broken down and get side by side comparisons on the games, everyone will know if it’s true or not.

Until then it’s a battle you will always lose.

 

[AV]

 

[MasterCornholio]

Once we get the PS5 broken down and get side by side comparisons on the games, everyone will know if it’s true or not.

No we won't. Just because the PS5 runs a game at a lower FPS or resolution will not be an indication that it's a 9TF system. The only way to know that is if the developers give us hard data like the Clockspeeds. That's something that a Digital Foundry multiplat comparison won't give us.

So in conclusion making a 9TF claim without any proof will just net you a ban here. The mods are asking for hard proof. If you can provide it you can claim that the system is 9TF. If you can't you will be moderated.

Just dropping this here because I know some people will fall into the temptation for making 9TFs claims with Digital Foundrys comparisons.

I know I promised not to post in the ban thread but I've seen too many people get banned over this 9TF claim. It's getting silly at this point so I dropped my two cents to hopefully stop more bans in the future.

Edit: Shin got permmed over a meltdown from his 9TF comment so please don't make the same mistake.

 

[AV]

No we won't. Just because the PS5 runs a game at a lower FPS or resolution will not be an indication that it's a 9TF system. The only way to know that is if the developers give us hard data like the Clockspeeds. That's something that a Digital Foundry multiplat comparison won't give us.

So in conclusion making a 9TF claim without any proof will just net you a ban here. The mods are asking for hard proof. If you can provide it you can claim that the system is 9TF. If you can't you will be moderated.

Just dropping this here because I know some people will fall into the temptation for making 9TFs claims with Digital Foundrys comparisons.

I know I promised not to post in the ban thread but I've seen too many people get banned over this 9TF claim. It's getting silly at this point so I dropped my two cents to hopefully stop more bans in the future.

Edit: Shin got permmed over a meltdown from his 9TF comment so please don't make the same mistake.

It's the dumbest fucking thing for people to get angry/upset/banned over. I just can't understand it and it keeps happening over and over and over.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It's the dumbest fucking thing for people to get angry/upset/banned over. I just can't understand it and it keeps happening over and over and over.

It's called spreading FUD.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Console wars are serious business! I said it once before, you know that shit is just sad when some of us flee to the Politics sub to get away from it all.

 

[SleepDoctor]

Dont get me wrong, if its was the 'Official Sony thread', i wouldnt have a problem with it, but its not, its the 'Next Gen Speculation' thread, where everyone should be allowed to discuss next gen systems without being attacked.
I mean you said it yourself, you were attacked for saying you werent impressed with Sony's conference, and i'm the same. Sony usually knock it out of the park with their E3 shows, but this one was poor by their high standards. You just get labeled a fanboy if you dare suggest otherwise though. I mean there were more games that impressed me at Microsofts much maligned 3rd party show lol (Bright Infinity, Vampire Bloodlines 2, The Medium, Scorn, Dirt 5, and a couple of tohers).

Its embarrassing you can't criticize anything Sony related. Yet when I have a criticism towards Microsoft or whatever they love my posts.

This thread is a perfect example. A warrior antagonizing the op and saying he's a warrior over his questions

Ps5 explainable SSD costs

So I am looking at what I will be doing for my next gen console (I am getting both) an I'm looking at what I can do with adding additional SSD to the PS5, and it's looking like it's going to cost maybe $500 for an SSD that will get the tick from Sony. Is Sony also going to do a version...

www.neogaf.com

Same guy who said the Sony event would show Ps5 a next gen console and xsx isnt. Yet no ban yet for posting shit as stupid as that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[nush]

Really doesn't need the cartoon Spidermen there. It's ok, the joke is obvious enough.

 

[MoreJRPG]

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

Who knows?? 🙄

www.neogaf.com

The reply ban was also caveated, with the offer of having the reply ban lifted early if the claims were substantiated. At which we go back to an earlier post in the thread which clarifies the whole downlocking, overclocking speeds debate. The reason it is clamped down on is because it is purely console warrior fuel. The Xbox Series X is more powerful than the PS5, that's it. In a nutshell. The aim of pushing 9TF is not to have honest debate. It's purely to try and frame the PS5 as running at that power level for the majority of the time despite the multiple clarifications this is not the case. Especially when in other posts you quite happily refer to the PS5 as 10TF. And this is where I have to circle back round to people deliberately making statements in that thread to 'fish' for reply bans, to try and evidence a different picture to what is actually happening. Unfortunately I can't really say what could be the cause of these drastic changes of opinion and engagement, only highlight them and warn against getting swept up in currents that try to manipulate your otherwise cordial voice.

Solved.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Really doesn't need the cartoon Spidermen there. It's ok, the joke is obvious enough.

It was one for every camp, I was just too lazy to add the logos.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

I was just too lazy to add the logos.

 

[Ornlu]

The console is nine teraflops though. 9.2 teraflops to be exact. You can parade the “boosted” number of 10+ that Cerny was talking about to make up for their short comings in the system engineering but that doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s a native 9 teraflop gpu. That is the spec. That is the number. Digital Foundry wouldn’t put their credibility on the line for a piece on the github leak if they didn’t verify it’s authenticity. Boosted or not, it is factually a native 9 teraflop GPU.

But you’re free to skew the narrative if you like, just as you’re free to perma ban me for speaking on the teraflops count of the console(who knew it was such a sensitive subject.) Especially for me, considering I’ve been banned for console warring for both Microsoft and Sony somehow. I’ve magically transcended to being a console warrior for both of the consoles that I own.

What it boils down to is that it appears according to what you’re saying is that everything in the GitHub leak was true except the PS5 GPU power, and you don’t like that truth. How ironic.

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[DeepEnigma]

The hill some of the warriors want to die on is some corny ass shit.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The console is nine teraflops though. 9.2 teraflops to be exact. You can parade the “boosted” number of 10+ that Cerny was talking about to make up for their short comings in the system engineering but that doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s a native 9 teraflop gpu. That is the spec. That is the number. Digital Foundry wouldn’t put their credibility on the line for a piece on the github leak if they didn’t verify it’s authenticity. Boosted or not, it is factually a native 9 teraflop GPU.

But you’re free to skew the narrative if you like, just as you’re free to perma ban me for speaking on the teraflops count of the console(who knew it was such a sensitive subject.) Especially for me, considering I’ve been banned for console warring for both Microsoft and Sony somehow. I’ve magically transcended to being a console warrior for both of the consoles that I own.

What it boils down to is that it appears according to what you’re saying is that everything in the GitHub leak was true except the PS5 GPU power, and you don’t like that truth. How ironic.

There is literally no confirmation anywhere it will EVER drop as low as 9.2 teraflops. There is no "boosted" number, Cerny told of the actual performance capabilities. I like the idea that DF wouldn't risk their credibility but apparently Sweeney will? What? I hope you do get perma banned because people who gaslight this hard with no evidence at all aren't really welcome.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

The console is nine teraflops though. 9.2 teraflops to be exact. You can parade the “boosted” number of 10+ that Cerny was talking about to make up for their short comings in the system engineering but that doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s a native 9 teraflop gpu. That is the spec. That is the number. Digital Foundry wouldn’t put their credibility on the line for a piece on the github leak if they didn’t verify it’s authenticity. Boosted or not, it is factually a native 9 teraflop GPU.

But you’re free to skew the narrative if you like, just as you’re free to perma ban me for speaking on the teraflops count of the console(who knew it was such a sensitive subject.) Especially for me, considering I’ve been banned for console warring for both Microsoft and Sony somehow. I’ve magically transcended to being a console warrior for both of the consoles that I own.

What it boils down to is that it appears according to what you’re saying is that everything in the GitHub leak was true except the PS5 GPU power, and you don’t like that truth. How ironic.

Smart move.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

The console is nine teraflops though. 9.2 teraflops to be exact. You can parade the “boosted” number of 10+ that Cerny was talking about to make up for their short comings in the system engineering but that doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s a native 9 teraflop gpu. That is the spec. That is the number. Digital Foundry wouldn’t put their credibility on the line for a piece on the github leak if they didn’t verify it’s authenticity. Boosted or not, it is factually a native 9 teraflop GPU.

What it boils down to is that it appears according to what you’re saying is that everything in the GitHub leak was true except the PS5 GPU power, and you don’t like that truth. How ironic.

The offer to you, is the same as below. Your post provides no evidence contrary to the lead engineers speech/breakdown. Your post makes a giant leap about a tech house and credibility, despite DF having to roll back many statements in the past on comparisons. You attribute this to a 'leak' which also doesn't substantiate the claims. Your post is simply not evidence based. It's based on personal investment into the github leak (which is a common theme), and then a second leap of faith that aligns with what you want to hear.


At this point there is no point retreading ground. You are free to query it in this thread but you have your answer. If you do the same as everyone else and try to shoehorn it into posts as bait or to antagonise people, you will be banned. We have made this offer numerous times, and no one has been able to discredit Mark Cerny's 'Road to PS5' talk. The offer is also open to you.


You also do yourself a disservice pre-emptively crying about a permaban, and also rounding off with a flourish with the personal investment in the github leak - which if anything dents your credibility. Were we also to act in your manner, we could actually redirect your own statement right back at you:

What it boils down to is that it appears according to what you’re saying is that everything in the GitHub leak was true except the PS5 GPU power, and you don’t like that truth. How ironic.

How ironic, indeed. At no point have we ever made a statement saying the contents of any leak are correct. Moderation is based on evidence. At the moment, you want to use a contentious, unevidenced part of that leak as fact. Evidence it. Make it factual. We have been waiting for about three months for anyone to do this.

Based on the words from the architect of the PS5 himself and those quotes, if you wish to use 9TF seriously (and not as subtle antagonistic trolling) then you have to evidence its credibility in debate. To do that, you have to discredit Mark Cerny or:

1. Prove/evidence the clocks spend the majority of the time at 9.4TF or below, to legitimse the ~9TF rounding
2. Prove/evidence the downclocking will be more than a couple of percent which equals ~10TF

 

[Fake]

The console is nine teraflops though. 9.2 teraflops to be exact. You can parade the “boosted” number of 10+ that Cerny was talking about to make up for their short comings in the system engineering but that doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s a native 9 teraflop gpu. That is the spec. That is the number. Digital Foundry wouldn’t put their credibility on the line for a piece on the github leak if they didn’t verify it’s authenticity. Boosted or not, it is factually a native 9 teraflop GPU.

But you’re free to skew the narrative if you like, just as you’re free to perma ban me for speaking on the teraflops count of the console(who knew it was such a sensitive subject.) Especially for me, considering I’ve been banned for console warring for both Microsoft and Sony somehow. I’ve magically transcended to being a console warrior for both of the consoles that I own.

What it boils down to is that it appears according to what you’re saying is that everything in the GitHub leak was true except the PS5 GPU power, and you don’t like that truth. How ironic.

'This is my narrative, but you're free to ignore my narrative. No matter what is your narrative, Sony narrative don't make sense unlike my narrative.'

So cute when people don't believe what Sony say, but somehow believe in GitHub because facts.

 

[EviLore]

The console is nine teraflops though. 9.2 teraflops to be exact. You can parade the “boosted” number of 10+ that Cerny was talking about to make up for their short comings in the system engineering but that doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s a native 9 teraflop gpu. That is the spec. That is the number. Digital Foundry wouldn’t put their credibility on the line for a piece on the github leak if they didn’t verify it’s authenticity. Boosted or not, it is factually a native 9 teraflop GPU.

But you’re free to skew the narrative if you like, just as you’re free to perma ban me for speaking on the teraflops count of the console(who knew it was such a sensitive subject.) Especially for me, considering I’ve been banned for console warring for both Microsoft and Sony somehow. I’ve magically transcended to being a console warrior for both of the consoles that I own.

What it boils down to is that it appears according to what you’re saying is that everything in the GitHub leak was true except the PS5 GPU power, and you don’t like that truth. How ironic.

Truth, transcendence, faith, martyr complex.

You sound like a religious fundamentalist.

 

[MasterCornholio]

It's the dumbest fucking thing for people to get angry/upset/banned over. I just can't understand it and it keeps happening over and over and over.

I know and that's because nobody has given any proof to that being true yet. Even MoreJRPG did his best but he wasn't able to give us any evidence of that being true. It's like the comments about Xbox not being efficient and brute forcing everything. Unless you have proof to back up your claims it's straight up misinformation. And if there's one thing that we need alot less of here is misinformation.

Some of us just want to learn all that is possible with these systems. However having people drop claims without any evidence just ruins the experience for us. It's ok to speculate on the unknown but theres plenty of information that we do have. Trying to speak against the manufacturers is just straight up trolling.

How ironic, indeed. At no point have we ever made a statement saying the contents of any leak are correct. Moderation is based on evidence. At the moment, you want to use a contentious, unevidenced part of that leak as fact. Evidence it. Make it factual. We have been waiting for about three months for anyone to do this.

 

[Dargor]

The console is nine teraflops though. 9.2 teraflops to be exact. You can parade the “boosted” number of 10+ that Cerny was talking about to make up for their short comings in the system engineering but that doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s a native 9 teraflop gpu. That is the spec. That is the number. Digital Foundry wouldn’t put their credibility on the line for a piece on the github leak if they didn’t verify it’s authenticity. Boosted or not, it is factually a native 9 teraflop GPU.

But you’re free to skew the narrative if you like, just as you’re free to perma ban me for speaking on the teraflops count of the console(who knew it was such a sensitive subject.) Especially for me, considering I’ve been banned for console warring for both Microsoft and Sony somehow. I’ve magically transcended to being a console warrior for both of the consoles that I own.

What it boils down to is that it appears according to what you’re saying is that everything in the GitHub leak was true except the PS5 GPU power, and you don’t like that truth. How ironic.

Hey, come back, you cant just leave us like this!

 

[nush]

It was one for every camp, I was just too lazy to add the logos.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I would’ve taken it a step further and took the PC Spider-Man and put it on the side of the Nintendo Spider-Man and had three pointing at Sony... if I weren’t lazy.

 

[Tesseract]

 

[Fake]

Missing stadia and epic game store.

 

[Tesseract]

Missing stadia and epic game store.

this is the shareware version of 'Spider-Man Pointing at Spider-Man'

 

[GHG]

Why is the PC spiderman so low res?

 

[Nikana]

Why is the PC spiderman so low res?

It's steamed via Now.

 

[Xplainin]

Can I ask why I have been given a warning and a thread ban on the speculation thread? In fact I have been given a warning of a site ban as well?
I haven't trolled in any way, and I think I have conducted myself in a polite way and have just commented on how I understand things,

I would be interested if others here think I have been conducting myself poorly or have been trolling anyone here.

I am surprised and disappointed to say the least.
I would like some clarification by the mods here if I could please.

I would have thought that the idea is to encourage people to post and talk about the topics posted, rather it seems like this isn't the case.

Thank you.

 

[Stuart360]

Can I ask why I have been given a warning and a thread ban on the speculation thread? In fact I have been given a warning of a site ban as well?
I haven't trolled in any way, and I think I have conducted myself in a polite way and have just commented on how I understand things,

I would be interested if others here think I have been conducting myself poorly or have been trolling anyone here.

I am surprised and disappointed to say the least.
I would like some clarification by the mods here if I could please.

I would have thought that the idea is to encourage people to post and talk about the topics posted, rather it seems like this isn't the case.

Thank you.

The next gen thread?, well if you said anything that goes against the Sony grain in that thread, the resident mafia will mass report you.
I'm sure some people reported you for your 'bait' thread, even though i didnt take it as bait to be honest.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Can I ask why I have been given a warning and a thread ban on the speculation thread? In fact I have been given a warning of a site ban as well?
I haven't trolled in any way, and I think I have conducted myself in a polite way and have just commented on how I understand things,

I would be interested if others here think I have been conducting myself poorly or have been trolling anyone here.

I am surprised and disappointed to say the least.
I would like some clarification by the mods here if I could please.

I would have thought that the idea is to encourage people to post and talk about the topics posted, rather it seems like this isn't the case.

Thank you.

Because you are trolling threads and starting low effort bait topics. And just to lay any conspiracy theories to bed, it was the same for the poster Major_Key


Your conduct and M.O. was actually discussed in the mod channels a lot last night where examples and topics were all reviewed. Polite and subtle trolling is still trolling. Here is your comment that was basically based on nothing and stated as fact (again, notice the pattern here) - much as your stupid SSD topic and the follow up on BC for discs on discless consoles, that we have also been tracking. You haven't been flying under the radar, we have actively been keeping tabs on your posts and behaviour - since your account was flagged from the approval process. Now is the time to change, or decide if you want to be here.

It directs power between the CPU and GPU. How it works is on the PS5 reveal, it is what it is.
The XSX doesn't need Smartshift. Sony have only used it because they have thermal issues with running their APU at peaks loads.
As MS have said, the XSX will run at full speeds all day every day. It won't throttle.

However, if you want the reply ban lifted, I would ask that you evidence the above claim (bolded). Show us articles, and/or benchmarks where it shows the PS5 has thermal issues when running their system at the peak speeds, otherwise yes, you are trolling based on nothing. You have the exactly the same behaviour as all the rest. Try and pass something contentious off as fact with no substantiation. Just like if we were to say Microsoft made conservative estimates on their SSD speed because the NVMe will run too hot and cause thermal issues. It's rooted in nothing but fanboyism and speculation you want to be true. I refer you back to the original presentation earlier in this thread which contains two relevant quotes about the GPU and CPU spending the majority of their time at peak frequencies:

36 CUs at 2.23GHz is 10.3 Teraflops and we expect the GPU to spend most of its time at or close to that frequency and performance

Running the CPU at 3GHz was causing headaches with the old strategy. But now we can run it as high as 3.5GHz. In fact it spends most of its time at that frequency

Your task now is to evidence that there are thermal issues when the GPU and CPU are running at those peak frequencies as you claim. At the moment, the reply ban stands and the site ban warning will remain. Luckily for you, you have lots of threads, and nothing but time to prove you are engaging honestly and genuinely by:


i. Not making bait threads, or stupid threads that are designed just to cause fights;
ii. Not making stupid claims as facts without presenting proper evidence, which are designed just to antagonise people.


If this is too much of an ask, you are welcome to exercise your right to leave/not log in.

 

[Xplainin]

The next gen thread?, well if you said anything that goes against the Sony grain in that thread, the resident mafia will mass report you.
I'm sure some people reported you for your 'bait' thread, even though i didnt take it as bait to be honest.

The post that was highlighted in my warning was this
"
It directs power between the CPU and GPU. How it works is on the PS5 reveal, it is what it is.
The XSX doesn't need Smartshift. Sony have only used it because they have thermal issues with running their APU at peaks loads.
As MS have said, the XSX will run at full speeds all day every day. It won't throttle."

Nothing that I wrote there was trolling anything. It was about why Microsoft didn't run with Smartshift, yet Sony did. And my response was that MS didn't push the clocks on the GPU as Sony did and so didn't have the same thermal issues.
What I wrote is factual. It wasn't a made up troll.
Why anyone would report that I have no idea. And if it was reported, why did the mods just run with it?

Also, what thread did I post that would be considered a troll thread?
Nothing I have posted is trolling anyone. You try to come up with interesting threads to post and talk about. If someone doesn't think it's a good thread then don't comment and it will die off.

I haven't had one infraction point, no other warnings and then I end up with a thread ban, a site ban warning and a totally undeserved header that paints me as a troll. Disappointing.

 

[Stuart360]

Because you are trolling threads and starting low effort bait topics. And just to lay Stuart360 conspiracy theories to bed, it was the same for the poster Major_Key - seriously Stuart360 it's embarassing reading these remarks when we have a total of 90 pages worth of reply bans and site bans that evidence this is not the case. Please, elevate the conversation, this is not ATS - genuinely thought you were more level headed than this.

Bill O Rights did you missread my post or something?, i wasnt talking about you mods, who have a very hard job to do, as i have said many times. You guys are great lol.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Bill O Rights did you missread my post or something?, i wasnt talking about you mods, who have a very hard job to do, as i have said many times. You guys are great lol.

You seemed to be implying that we respond only to reports from Sony members? Apologies if I have misread that, but that is the way it appears.

 

[Stuart360]

You seemed to be implying that we respond only to reports from Sony members? Apologies if I have misread that, but that is the way it appears.

No i didnt mean that bud. If anything i have been surprised how straight and fair you guys have been with your bannings. I was reffering to the people in the next gen thread who admit to reporting people going against the Sony grain (basically if you dissagree with them, you are 'trolling'). I shouldnt of said it though as i did come off sarcastic, but not to you staff, no way. I certainly dont envy your jobs having to police this forum.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

No i didnt mean that bud. If anything i have been surprised how straight and fair you guys have been with your bannings. I was reffering to the people in the next gen thread who admit to reporting people going against the Sony grain (basically if you dissagree with them, you are 'trolling'). I shouldnt of said it though as i did come off sarcastic, but not to you staff, no way. I certainly doing envy your jobs having to police this forum.

That sounds like a misunderstanding on my part then, for which I apologise. I shall edit the post decreeing you as a colander head wearing, beard stroking crazy then

 

[SatansReverence]

Show us articles, and/or benchmarks where it shows the PS5 has thermal issues when running their system at the peak speeds, otherwise yes, you are trolling based on nothing.

There is a big problem in that thread where people are deliberately misconstruing posts in order to construct their own strawmans to attack with outright trolling, and attacking of other users.

You've basically done the same without the trolling/attacking.

There was no claim that the PS5 has thermal issues. It was stated, even by Sony themselves, that the PS5 uses smartshift to keep the console inside of their own thermal limits done so by limiting overall powerdraw of the console to prevent it generating more heat than the console can dissipate within their noise level limits.

Just because a post is being mass reported does not mean it is actually trolling.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

There was no claim that the PS5 has thermal issues. It was stated, even by Sony themselves, that the PS5 uses smartshift to keep the console inside of their own thermal limits done so by limiting overall powerdraw of the console to prevent it generating more heat than the console can dissipate within their noise level limits

Quite literally quoted. Are you saying the post below (linked) does not say that Sony have thermal issues (with the inferred PS5)? I dont know how else to present that to you?

Sony have only used it because they have thermal issues with running their APU at peaks loads.

If the posts are phrased with no bias as you have done above or Toadman did later in the thread that is fine. That is why both of you are still posting. This example is one that does not fit into that bracket. Both you and I understand exactly what is being said. As for deliberately misconstruing factual items then yes, we agree - as the above post demonstrates. They have deliberately misconstrued a fairly easy to grasp concept in order to snipe and introduce this 'Sony have thermal issues' point. Both consoles have thermal limits. Everything has thermal limits. Microsoft have 'thermal issues' running their kit at full load - if there were no thermal issues then no-one would ever need cooling. Again, pretty obvious. It's a post crafted to cause divisiona and arguments, just like the 9TF/Brute-force comments. We are not arbitrating petty feuds. If you want to argue, do it over PM's but when you try and derail the thread purposefully, you will be removed.


I'd also remind you at this point that the reply ban is more a symptom of a larger problem with this user, of which has been explained and discussed among the mod team.

 

[Yoshi]

Show us articles, and/or benchmarks where it shows the PS5 has thermal issues when running their system at the peak speeds, otherwise yes, you are trolling based on nothing.

I don't quite get this requirement. If the PS5 could run at peak frequency for both CPU and GPU at all time without heat issues, Sony would not have invested work into a logics to reduce frequency contextually. Heat issues are to my best knowledge the only reasonable reason to do that. The only alternative to that I could even think of is that they do it for ecological reasons (reduce power consumption), but then the frequency scaling would be much more flexible than just a few percent. That being said, I do think this can be good design and lead e.g. to less noisy cooling solutions or better longevity of the hardware.

This is not comparable to the 9.2TF discussion, because even if the recommended configuration for the chipset was 9.2TF (which is what we could derive from the Github leak), this is not the configuration PS5 is using, so discussing PS5 as a 9.2TF machine is a provocative discussion of a hypothetical scenario. Situative clock scaling to support heat management is a solution that has clear advantages for the prospective PS5 buyer and to my best knowledge the only reasonable reason adaptive clocks as presented by Cerny could be used. If only Xbox 360 had had adaptive clocks instead of RRODing .

 

[Xplainin]

Because you are trolling threads and starting low effort bait topics. And just to lay Stuart360 conspiracy theories to bed, it was the same for the poster Major_Key - seriously Stuart360 it's embarassing reading these remarks when we have a total of 90 pages worth of reply bans and site bans that evidence this is not the case. Please, elevate the conversation, this is not ATS - genuinely thought you were more level headed than this.


Your conduct and M.O. was actually discussed in the mod channels a lot last night where examples and topics were all reviewed. Polite and subtle trolling is still trolling. Here is your comment that was basically based on nothing and stated as fact (again, notice the pattern here) - much as your stupid SSD topic and the follow up on BC for discs on discless consoles, that we have also been tracking. You haven't been flying under the radar, we have actively been keeping tabs on your posts and behaviour - since your account was flagged from the approval process. Now is the time to change, or decide if you want to be here.





However, if you want the reply ban lifted, I would ask that you evidence the above claim (bolded). Show us articles, and/or benchmarks where it shows the PS5 has thermal issues when running their system at the peak speeds, otherwise yes, you are trolling based on nothing. You have the exactly the same behaviour as all the rest. Try and pass something contentious off as fact with no substantiation. Just like if we were to say Microsoft made conservative estimates on their SSD speed because the NVMe will run too hot and cause thermal issues and they don't want to overreach. It's rooted in nothing but fanboyism and speculation you want to be true. At the moment, the reply ban stands and the site ban warning will remain. Luckily for you, you have lots of threads and nothing but time to prove you are engaging honestly and genuinely by:


i. Not making bait threads, or stupid threads that are designed just to cause fights;
ii. Not making stupid claims as facts without presenting proper evidence, which are designed just to antagonise people.


If this is too much of an ask, you are welcome to exercise your right to leave/not log in.

With regards to my post that was deemed ban worthy what I said was from what I have read about.

The GPU clock of 2.23ghz is the upper limits of clock speeds.
Toms Hardware has put out expected specs of RDNA 2 cards. Navi 21 was said to have a clock speed of less than 1.80ghz, while Big Navi having a max of 2.25ghz clock speed.

AMD Big Navi and RDNA 2 GPUs: Everything We Know

The AMD Big Navi / RDNA 2 architecture powers the latest consoles and high-end graphics cards.

www.google.com

RDNA 1 cards had a maximum of 2.07ghz over clocked with boost.
AXRX-5700XT-8GBD6-WDH/OC

Not only that but all Nvidia card are below the clock speed of the PS5.

Eurogamer said in their PS5 breakdown
"However, for Sony this means that PlayStation 5 can hit GPU frequencies way, way higher than we expected. Those clocks are also significantly higher than anything seen from existing AMD parts in the PC space."

So to say that the PS5 is in the upper limits of clock speeds isn't trolling, but is a fact.

We dont have benchmarks from RDNA 2 cards yet, but it is safe to say that the PS5 GPU at 2.23ghz is going to generate alot of heat, and will require a very good cooling solution. This is apart of why variable clocks are used.
This was also pointed out by Eurogamer in their PS5 breakdown.

"So how does boost work in this case? Put simply, the PlayStation 5 is given a set power budget tied to the thermal limits of the cooling assembly. "It's a completely different paradigm," says Cerny. "Rather than running at constant frequency and letting the power vary based on the workload, we run at essentially constant power and let the frequency vary based on the workload."

Smartshift was used to shift power around the APU and because Sony wqs running at the higher end of clocks, and therefore thermals, to help mitigate this.

From AMD on Smartshift.
"SmartShift is also part of a new System Temperature Tracking paradigm that AMD is implementing in its new APUs. Even if there is power headroom, a system can’t turbo if there isn’t thermal headroom. Smart Temperature Tracing v2 (or STTv2) is designed to help a system boost for longer by knowing more about the thermal profile of the device."


Now as Microsoft is not pushing their clocks into the same territory as Sony is, and isn't using variable clocks, there was no need for them to use Smartshift.

As I said, what I wrote in that post was not trolling. It is factual from what I understand it.
I think I have shown that what I wrote is backed up by facts, and comes from information that is there to be consumed.

Can you now explain how what I wrote is still a troll?

 

[SatansReverence]

Quite literally quoted. Are you saying the post below (linked) does not say that Sony have thermal issues (with the inferred PS5)? I dont know how else to present that to you?

Sony have only used it because they have thermal issues with running their APU at peaks loads.

I guess I don't agree with the idea of removing "Sony have only used it because they have thermal issues" from it's qualifying context of "with running their APU at peaks loads."

 

[Xplainin]

Quite literally quoted. Are you saying the post below (linked) does not say that Sony have thermal issues (with the inferred PS5)? I dont know how else to present that to you?





If the posts are phrased with no bias as you have done above or Toadman did later in the thread that is fine. That is why both of you are still posting. This example is one that does not fit into that bracket. Both you and I understand exactly what is being said. As for deliberately misconstruing factual items then yes, we agree - as the above post demonstrates. They have deliberately misconstrued a fairly easy to grasp concept in order to snipe and introduce this 'Sony have thermal issues' point. Both consoles have thermal limits. Everything has thermal limits. Microsoft have 'thermal issues' running their kit at full load - if there were no thermal issues then no-one would ever need cooling. Again, pretty obvious. It's a post crafted to cause divisiona and arguments, just like the 9TF/Brute-force comments. We are not arbitrating petty feuds. If you want to argue, do it over PM's but when you try and derail the thread purposefully, you will be removed.


I'd also remind you at this point that the reply ban is more a symptom of a larger problem with this user, of which has been explained and discussed among the mod team.

To say that PS5 would have thermal issues running clocks so high isnt trolling. Its the reason why Sony has been said to have an exotic cooling solution for the PS5. Now as I stated after to another poster, is that it's an issue if they cant cool it. But to say that the thermal profile of the PS5 hasn't caused Sony to invest alot of time and effort into the cooling solution is not right.

You linked me to a post which you say was the reason for my thread ban, and I think I have demonstrated that what I wrote is factual as I understand it.
Now you say that its because of other posts I have written. Please let me know what posts I have written that are so called trolling, as I have not posted troll posts nor have I engaged in system wars.

 

[Bernkastel]

To say that PS5 would have thermal issues running clocks so high isnt trolling. Its the reason why Sony has been said to have an exotic cooling solution for the PS5. Now as I stated after to another poster, is that it's an issue if they cant cool it. But to say that the thermal profile of the PS5 hasn't caused Sony to invest alot of time and effort into the cooling solution is not right.

You linked me to a post which you say was the reason for my thread ban, and I think I have demonstrated that what I wrote is factual as I understand it.
Now you say that its because of other posts I have written. Please let me know what posts I have written that are so called trolling, as I have not posted troll posts nor have I engaged in system wars.

I feel like this is where you have to draw the line. How do you know it would have thermal issues? Maybe they have figured out a way to run it at high frequencies and keep it cool.