Jooxed
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Nintendo Switch is dumb.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
So bRacing got a perm ban for attacking me yesterday in the COVID thread and now he's making burner Twitter accounts to come at me there. He's psychotic.
Reporting as I see them, but Twitter support won't do anything of course.
How does he even know your twitter
ManaByte
Gold Member
Not hard to find it.
-Arcadia-
Banned
Manabyte is famous, basically. Former IGN writer/current film coverage and leaks.
Richard Packer
Member
When someone says something outright racist the community calls them out almost instantly. This place gets a bad rap due to a few people. The majority of us are chill. We just want to crack knock knock jokes and flirt with Arcadia.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Oh I know. I get that. Most folks are chill. I like it here except in politics. It gives me anxiety majority of the time. LOL! And that's only because of a few who make this forum look bad.
But not everything racist is outright racist. TheGreatYosh said racist things all the time, but because it wasn't as outright as it was when he was banned (talking about South African Apartheid was great and spouting white supremacist talking points about SA), he was never called out and slipped on by. I called out a couple of other things he said and was either ignored or excuses on his behalf were made.
He wasn't the only one who got by when it wasn't totally obvious to everyone.
But I digress. I sat by and ignored his racist posts because I knew he'd get too comfortable and say something a bit too much for the board. They all slip up some way, somehow.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
True story:
I had a dream last night that I was banned from GAF for posting extremely hateful and extremely racist content. The ban wasn't the troubling part, but the fact that I posted such extreme shit, like super extreme shit.
I had a dream last night that I was banned from GAF for posting extremely hateful and extremely racist content. The ban wasn't the troubling part, but the fact that I posted such extreme shit, like super extreme shit.
V4skunk
Banned
How extreme? Like there are only 2 gender and c02 is plant food extreme?
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Like, NASA is racist because white space-suits kind of extreme.
Nahh, it was extreme. I sickened myself a little bit
V4skunk
Banned
Milk is racist and needs to be genetically modified to be rainbow colour.
haxan7
Banned
it's your subconscious sending you a message imo. You questioned 2 bans in a row for people who said stuff that even I'd admit would be too sketchy to post (DoctaThompson and Riastrad)
Dargor
Member
It is known. If you drink white milk you immediately adhere to the lactofascist alt down.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Docta I think (hope) was a joke taken out of context. Ria I didn't look in to his past history. I'll question sketchy bans to see where the line is drawn. Nobody wants to see gaf repeat what happened 4 years ago.
As for the subconscious message? It was probably a warning that I'm being fucked with. I know I post some stupid shit and just shit in general but in real life I don't see skin colour because I don't judge people by their looks. So for me to even think twice about skin colour, is a very strange thing.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Happened to me on Reee in real life, while high on Tacrolimus. Still scared about what I wrote. But it was extreme situation, lot of body sensations which... I don't know.
bronk
Banned
haxan7
Banned
Yep, and ideally you want to post a long-winded explanation why it was unfair and flirt with getting perm'd so we can talk you down from the ledge and/or watch you crash and burn.
StormCell
Member
So I got a warning for writing something I thought was mostly positive and honest about the PS5 design... Aaaaand I bet everyone knows the rest of this story. The warning just leaves me wondering some things that I'm sure most people wonder about. Namely, who? Did my post really get reviewed by the team and it was decided I needed a warning?? Do you look at the poster making the post before deciding if said poster is being a prick? I don't think my post offended anyone. Maybe I just don't see the way I come across on here, is that it?
And there is a good-natured reason why I choose to bring it up in here, because I can just accept the warning and just not go there again in PS5 threads now that I'm fully aware that we just don't say that.
And there is a good-natured reason why I choose to bring it up in here, because I can just accept the warning and just not go there again in PS5 threads now that I'm fully aware that we just don't say that.
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cormack12
Gold Member
What did you say? Most people who post in here always are vague then when the mods post out the actual thread its pretty clear. What did the warning say?
Ornlu
Banned
StormCell
Member
Maybe people are vague because they don't want to make the same mistake twice.
You can see my post text that got deleted here. The mod team recommended that I take a look at the ban page regarding "9.2TF 'bait'".
So I think I'm asking some fair questions and not with the purpose of being combative. I haven't followed the next-gen threads enough to know if this is really necessary. I know there are some really obnoxious trolls, but I don't believe I'm one of them.
Jooxed
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StormCell
Member
Oh I know what I said concerning the warning. I didn't think it was that bad in those discussions, and I forget that Sony has stated 10.28 TF. I think I will just avoid those threads and go on having my reasonable expectations.
ZywyPL
Banned
So which post(s) is "warring" that I got removed from the thread?
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Thanks in advance.
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
Paraphrased; Volumetrics are often one of the first sacrifices in games, by nature of being hazy naturally, they can be cut to 1/2 or even 1/4th quality in most of the 8th gen. Godfall's volumetrics are closer to current CGI. Further, uses high quality GI everywhere, dynamic shadows everywhere...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I quit watching it. Thats about how well it held me attention. I'm an extreme Assassin's Creed fan, and bought every game (except rogue because I went to PS4 by then), and AC Odyssey is one of my best games of all time. That gameplay nearly had me puke.:sick:
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I'm interested to hear what games people feel PlayStation is missing? Or if PlayStation should have an exclusive version / take on a multiplatform game... They're missing ambitious multiplayer exclusives imo. I LOVE the fact that MS has Rare, a 200+ person studio, making exclusively...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I'm interested to hear what games people feel PlayStation is missing? Or if PlayStation should have an exclusive version / take on a multiplatform game... They're missing ambitious multiplayer exclusives imo. I LOVE the fact that MS has Rare, a 200+ person studio, making exclusively...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
From what I understood, any purchaser is acquiring the studios - assets and personnel who wish to keep their employment there - not the IPs. So if I were Sony I wouldn't respond to that - that model doesn't work. EDIT: Actually Sony would be better off trying to purchase/license the IPs from...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
You're putting all MP players in the same bag. You don't play MP yourself, am I right? There are many people out there who player Warhawk, Killzone, MAG, Resistance or Socom and would like to have the same kind of experience again. An experience that COD or Fortnite won't provide. And I'd also...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
You're putting all MP players in the same bag. You don't play MP yourself, am I right? There are many people out there who player Warhawk, Killzone, MAG, Resistance or Socom and would like to have the same kind of experience again. An experience that COD or Fortnite won't provide. And I'd also...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I really need an OLED for this bad boi don’t I? Won't hurt
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I really need an OLED for this bad boi don’t I? Won't hurt
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I really need an OLED for this bad boi don’t I? Won't hurt
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
Actually knowing with reasonable certainty you'll get a system at launch. Just not a common practice in the US for online stores to sell merchandise before they have an agreement with a supplier I guess; not that all pre-orders are always fulfilled on time, because shit happens, but the idea...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
Actually knowing with reasonable certainty you'll get a system at launch. Just not a common practice in the US for online stores to sell merchandise before they have an agreement with a supplier I guess; not that all pre-orders are always fulfilled on time, because shit happens, but the idea...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
Actually knowing with reasonable certainty you'll get a system at launch. Just not a common practice in the US for online stores to sell merchandise before they have an agreement with a supplier I guess; not that all pre-orders are always fulfilled on time, because shit happens, but the idea...
Thanks in advance.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Without going through all your posts I understood it that the threads for each console were slightly more like havens for the fanboys of that console and the next-gen thread was there for the cross-chatter, so something that would be fine in next gen is less fine in the haven thread... sorta like when a game has an official thread the discussion surrounding it is more cordial than in other threads relative to x game. That's all without me actually looking through all those posts you linked, though, so take it with a grain of salt lol. I'm just bored on a saturday morning.
nush
Gold Member
So which post(s) is "warring" that I got removed from the thread?
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
Paraphrased; Volumetrics are often one of the first sacrifices in games, by nature of being hazy naturally, they can be cut to 1/2 or even 1/4th quality in most of the 8th gen. Godfall's volumetrics are closer to current CGI. Further, uses high quality GI everywhere, dynamic shadows everywhere...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I quit watching it. Thats about how well it held me attention. I'm an extreme Assassin's Creed fan, and bought every game (except rogue because I went to PS4 by then), and AC Odyssey is one of my best games of all time. That gameplay nearly had me puke.:sick:
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I'm interested to hear what games people feel PlayStation is missing? Or if PlayStation should have an exclusive version / take on a multiplatform game... They're missing ambitious multiplayer exclusives imo. I LOVE the fact that MS has Rare, a 200+ person studio, making exclusively...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I'm interested to hear what games people feel PlayStation is missing? Or if PlayStation should have an exclusive version / take on a multiplatform game... They're missing ambitious multiplayer exclusives imo. I LOVE the fact that MS has Rare, a 200+ person studio, making exclusively...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
From what I understood, any purchaser is acquiring the studios - assets and personnel who wish to keep their employment there - not the IPs. So if I were Sony I wouldn't respond to that - that model doesn't work. EDIT: Actually Sony would be better off trying to purchase/license the IPs from...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
You're putting all MP players in the same bag. You don't play MP yourself, am I right? There are many people out there who player Warhawk, Killzone, MAG, Resistance or Socom and would like to have the same kind of experience again. An experience that COD or Fortnite won't provide. And I'd also...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
You're putting all MP players in the same bag. You don't play MP yourself, am I right? There are many people out there who player Warhawk, Killzone, MAG, Resistance or Socom and would like to have the same kind of experience again. An experience that COD or Fortnite won't provide. And I'd also...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I really need an OLED for this bad boi don’t I? Won't hurt
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I really need an OLED for this bad boi don’t I? Won't hurt
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
I really need an OLED for this bad boi don’t I? Won't hurt
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
Actually knowing with reasonable certainty you'll get a system at launch. Just not a common practice in the US for online stores to sell merchandise before they have an agreement with a supplier I guess; not that all pre-orders are always fulfilled on time, because shit happens, but the idea...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
Actually knowing with reasonable certainty you'll get a system at launch. Just not a common practice in the US for online stores to sell merchandise before they have an agreement with a supplier I guess; not that all pre-orders are always fulfilled on time, because shit happens, but the idea...
PlayStation 5 [OT] Taking Over The World One SSD At A Time
Actually knowing with reasonable certainty you'll get a system at launch. Just not a common practice in the US for online stores to sell merchandise before they have an agreement with a supplier I guess; not that all pre-orders are always fulfilled on time, because shit happens, but the idea...
Thanks in advance.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Can we ban people who call Phil Spencer, Phil? Purely for the Cringe of it?
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Why ?
If you're not an Xbox fan; it's cringe as fuck
If you are an Xbox fan; it's disrespectful
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
If you're not an Xbox fan; it's based
If you are an Xbox fan; it's even more based
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Let's take this out of this thread. It isn't fair on the mods. Even though that made me laugh (in a good way)
Kazza
Member
Ok, so I am back after having copped one of those infamous "9TF baiting" insta-bans that have been making the rounds recently.
I actually created the thread in question, as well as the (unbeknown to me at the time) highly triggering post which earned me the ban. Here is the offensive text in question:
What kind of deranged, paranoid, headbanging console warrior would you have to be to see that perfectly boring and innocuous statement of opinion and think "Son of bitch, trying to drag down the PS5 again. REPORT!" ?. Whoever reported it also must have terrible reading comprehension, because it's obviously a broadly pro-PS5 statement (i.e. "the PS5 is so much more powerful than the Lockhart, that Microsoft really need to make it very cheap, otherwise people may as well just buy a digital PS5 instead"). If I had known that I could get away with saying that the PS5 was 10TF I would have, as that would have only helped my argument!
You would think that the mods would be warning and banning any fanboys pathetic enough to be triggered by such stupid things, but instead they encourage it by banning people who quote the "wrong" number of teraflops. This is a ban message for someone else, but similar to the one I got:
"benchmarking and tech examples"? Really? For a moderation policy that has been so light-touch and fair up until now, this just sticks out as so odd. Of all the console warring that has been raging for the past year, of all the hot takes, memes and insults that have been thrown out there, why have the mods chosen this particular, very very specific, issue to make a stand? Why now? It's so strange!
Let me make a little confession. The 9TF PS5 number wasn't the only teraflop number I quoted in my post - I also said that the Series S would be 4TF. Do I have "benchmarking or tech examples" to back up that figure? No. If Microsoft officially announce that the system actually has 4.7TF and not 4 (which would be a bigger difference percentage-wise than the 9TF and the preferred 10.whatever figure favoured by PS5 fanboys), will I, or someone else, sometimes still write 4TF, due to either ignorance of the latest news or just for brevity's sake? Probably. Should people be insta-banned for that? Absolutely not.
I personally don't care what the PS5 TF figure is. I'll gladly quote it as 10TF if it saves me getting a ban and keeps the console warriors' blood-pressure down (it's getting to double figures that matters right? I don't have to remember the exact decimal points, do I?). Whatever psychodrama has been going on in the Next Gen thread, I don't see why the rest of us should be affected. That thread now has over 123k replies. Of those, I think I wrote around a grand total of 3 of those, and a long time ago at that, which shows how much I care about the topic. Most of us don't have the time to keep up with every single twist and turn of the latest console wars, and shouldn't be punished for unwittingly walking into the invisible trip-wires that the console warriors have set up in their wake. There even seems to be a fair amount of ban baiting going on now, which I never thought I would see on GAF.
Rant over.
I actually created the thread in question, as well as the (unbeknown to me at the time) highly triggering post which earned me the ban. Here is the offensive text in question:
What kind of deranged, paranoid, headbanging console warrior would you have to be to see that perfectly boring and innocuous statement of opinion and think "Son of bitch, trying to drag down the PS5 again. REPORT!" ?. Whoever reported it also must have terrible reading comprehension, because it's obviously a broadly pro-PS5 statement (i.e. "the PS5 is so much more powerful than the Lockhart, that Microsoft really need to make it very cheap, otherwise people may as well just buy a digital PS5 instead"). If I had known that I could get away with saying that the PS5 was 10TF I would have, as that would have only helped my argument!
You would think that the mods would be warning and banning any fanboys pathetic enough to be triggered by such stupid things, but instead they encourage it by banning people who quote the "wrong" number of teraflops. This is a ban message for someone else, but similar to the one I got:
"benchmarking and tech examples"? Really? For a moderation policy that has been so light-touch and fair up until now, this just sticks out as so odd. Of all the console warring that has been raging for the past year, of all the hot takes, memes and insults that have been thrown out there, why have the mods chosen this particular, very very specific, issue to make a stand? Why now? It's so strange!
Let me make a little confession. The 9TF PS5 number wasn't the only teraflop number I quoted in my post - I also said that the Series S would be 4TF. Do I have "benchmarking or tech examples" to back up that figure? No. If Microsoft officially announce that the system actually has 4.7TF and not 4 (which would be a bigger difference percentage-wise than the 9TF and the preferred 10.whatever figure favoured by PS5 fanboys), will I, or someone else, sometimes still write 4TF, due to either ignorance of the latest news or just for brevity's sake? Probably. Should people be insta-banned for that? Absolutely not.
I personally don't care what the PS5 TF figure is. I'll gladly quote it as 10TF if it saves me getting a ban and keeps the console warriors' blood-pressure down (it's getting to double figures that matters right? I don't have to remember the exact decimal points, do I?). Whatever psychodrama has been going on in the Next Gen thread, I don't see why the rest of us should be affected. That thread now has over 123k replies. Of those, I think I wrote around a grand total of 3 of those, and a long time ago at that, which shows how much I care about the topic. Most of us don't have the time to keep up with every single twist and turn of the latest console wars, and shouldn't be punished for unwittingly walking into the invisible trip-wires that the console warriors have set up in their wake. There even seems to be a fair amount of ban baiting going on now, which I never thought I would see on GAF.
Rant over.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Dude, you can't just say PS5 is a 9TF machine without anything to back it up, that your ban was short is PROBABLY because of your innocence on not realizing it was taboo but you're continuing to argue it probably doesn't help things. Fact is people use that number to troll the system when there's no real evidence the system ever runs at 9TFlops... literally ever. Yeah, you threw out a number for Xbox as well but lies about how many TFlops the new Xbox systems are capable of aren't exactly a big problem on NeoGAF, whereas people insisting on the PS5 being a 9Tflop machine absolutely ruins discussions.
nush
Gold Member
Fortunately the mods here understand and can see ban baiting and will mod it.
Kazza
Member
A two week insta-ban isn't particularly short. 2 days is short, 2 weeks is not, especially if the mod was unsure as to whether anything ban-worthy has even actually been written. If someone were to say something like "LOL, the PS5 is only 9TF, that barely counts as a next-gen system, LOL" then I understand, that's obvious low-effort console warring and deserves a warning or a ban. But since when have console fanboys been so subtle about their warring ways? They're usually pretty straightforward, in my experience! What kind of 4D-style console warring chess are people playing in the warring threads these days?
It kind of reminds me when someone posts a link to an Angry Joe, Colin Moriarty or {insert cancelled person here} on ResetEra. I mean, sure, they are probably some people who are deliberately goading the ridiculous moderators over there, but I'm guessing that most people who do that just innocently think "Hey look I just found this interesting video game-related video/podcast, why not share it on ResetEra, it is a video game forum after all." and then in come the paranoid insinuations from other users and then, BAM, down comes the ban hammer, leaving the poor user flabbergasted.
Ok, I know, apologies to the mods for mentioning them and Era in the same breath, that's definitely false equivalence:
That's what I hate about this whole 9TF ban thing, it's such a glaring exception to the rest of the (otherwise great) moderation policy.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
It's not the only time something became prevalent enough they made an exception, in the case of TLOU II spoilers anything spoiled outside the spoiler thread meant a PERMANENT BAN besides special cases where people could argue their innocence in doing it. The fact is some things become so prevalent on the forum they need to be curb stomped into oblivion to make things better on here, it wouldn't be unlike banning anyone who constantly insists the Earth is flat, some arguments aren't worth anyone's time.
Kazza
Member
TLOU2 situation seems very different to me, in that it is obvious to anyone that giving open spoilers for unreleased games/movies/books ect is a massive dick move (especially in places dedicated to precisely those works). While I think a perma-ban is a little OTT, that's not some invisible trip wire someone could accidentally stumble into. With this next gen stuff on the other hand, there is so much information, all of which seems to be being contested on an almost daily basis (the latest being "is the PS5 RDNA1 or RDNA2" - I'm going to try and stay as far away from that issue as I possibly can!). Are people going to get banned in the future for getting that answer wrong?
This next-gen stuff is pretty confusing. I'd say that 90%+ of my posts are about retro, PC and third party games anyway, so hopefully my chances of getting another ban are low, but I used to have a really relaxed feeling about these forums, but now things seem a little more tense.
ZywyPL
Banned
But at the very same time it's completely OK if not desirable to spam stuff like:
-brute force,
-FUD,
-Discord,
-more balanced,
-more efficient,
-true next-gen,
-held back,
-no loading,
-better quality,
-more variety.
etc.
without anything backing it up. Basically everything that's positive about PS5 = unquestionable, undeniable truth, even if it comes from a random homeless man from a street who can even afford food, while everything positive about XSX/questioning (let alone discrediting) PS5, from engineers with teens-tens years of experience or people who are directly involved in the business - BAN THIS MOTHERFUCKER!!! SSD! SSD!... People laugh about Reset Era and its hivemind but this place starts to feel no different, you're either with the SSD crowd or against them. The atmosphere got really toxic after March 18th when 13TF dream died, and the double standards don't help with calming the situation down, to say the least.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
From what I can tell it is pretty relaxed besides stuff like the Tflops issue. The problem with the Tflops issue is the only source for the 9Tflops was a github leak and no one else has corroborated it.
I don't know what brute force refers to, that awful OG XBOX game? FUD applies to all console warring, it just means fear, uncertainy, doubt. Discord is an app, yes. More balanced and more efficient are opinions, not lies about numbers. Same for true next-gen. Held back has more support than the Tflop discussion because we saw games get held back last gen like Watch_Dogs for "parity" and stuff like that. It's a valid concern I'd argue, just like it's VALID to be concerned about the Tflop disparity between Series X and PS5, just not if you devalue the PS5's weaker position beyond what we know it to be.
Honestly if you think the only negative aspect of PS5 you can say is one with zero backing or verification then I guess it's a pretty swell system from what we know? Why do the positive qualities of XSX need to always be at the detriment to PS5? A Sony Pony recently made a thread complaining he was banned when xbots don't, it was a long drama-filled thread. But you come here and you here that it's the opposite. Isn't it weird that both sides feel more persecuted than the other? The truth is by nearly all metrics XSX is more powerful but some of us have strong hopes the SSD is next gen's secret sauce and it's one of the only places PS5 has an edge on Series X. It could end up very similar to the PS3, where multiplats tended to be worse on PS3 but their exclusives were jaw-dropping because first party devs were taking more advantage of the different architecture of the PS3. But that was a generation full of DF verdicts in favor of 360 and they rode high, so this generation may be the same, but that's fine by me, I'm a PC gamer primarily and I use the Gamepass on my PC, I like Sony for their exclusive franchises and I partially believe the quality control involved in those franchises has at least some foundation in their exclusivity. Not that there aren't multi-plat games just as AAA and prestigious like RDR 2, mind you.
I guess TL;DR is there anything anyone is claiming about the Series X that flies in the face of everything the official word tells us? Otherwise I don't see it as an equivalent scenario.
ZywyPL
Banned
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Explosive Zombie
The problem is, many threads are getting closed, because there are same usual suspect coming it with their SSD I/O bullshit and starting unnecessary wars, like there was a thread about VRS and it got shut down while was all about XBX and PC it had completely nothing to do with PS5,so we cannot dig deeper into the tech because of SSD clowns, over half of the XB VA thread is actually about PS5 and its SSD, agan, why? In Ampere threads again, same people, same PS5 SSD bullshit, and so on and so on, you cannot have any discussion on this forum anymore about any technology, feature, software hardware without the same SSD retards rushing in desperately trying to convince themselves and the other about how supposedly PS5 thanks to its SSD is superior and light years ahead of everything else that will be released in this century. Apparently those hundreds SSD threads weren't enough. This is really getting tired and exhausting, and instead of removing/banning the persons who derail all the threads with their SSD agenda mods close entire threads instead, or even ban people who wanted to have discussion about specific topic, so the SSD circus is free to go and derail/close another thread, and another, and another... And no, reporting those people doesn't work, you get response like "nah it's OK, it's not that bad", and before you notice, the thread gets closed...
The problem is, many threads are getting closed, because there are same usual suspect coming it with their SSD I/O bullshit and starting unnecessary wars, like there was a thread about VRS and it got shut down while was all about XBX and PC it had completely nothing to do with PS5,so we cannot dig deeper into the tech because of SSD clowns, over half of the XB VA thread is actually about PS5 and its SSD, agan, why? In Ampere threads again, same people, same PS5 SSD bullshit, and so on and so on, you cannot have any discussion on this forum anymore about any technology, feature, software hardware without the same SSD retards rushing in desperately trying to convince themselves and the other about how supposedly PS5 thanks to its SSD is superior and light years ahead of everything else that will be released in this century. Apparently those hundreds SSD threads weren't enough. This is really getting tired and exhausting, and instead of removing/banning the persons who derail all the threads with their SSD agenda mods close entire threads instead, or even ban people who wanted to have discussion about specific topic, so the SSD circus is free to go and derail/close another thread, and another, and another... And no, reporting those people doesn't work, you get response like "nah it's OK, it's not that bad", and before you notice, the thread gets closed...
nush
Gold Member
That's what I hate about this whole 9TF ban thing, it's such a glaring exception to the rest of the (otherwise great) moderation policy.
Is that your actual ban message?
Kazza
Member
Oh no, I've never had an account there, that was just a random picture I grabbed from online. I believe the whole "false equivalency" ban is fairly common though.
Kazza
Member
I don't know enough to comment on the rest, but as someone who was always planning to buy a PC next gen, but who had their interest somewhat piqued by the rumours of a ridiculously low priced Series S (and maybe an equally good value digital-only PS5), I feel a little more able to comment on the bolded stuff. There has definitely been talk (or FUD, as some would describe it) about the Series S holding the gen back, and holding the Series X back in particular. I've even seen a few laugh about the fact that the nominal number of teraflops of the Series S will be less than the current One X, ignoring the fact (even I know this!) that a current gen TF can't be compared to a next gen TF. While I think there are plenty of people even less clued in to this stuff than me who might simply look at the number and comment without thinking too much, if people are going to be banned for the PS5 9TF thing, then surely the "Series S being weaker than the One X" thing is ban worthy too, no?
I think it's perfectly legitimate to be concerned about a 4TF Series S holding back the next gen with a lower baseline, but if someone official from Microsoft states that it scales perfectly with the Series X to produce a 1080p output, but with no other compromises, well then it seems only consistent that any suggestion to the contrary will get a 2 week ban also. After all, isn't the PS5 10TF variable/boost mode thing primarily reliant on the word of Mark Cerny? Shouldn't the MS tech staff get equal status (especially if verified by the likes of Digital Foundry)?
That's the problem with mods getting involved in regulating the tiny minutia of this whole next gen drama. Once they take a stand on one issue, it's really easy to quickly produce a list of equally ban-worthy stuff. At that point the game stops being about debating the other people on the forum (however toxic that may sometimes get), and instead becomes about seeing who can get who banned for what.
GAF is better as a trashfire of free thinkers. The mods should put down the hose and let the fire of freedom burn
Explosive Zombie
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I don't know enough to comment on the rest, but as someone who was always planning to buy a PC next gen, but who had their interest somewhat piqued by the rumours of a ridiculously low priced Series S (and maybe an equally good value digital-only PS5), I feel a little more able to comment on the bolded stuff. There has definitely been talk (or FUD, as some would describe it) about the Series S holding the gen back, and holding the Series X back in particular. I've even seen a few laugh about the fact that the nominal number of teraflops of the Series S will be less than the current One X, ignoring the fact (even I know this!) that a current gen TF can't be compared to a next gen TF. While I think there are plenty of people even less clued in to this stuff than me who might simply look at the number and comment without thinking too much, if people are going to be banned for the PS5 9TF thing, then surely the "Series S being weaker than the One X" thing is ban worthy too, no?
I think it's perfectly legitimate to be concerned about a 4TF Series S holding back the next gen with a lower baseline, but if someone official from Microsoft states that it scales perfectly with the Series X to produce a 1080p output, but with no other compromises, well then it seems only consistent that any suggestion to the contrary will get a 2 week ban also. After all, isn't the PS5 10TF variable/boost mode thing primarily reliant on the word of Mark Cerny? Shouldn't the MS tech staff get equal status (especially if verified by the likes of Digital Foundry)?
That's the problem with mods getting involved in regulating the tiny minutia of this whole next gen drama. Once they take a stand on one issue, it's really easy to quickly produce a list of equally ban-worthy stuff. At that point the game stops being about debating the other people on the forum (however toxic that may sometimes get), and instead becomes about seeing who can get who banned for what.
GAF is better as a trashfire of free thinkers. The mods should put down the hose and let the fire of freedom burn
I'd still argue it's how pervasive the false claim is and how much it derails a discussion. Without seeing everything the mods see it must have been ruining these discussions far more to constantly deal with 9TF, for instance what you said about Series S not being less TF than One X is something I've seen people say when others assume it, and then the argument dies. However, we've had people BANNED for claiming PS5 is a 9TF system and them come to this thread to argue they are RIGHT about that number. That's how adamant people are about that argument, I don't personally see people as adamant about the argument you cited, they usually shut up and are probably embarrassed when it's explained the difference. That said, the argument that we ban nothing at all is one I'm fine with, I'm actually a free speech absolutist but I try to understand, follow and even help others understand the rules of places like NeoGAF because I'm not a free speech martyr.
tryDEATH
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The held back claim and not maximizing Series X capabilities are as equally annoying as the "9.2TF" claim and should be warning/ban worthy if the term "9.2TF" is, because both of those claims have been categorically denied by both companies.
However, the term "9TF" console can be more nuanced, because based on Cerny's own presentation he claimed that the performance could drop a couple of %(percent). So mathematically for the PS5 to drop into the 9TF region it needs a 2.724% performance drop which would fall under Cerny's own description of "couple %(percent)" and it would then turn into a 9.99TF console. But that is a whole different issue that Mods should clear up as it is different then the obviously baited "9.2TF" troll figure.
I think it would only be just for there to be more push back from the Mods on the unfounded claims that Sony fans are allowed to continue to spread. If Mods are going to offer Sony the privilege of stopping false narratives from spreading, that same privilege should also be extended to Xbox, because right now there is none.
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