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There's an episode of 24 going on right now.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The held back claim and not maximizing Series X capabilities are as equally annoying as the "9.2TF" claim and should be warning/ban worthy if the term "9.2TF" is, because both of those claims have been categorically denied by both companies.

However, the term "9TF" console can be more nuanced, because based on Cerny's own presentation he claimed that the performance could drop a couple of %(percent). So mathematically for the PS5 to drop into the 9TF region it needs a 2.724% performance drop which would fall under Cerny's own description of "couple %(percent)" and it would then turn into a 9.99TF console. But that is a whole different issue that Mods should clear up as it is different then the obviously baited "9.2TF" troll figure.

I think it would only be just for there to be more push back from the Mods on the unfounded claims that Sony fans are allowed to continue to spread. If Mods are going to offer Sony the privilege of stopping false narratives from spreading, that same privilege should also be extended to Xbox, because right now there is none.

Saying "it won't hold things back" is PR speak, saying "this is console has x TFlops" is a statement of factual architecture.

 

[cormack12]

The held back claim and not maximizing Series X capabilities are as equally annoying as the "9.2TF" claim and should be warning/ban worthy if the term "9.2TF" is, because both of those claims have been categorically denied by both companies.

However, the term "9TF" console can be more nuanced, because based on Cerny's own presentation he claimed that the performance could drop a couple of %(percent). So mathematically for the PS5 to drop into the 9TF region it needs a 2.724% performance drop which would fall under Cerny's own description of "couple %(percent)" and it would then turn into a 9.99TF console. But that is a whole different issue that Mods should clear up as it is different then the obviously baited "9.2TF" troll figure.

I think there are posts in this thread that discuss it between users that were banned. I can't be arsed finding them though. I think it's because it's so specific though and based on an old leak. There was some things in it that were right so it's a case of believe the leak or believe the official Sony architect. Seems easy enough to be honest.

Like I've never seen anyone banned for saying the XsX is gonna stomp on the PS5 with its TF advantage, I've seen pages and pages of arguments after it about the SSD etc. but when it's general and true it seems OK. Possibly because specific numbers need that source. Stickign to official specs seems the fairest way to treat both consoles and the issue. I liken to it to someone saying XsX will always run at max clock and power even on dashboard so the components will wear out quicker. Honestly, I'm dreading the DF threads fom December onwards. Based on the Xbox One threads, Sony people are going to have to take their lumps. A lot of the freedom is around hypotheticals or theories (like Lockhart even existing). I posted in a thread about India and xCloud, the Lockhart mght not even be targeted at our countries but those emerging markets. Did the PS4 hold back the Pro version of TLOU II and everything else? Everything can be scaled, I even posted a witcher 3 switch thread and how they did it but noone was interested, they'd sooner war - look at the Switch ARM CPU compared to the Jaguar and they still ported it downwards.

I've tried to be more vocal in midle of the road threads to make it fairer but we all need to do it. We need to tell those people to drop the shit ourselves because yeah I don't go in next gen at all these days. I pop into some threads for a few pages before they get ruined by the same people too.

 

[Bernkastel]

There needs to some rule against people antagonizing some users with fake conspiracy theories in the Next Gen speculation and other related threads.

 

[tryDEATH]

Saying "it won't hold things back" is PR speak, saying "this is console has x TFlops" is a statement of factual architecture.

A statement of factual architecture would then also fall into the "9TF" argument I make based on Cerny's own statements of performance being able to drop a couple of percent, which would be enough to drop it under 10TF. So in a sense it also cloaks and dagger scenario where we don't know the definitive bottom of the consoles performance something Sony haven't divulge yet and we won't know until they release just like we won't know if games are being help back by last generation, its is only assumptions.

I also don't mind people getting banned for baiting with the "9.2TF" trolling, but you then also got to make it fair and stop people spreading misinformation on it holding back with out any definitive proof.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I think there are posts in this thread that discuss it between users that were banned. I can't be arsed finding them though. I think it's because it's so specific though and based on an old leak. There was some things in it that were right so it's a case of believe the leak or believe the official Sony architect. Seems easy enough to be honest.

Like I've never seen anyone banned for saying the XsX is gonna stomp on the PS5 with its TF advantage, I've seen pages and pages of arguments after it about the SSD etc. but when it's general and true it seems OK. Possibly because specific numbers need that source. Stickign to official specs seems the fairest way to treat both consoles and the issue. I liken to it to someone saying XsX will always run at max clock and power even on dashboard so the components will wear out quicker. Honestly, I'm dreading the DF threads fom December onwards. Based on the Xbox One threads, Sony people are going to have to take their lumps. A lot of the freedom is around hypotheticals or theories (like Lockhart even existing). I posted in a thread about India and xCloud, the Lockhart mght not even be targeted at our countries but those emerging markets. Did the PS4 hold back the Pro version of TLOU II and everything else? Everything can be scaled, I even posted a witcher 3 switch thread and how they did it but noone was interested, they'd sooner war - look at the Switch ARM CPU compared to the Jaguar and they still ported it downwards.

I've tried to be more vocal in midle of the road threads to make it fairer but we all need to do it. We need to tell those people to drop the shit ourselves because yeah I don't go in next gen at all these days. I pop into some threads for a few pages before they get ruined by the same people too.

I think the Switch handling games like Witcher 3 is certainly an argument for downscaling possibilities but you have to keep in mind many multi-plat Switch ports take longer to release than on other platforms, in other words it's not as simply as sliding a few settings lower, real effort goes into making these ports work on the Switch and the question is will it be the same with Lockhart and will Microsoft insist games are available on both simultaneously unlike the Switch which simply gets games late? I know in the past I'd heard about game delays due to their cross-gen nature making them hard to make work on prior platforms and they weren't allowed to stagger the release between platforms. Held back is just a statement of our knowledge of how these things work based on prior generations and such, it might not even mean the game isn't everything it can be on Series X but it could mean the game suffers delays or it could mean Lockhart gets games late. There's lots of ifs involved with it and that's why I think people are allowed to speculate on the possibility of it holding things back, because it's so theoretical.



To the post just posted above this, I would say that even at a 5% drop you're looking at a Tflop figure that rounds UP to 10 and would be considered 10. So when he says a couple percent it's a stretch to argue it actually goes low enough to be rounded to a 9TF console for the duration of that time. A couple percent IS nebulous and unspecific, though, it is true but if you were to err on the side of caution you'd have to assume it never goes so low you'd be able to round it to 9.

 

[tryDEATH]

I think there are posts in this thread that discuss it between users that were banned. I can't be arsed finding them though. I think it's because it's so specific though and based on an old leak. There was some things in it that were right so it's a case of believe the leak or believe the official Sony architect. Seems easy enough to be honest.

Like I've never seen anyone banned for saying the XsX is gonna stomp on the PS5 with its TF advantage, I've seen pages and pages of arguments after it about the SSD etc. but when it's general and true it seems OK. Possibly because specific numbers need that source. Stickign to official specs seems the fairest way to treat both consoles and the issue. I liken to it to someone saying XsX will always run at max clock and power even on dashboard so the components will wear out quicker. Honestly, I'm dreading the DF threads fom December onwards. Based on the Xbox One threads, Sony people are going to have to take their lumps. A lot of the freedom is around hypotheticals or theories (like Lockhart even existing). I posted in a thread about India and xCloud, the Lockhart mght not even be targeted at our countries but those emerging markets. Did the PS4 hold back the Pro version of TLOU II and everything else? Everything can be scaled, I even posted a witcher 3 switch thread and how they did it but noone was interested, they'd sooner war - look at the Switch ARM CPU compared to the Jaguar and they still ported it downwards.

I've tried to be more vocal in midle of the road threads to make it fairer but we all need to do it. We need to tell those people to drop the shit ourselves because yeah I don't go in next gen at all these days. I pop into some threads for a few pages before they get ruined by the same people too.

I agree, going of official source seems the most logical and fair approch, but at that point then we either respect both of them and their claims or neither of them. Calling them out when people disprove their claims is fair game, but now just allowing one to run rampant with misinformation because they believe its all just PR speak without definitive proof just doesn't seem just.

As for the Next Gen thread I literally put it on ignore the other day, it is by far the worse thread on the forum, for every good informative post, you have about 3 pages of just warrioring and I really don't feel like wasting my time shifting through it to find something informative.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

I don’t even own or want to buy a console but I’m wary of the console warring.

It seems to me that one side is favored over the other. I just want to laugh at both of them!

 

[pawel86ck]

Dude, you can't just say PS5 is a 9TF machine without anything to back it up, that your ban was short is PROBABLY because of your innocence on not realizing it was taboo but you're continuing to argue it probably doesn't help things. Fact is people use that number to troll the system when there's no real evidence the system ever runs at 9TFlops... literally ever. Yeah, you threw out a number for Xbox as well but lies about how many TFlops the new Xbox systems are capable of aren't exactly a big problem on NeoGAF, whereas people insisting on the PS5 being a 9Tflop machine absolutely ruins discussions.

I expect both PS5 and XSX will downclock well below 2.2/1.8 GHz in the dashboard. When it comes to games we dont know how far PS5 will downclock it's GPU, because Cerny dont want to be transparent will people about PS5 specs. We can however guess based on what he said PS5 GPU will downclock far below 2.2GHz.

Cerny has said he expect PS5 GPU to stay at 2.2 GHz or close to it most of the time, and I can see this scenario happening if we are talking about standard game with fixed resolution and locked framerare. What however will happen if game is using unlocked framerate or dynamic resolution? It means GPU will be pushed to it's limits all of the time.

"In the road to PS5" presentation Cerny has said 2 GHz clock (9.2 TF) was too much with their old strategy (fixed clock), so can we really expect PS5 GPU can sustain something close to 2.2 GHz (anything below 2170 MHz will already result in sub 10 TF) when the same GPU apparently has problems sustaining even 2 GHz?

Cerny has contradicted himself in one video, but lucklily to him and PS5 marketing most people cant connect just two dots. There are very few bright people these days, who can think for themselves and connect the dots, but mods here bans them . Banning people who can see truth behind marketing lies? I dont dont understand it and I hope mods here will rethink their stance on 9TF. If people are mad at 9TF and were expecting more from PS5 should be mad at Cerny, because he is lead PS5 architect and it was his decission to use 36CUs GPU instead of something bigger.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

"In the road to PS5" presentation Cerny has said 2 GHz clock (9.2 TF) was too much with their old strategy (fixed clock), so can we really expect PS5 GPU can sustain something close to 2.2 GHz (anything below 2170 MHz will already result in sub 10 TF) when the same GPU apparently has problems sustaining even 2 GHz?

Hey, I see two dots to connect, you're using Cerny telling you about their prior limitations to claim they're... still limited? Even though the whole point of him saying it was to talk about how they overcame them? In order for you to say Cerny is wrong, which is what you seem to be doing, you'd need ample evidence since Cerny is the actual architect. You understand this, right?

 

[tryDEATH]

I think the Switch handling games like Witcher 3 is certainly an argument for downscaling possibilities but you have to keep in mind many multi-plat Switch ports take longer to release than on other platforms, in other words it's not as simply as sliding a few settings lower, real effort goes into making these ports work on the Switch and the question is will it be the same with Lockhart and will Microsoft insist games are available on both simultaneously unlike the Switch which simply gets games late? I know in the past I'd heard about game delays due to their cross-gen nature making them hard to make work on prior platforms and they weren't allowed to stagger the release between platforms. Held back is just a statement of our knowledge of how these things work based on prior generations and such, it might not even mean the game isn't everything it can be on Series X but it could mean the game suffers delays or it could mean Lockhart gets games late. There's lots of ifs involved with it and that's why I think people are allowed to speculate on the possibility of it holding things back, because it's so theoretical.



To the post just posted above this, I would say that even at a 5% drop you're looking at a Tflop figure that rounds UP to 10 and would be considered 10. So when he says a couple percent it's a stretch to argue it actually goes low enough to be rounded to a 9TF console for the duration of that time. A couple percent IS nebulous and unspecific, though, it is true but if you were to err on the side of caution you'd have to assume it never goes so low you'd be able to round it to 9.

They already have addressed that. The Series X dev kit can be switched to multiple SKU's and checked how it performs, so it would be developed simultaneously with only more precise optimization required for the weaker consoles, which is no where near the level of architectural jigsawing that is necessary for the Switch.

The moment you start tackling factual date and numbers, but also rounding you are also manipulating the real results, which is also another thing so many people already do with the Series X. The console actually has 12.15TF but everyone rounds it down to 12TF, where the PS5 is always labeled as a 10.2TF or 10.28TF console. You can say these are just semantics, but they are just one of the many slight biases that people get away with, because they don't seem that big, but end up accumulating and creating a false perception as it ends up impacting Xbox more no matter if its being perceive as a tit-for-tat Xbox always ends up with a more skewed narrative then it really is.

I don't believe the PS ever drops to "9TF", but calling a console 9TF in a context that it is with in 9.00TF and 9.99TF in a broader sense is acceptable as your not specifying how much it is but speaking in number generalities. This again is semantics, but this is how close we have basically gotten, because take a few tenths away from one you might get a warning take it off from the other and nothing happens.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

They already have addressed that. The Series X dev kit can be switched to multiple SKU's and checked how it performs, so it would be developed simultaneously with only more precise optimization required for the weaker consoles, which is no where near the level of architectural jigsawing that is necessary for the Switch.

The moment you start tackling factual date and numbers, but also rounding you are also manipulating the real results, which is also another thing so many people already do with the Series X. The console actually has 12.15TF but everyone rounds it down to 12TF, where the PS5 is always labeled as a 10.2TF or 10.28TF console. You can say these are just semantics, but they are just one of the many slight biases that people get away with, because they don't seem that big, but end up accumulating and creating a false perception as it ends up impacting Xbox more no matter if its being perceive as a tit-for-tat Xbox always ends up with a more skewed narrative then it really is.

I don't believe the PS ever drops to "9TF", but calling a console 9TF in a context that it is with in 9.00TF and 9.99TF in a broader sense is acceptable as your not specifying how much it is but speaking in number generalities. This again is semantics, but this is how close we have basically gotten, because take a few tenths away from one you might get a warning take it off from the other and nothing happens.

That's not how rounding works, however. I would say the reason people specify 10.28 instead of just saying 10 is because of how much distortion there is on the issue. If you call something that's 9.99 Tflops a 9Tflop console then you're being very disingenuous.

 

[SleepDoctor]

There needs to some rule against people antagonizing some users with fake conspiracy theories in the Next Gen speculation and other related threads.

Not only that. But against insults, I've never seen so many people throw insults around and not a thing done about it.

geordiemp is a perfect example calling people stupid when they call him out for lying or being full of shit. Dude was even joking about odium wife, health, and profession.

That spec thread is still a Ps5 ot. Make a positive comment on XSX or question anything Ps5 related and its a dog pile. Most ps fanboys here don't even post anywhere but in that thread.

 

[tryDEATH]

That's not how rounding works, however. I would say the reason people specify 10.28 instead of just saying 10 is because of how much distortion there is on the issue. If you call something that's 9.99 Tflops a 9Tflop console then you're being very disingenuous.

For you it might be disingenuous, but for someone else it might be generalities. Thats like some one saying Xbox games get 8's on metacritic, would that be considering disingenuous even though there is a whole spectrum between 80 and 89 or just a generalization because it fluctuates from title to title similarly to the PS5 with couple of percent of which we don't have a definitive bottom yet.

EDIT. We are literally at this point just arguing about semantics, unfortunately it has come to that.

 

[TLZ]

There needs to some rule against people antagonizing some users with fake conspiracy theories in the Next Gen speculation and other related threads.

Can you explain this?

 

[pawel86ck]

Hey, I see two dots to connect, you're using Cerny telling you about their prior limitations to claim they're... still limited? Even though the whole point of him saying it was to talk about how they overcame them? In order for you to say Cerny is wrong, which is what you seem to be doing, you'd need ample evidence since Cerny is the actual architect. You understand this, right?

They are still using the same GPU, just with different clock strategy. Let me ask you something, if GPU has problems maintaining 2GHz for long period of time how limiting power consumption (smartshift) and using variable clock will fix this problem? If you downclock even a little then you are no longer using fixed clock, and limiting power reduction will not help either. 2 GHz clock (2.2 GHz in fact) only works because they are using variable clock strategy simple as that.

What Cerny has done was a smart decision. I can understand it (MS should do the same), because boost clock will offer more power than fixed clock, and more performance is always better. Developers will know how far PS5 GPU can downclock and they can still optimize for whatever clock target they want. Boost clock will give them better framerate or a little bit higher dynamic resolution.

Cerny is good architect, and I dont criticize his decisions. He had certain price target to hit with PS5, and it's not like you can build console with high end components for something like 500$ (when high end GPU itself on PC cost 2x as much). Cerny is not some magician.

 

[Zghia]

Can you explain this?

Lock her up !

 

[Bernkastel]

Can you explain this?

Lock her up !

I already did a long time ago and yet you still post the same pic once again(this time once again in ban review huh).
I was in the XboxEra discord for 10 days(December 31-January 10) and this is what you are looking for. At that time they let anyone who requested join. And I only stayed that long because Amber Chad said he will give me a BakaBT invite which I never got anyway.
Anyone can use any name and profile pic in discord. That profile pic in question was something I used in GAF after the Digital Foundry/Austin Evans Xbox Series X reveal and that is also when I became active again. That purple color in the name in the XboxEra discord is reserved for admins like EvilBoris. I also dont remember conversing with any of the people in your pic.
I was absent from most of Next Gen Teraflop speculation war because I was busy in real life and only occasionally posted news in xbox threads. This is also why I only have one post in the Next Gen Speculation thread.
Imagine your whole online life dedicated to talking about people you dont like because that is the only form of enjoyment you can derive.

No please explain who sends these screenshots, dont just use that card and run away.

 

[Nikana]

There needs to some rule against people antagonizing some users with fake conspiracy theories in the Next Gen speculation and other related threads.

Ill say it. Next Gen needs to be shut down for a week and reopened without the more relaxed attitude. Its a literal shit show. Some posters are getting really comfortable and are basically using it as a clubhouse top meet up, talk about other threads and then all go over to a different thread together and start bashing it. This is exactly what happened with the Odium/Gavin posts/threads. Geordiemp literally went into the thread, started some shit, went back to Next Gen and got his boys and said go check out this other thread, this guys an idiot, and they all hopped threads and started shit.

Maybe its possible I happened to see an isolated incident, but I have to imagine this has happened more than once. But I have been avoiding Next Gen a lot of times.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

They are still using the same GPU, just with different clock strategy. Let me ask you something, if GPU has problems maintaining 2GHz for long period of time how limiting power consumption (smartshift) and using variable clock will fix this problem? If you downclock even a little then you are no longer using fixed clock, and limiting power reduction will not help either. 2 GHz clock (2.2 GHz in fact) only works because they are using variable clock strategy simple as that.

What Cerny has done was a smart decision. I can understand it (MS should do the same), because boost clock will offer more power than fixed clock, and more performance is always better. Developers will know how far PS5 GPU can downclock and they can still optimize for whatever clock target they want. Boost clock will give them better framerate or a little bit higher dynamic resolution.

Cerny is good architect, and I dont criticize his decisions. He had certain price target to hit with PS5, and it's not like you can build console with high end components for something like 500$ (when high end GPU itself on PC cost 2x as much). Cerny is not some magician.

Are you just going to post conjecture or can you prove the system spends a majority of the time at a speed suitably below 10 TFlops to justify calling it anything but a 10 Tflops system? That's the question, is it just conjecture or do you have proof Cerny lied?

BTW this is exactly what I meant when I said the anti-Xbox arguments aren't equivalent, we are once again in the ban thread being told why it's okay to argue PS5 is a 9Tflop console. I've never seen anyone this adamant in any Xbox thread about the actual false narratives like that Lockhart is less powerful than a One X. Maybe I just missed it, maybe it's in this Next Gen thread people keep talking about? But what I see is people constantly in this thread arguing for this.

 

[nush]

This topic has bcome a barfight where they smash through a wall and keep on fighting.

 

[Jooxed]

This topic has bcome a barfight where they smash through a wall and keep on fighting.

 

[SleepDoctor]

I already did a long time ago and yet you still post the same pic once again(this time once again in ban review huh).
I was in the XboxEra discord for 10 days(December 31-January 10) and this is what you are looking for. At that time they let anyone who requested join. And I only stayed that long because Amber Chad said he will give me a BakaBT invite which I never got anyway.
Anyone can use any name and profile pic in discord. That profile pic in question was something I used in GAF after the Digital Foundry/Austin Evans Xbox Series X reveal and that is also when I became active again. That purple color in the name in the XboxEra discord is reserved for admins like EvilBoris. I also dont remember conversing with any of the people in your pic.
I was absent from most of Next Gen Teraflop speculation war because I was busy in real life and only occasionally posted news in xbox threads. This is also why I only have one post in the Next Gen Speculation thread.
Imagine your whole online life dedicated to talking about people you dont like because that is the only form of enjoyment you can derive.

No please explain who sends these screenshots, dont just use that card and run away.

Obviously they must have a discord or some group chat going on. The way they dog pile and shitpost together gives it away. Two fanboys following me into a non gaming thread to bait me wasn't coincidence.

Its funny tho, with Ps5 engineer dm thing, its automatically "photoshopped" or fake but when it fits their narrative its instantly true every time.

 

[pawel86ck]

Are you just going to post conjecture or can you prove the system spends a majority of the time at a speed suitably below 10 TFlops to justify calling it anything but a 10 Tflops system? That's the question, is it just conjecture or do you have proof Cerny lied?

Cerny has clearly said in his PS5 talk, 2GHz fixed clock was too high and that's why he went with variable clock strategy, so you have a proof, you just choose to ignore it.

You cant expect the same GPU to run constantly around 2.2Ghz, when the same GPU has problems maintaining even 2GHz. Smarthsift and variable clock is not magic that can fix this fundamental problem, however they can allow the same GPU to hit 2.2 GHz for limited period of time (just when needed the most). This strategy will work well if game will run at fixed framerate and resolution, because GPU is not constantly pushed to it's limits anyway. Only games with dynamic resolution and unlocked framerate are the exception.

I have said why I think it's unfair to ban people for 9TF talk, but lets not derail this particular thread any further. If you want to talk more about PS5 variable clock strategy we can talk in next gen thread.

 

[GHG]

The next gen thread is spilling out everywhere...

Nobody gives a shit about how many floppy wanks you've had.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Cerny has clearly said in his PS5 talk, 2GHz fixed clock was too high and that's why he went with variable clock strategy, so you have a proof, you just choose to ignore it.

You cant expect the same GPU to run constantly around 2.2Ghz, when the same GPU has problems maintaining even 2GHz. Smarthsift and variable clock is not magic that can fix this fundamental problem, however they can allow the same GPU to hit 2.2 GHz for limited period of time (just when needed the most). This strategy will work well if game will run at fixed framerate and resolution, because GPU is not constantly pushed to it's limits anyway. Only games with dynamic resolution and unlocked framerate are the exception.

He went with variable clock strat because it overcame the problem of not being able to hit 10.28 Tflops, he has said it can drop a few percentage points below, he has also said it will mostly run at or around the cap. You have no hard evidence on how often the GPU will be at 10.28 or how little of the time, you have no hard evidence of where it drops to and for how long. This is why you can't claim it's a 9TF console, because in order to be able to claim that you need to prove it spends a MAJORITY of the time at 9.4 Tflop or below, 9.5-9.9 would round to 10. The mods have stated it so many times, without hard evidence provided the PS5 GPU spends a MAJORITY of its time at 9.4 or below you are not allowed to argue it is a 9 Tflop machine. The mods have stated over and over if you can PROVE YOUR CLAIM, they will ALLOW YOU TO SAY IT. That's the rub, it's only off limits so long as people are UNABLE TO PROVE IT.

 

[Dnice1]

Ok I don't know where I was supposed to send a response to this since the thread is locked, but I got a warning saying I'll be banned if I don't provide a link for a post I made. I thought the tweet was real because it came from his own Twitter page (tweets and replies section) and I didn't think to put a link to it. If tweets from someone's own twitter page can be false I didn't know that.

https://twitter.com/ilMal3/with_replies

 

[Fake]

You console warrirors need to get out of internet, go home and be a family man.

 

[Bernkastel]

Now they are literally mentioning me in the next gen thread and making up stuff and tagging mods to get me banned.

 

[SleepDoctor]

If you have someone like Bernkastel still around here on Gaf, those FUD threads about PS will always pop up. Imagine being this invested in your console, that X discord group is really pathetic. Even calling @Mod of War a pile of shit, very edgy.

More with the conspiracy theories. Spec thread right? Lol

 

[nush]

Now they are literally mentioning me in the next gen thread and making up stuff and tagging mods to get me banned.

@mods can you ban this Xbot already? K THX BYE!

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Don't ban bernie

 

[Jack Videogames]

haha teraflops go brr

This will go on until the next gen consoles release I'm sure, unless we ban all discussion on future game systems, which seems a bit counterproductive for a videogame forum

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Ok I don't know where I was supposed to send a response to this since the thread is locked, but I got a warning saying I'll be banned if I don't provide a link for a post I made. I thought the tweet was real because it came from his own Twitter page (tweets and replies section) and I didn't think to put a link to it. If tweets from someone's own twitter page can be false I didn't know that.

https://twitter.com/ilMal3/with_replies

Hi D Dnice1


The last mod note in the thread makes reference here:

Sony Principal Graphics Engineer confirms PS5 has custom architecture that is based on RDNA2. (Update: Read OP)

Rosario Leonardi, Principal Graphics Engineer at Sony Interactive Entertainment Europe, had this interesting tweet... He also confirmed there is no machine learning... You are confusing actual info with some bullshit. There is a full GCN support for hw BC. That's why it's "RDNA1".

www.neogaf.com

You must be able to provide the link to the tweet as you have screencapped it? The mod is asking for the link to the original tweet, or alternatively it's place in the chain, where it would say 'this tweet is unavailable' had it been deleted. As mentioned the mod did a full chain search and also a google cache search and could not find it, and this updated the log that is currently open. If it is on the link you provided above (https://twitter.com/ilMal3/with_replies) I cannot see it. Though that might be because I don't use twitter and might just be overlooking something. Can you directly link the tweet that you capped here in that page please?

 

[GHG]

@mods can you ban this Xbot already? K THX BYE!

Xthot actually.

 

[Infamy v1]

Edit: quote was removed from original thread since it was locked and merged here

Exactly what I was thinking. The fact that mods are trying to cancel things that we already know, and with Gavin himself having already proved it true, reminds me of the toxic ResetEra culture (*shudders*). And all because angry Sony fanboys are losing their minds and even sending death threats to the guy, his wife and even child.

These same console warriors are even victim blaming and mocking the damn guy talking about death threats, freely and without repercussion, all circle-jerking eachother with a fake Discord picture to try and combat the "fake" tweet. I thought we were better than ResetEra, but this shit makes me think twice.

 

[Bernkastel]

Edit: quote was removed from original thread since it was locked and merged here

Exactly what I was thinking. The fact that mods are trying to cancel things that we already know, and with Gavin himself having already proved it true, reminds me of the toxic ResetEra culture (*shudders*). And all because angry Sony fanboys are losing their minds and even sending death threats to the guy, his wife and even child.

These same console warriors are even victim blaming and mocking the damn guy talking about death threats, freely and without repercussion, all circle-jerking eachother with a fake Discord picture to try and combat the "fake" tweet. I thought we were better than ResetEra, but this shit makes me think twice.

They even dragged me who didnt participate in the whole teraflop war nonsense. Why they always try to get me(and only me) banned is beyond me. I always have the receipts if you try to bring up those conspiracy theories.

 

[Goalus]

These same console warriors are even victim blaming and mocking the damn guy talking about death threats, freely and without repercussion, all circle-jerking eachother with a fake Discord picture to try and combat the "fake" tweet. I thought we were better than ResetEra, but this shit makes me think twice.

I always knew Coulomb_Barrier was weird.

They even dragged me who didnt participate in the whole teraflop war nonsense. Why they always try to get me(and only me) banned is beyond me. I always have the receipts if you try to bring up those conspiracy theories.

They are desperate.

 

[SleepDoctor]

They even dragged me who didnt participate in the whole teraflop war nonsense. Why they always try to get me(and only me) banned is beyond me. I always have the receipts if you try to bring up those conspiracy theories.

Already got 3 fanboys adding to the dog pile. Lets see how long this nonsense is allowed to go on.

Sony fanboys are resembling the era crowd.

 

[cormack12]

Already got 3 fanboys adding to the dog pile. Lets see how long this nonsense is allowed to go on.

Sony fanboys are resembling the era crowd.

Weren't you doing the same the other day? cant remember what thread but there was an 'insider called bgx or something.

 

[Dnice1]

Hi D Dnice1


The last mod note in the thread makes reference here:

Sony Principal Graphics Engineer confirms PS5 has custom architecture that is based on RDNA2. (Update: Read OP)

Rosario Leonardi, Principal Graphics Engineer at Sony Interactive Entertainment Europe, had this interesting tweet... He also confirmed there is no machine learning... You are confusing actual info with some bullshit. There is a full GCN support for hw BC. That's why it's "RDNA1".

www.neogaf.com

You must be able to provide the link to the tweet as you have screencapped it? The mod is asking for the link to the original tweet, or alternatively it's place in the chain, where it would say 'this tweet is unavailable' had it been deleted. As mentioned the mod did a full chain search and also a gogole cache search and could not find it, and this updated the log that is currently open. If it is on the link you provided above (https://twitter.com/ilMal3/with_replies) I cannot see it. Though that might be because I don't use twitter and might just be overlooking something. Can you directly link the tweet that you capped here in that page please?

I don't have an original tweet or alternative. I saw the tweet when searching for PS5 news. I then went to the Leonardi's own twitter page in the tweets and replies section and it was there. So assumed it was real. So I just copy and pasted the tweet. I didn't think much of it because I got it from the guy's own page so I thought it would be easy for people to verify. If something can be faked on someone's own twitter page I did not know that and it was an honest mistake.

 

[SleepDoctor]

Weren't you doing the same the other day? cant remember what thread but there was an 'insider called bgx or something.

Nope. I have yet to insult anyone on a forum. I called him out for being condescending towards posters who asked anything about xsx, while also being one of the "insiders' to give the 13.8 tf rumor so much ground.

The spec thread got really toxic after that wasn't the case.

 

[nush]

Xthot actually.

Can't wait for you to discover the secret sauce!

 

[Bill O'Rights]

I don't have an original tweet or alternative. I saw the tweet when searching for PS5 news. I then went to the Leonardi's own twitter page in the tweets and replies section and it was there. So assumed it was real. So I just copy and pasted the tweet. I didn't think much of it because I got it from the guy's own page so I thought it would be easy for people to verify. If something can be faked on someone's own twitter page I did not know that and it was an honest mistake.

Then the thread will remain closed and take this as a lesson going forward. I'll check to see if there is a perm warning on the account and remove it - however, this incident will still be referenced in case it 'occurs' again. If you're going to use a reputable source to back up a claim, then always use an archive/direct link, not a screencap please. This is different to just general speculation based on a throwaway tweet, this was an assertion based a previous chain which completely derailed the thread. There was enough of a topic there to talk about without the extra fabrication. Usually when a tweet is deleted (e.g. the Ubisoft one about the 4K dispute), you will see this in its place:


Deleted tweet link showing unavailable


There is no evidence of this anywhere in the chain or the account, or in google cache. Again, like always this is an open offer - if anyone has a link to the original please furnish us with it and the thread will be re-opened.

 

[cormack12]

Nope. I have yet to insult anyone on a forum. I called him out for being condescending towards posters who asked anything about xsx, while also being one of the "insiders' to give the 13.8 tf rumor so much ground.

The spec thread got really toxic after that wasn't the case.

Maybe wrong person/wrong thread then, but I think most of the people who post in here are mostly the people who cause issues and fights in most of the threads to be honest. Like, all I think about is the next two years and dunno how you guys are going to cope. The PS5 heads going into xbox threads and same for the other side.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Maybe wrong person/wrong thread then, but I think most of the people who post in here are mostly the people who cause issues and fights in most of the threads to be honest. Like, all I think about is the next two years and dunno how you guys are going to cope. The PS5 heads going into xbox threads and same for the other side.

But don't you see? Trying to prove their arguments here IS how they cope! Are they trying to convince us, or themselves?

 

[TLZ]

I already did a long time ago and yet you still post the same pic once again(this time once again in ban review huh).
I was in the XboxEra discord for 10 days(December 31-January 10) and this is what you are looking for. At that time they let anyone who requested join. And I only stayed that long because Amber Chad said he will give me a BakaBT invite which I never got anyway.
Anyone can use any name and profile pic in discord. That profile pic in question was something I used in GAF after the Digital Foundry/Austin Evans Xbox Series X reveal and that is also when I became active again. That purple color in the name in the XboxEra discord is reserved for admins like EvilBoris. I also dont remember conversing with any of the people in your pic.
I was absent from most of Next Gen Teraflop speculation war because I was busy in real life and only occasionally posted news in xbox threads. This is also why I only have one post in the Next Gen Speculation thread.
Imagine your whole online life dedicated to talking about people you dont like because that is the only form of enjoyment you can derive.

No please explain who sends these screenshots, dont just use that card and run away.

Hmm... It was posted earlier in that thread that was closed, the PS5 RDNA 1.5 or whatever I think it was called.

And EvilBoris? Isn't that the HDR guy, the one Digital Foundry works with?

 

[Bernkastel]

Hmm... It was posted earlier in that thread that was closed, the PS5 RDNA 1.5 or whatever I think it was called.

And EvilBoris? Isn't that the HDR guy, the one Digital Foundry works with?

I already proved it was fake last time and you guys still use the same old screenshot and now in the Next Gen Speculation thread. I remember EvilBoris was an admin on XboxEra at that time, his name was in purple. I also dont remember any of those names in this screenshot, which was first posted here by TheAP99.

 

[TLZ]

I already proved it was fake last time and you guys still use the same old screenshot and now in the Next Gen Speculation thread. I remember EvilBoris was an admin on XboxEra at that time, his name was in purple. I also dont remember any of those names in this screenshot, which was first posted here by TheAP99.

I'm not part of any "you guys". I only just saw it earlier today in that thread and was shocked. I didn't even post-react to it and forgot about it. When I saw your post here I remembered and asked you for an explanation. Better from the horse's mouth than hearsay.

I find it very weird that those in that discord would use your name specifically. I wouldn't be happy if someone did that to me.

 

[Bernkastel]

I'm not part of any "you guys". I only just saw it earlier today in that thread and was shocked. I didn't even post-react to it and forgot about it. When I saw your post here I remembered and asked you for an explanation. Better from the horse's mouth than hearsay.

I find it very weird that those in that discord would use your name specifically. I wouldn't be happy if someone did that to me.

Keep in mind that this screenshot first came from TheAP99. Both him and Led Guy? later said they got it from someone else. I dont remember any one from that screenshot being in the XboxEra discord group. To me it looks like someone changed his name to my then NeoGAF name and profile pic(post XSX/PS5 spec reveal) and some other ResetEra members(I dont know who they are to be honest) in their discord server, staged a drama and took a screenshot. You can use any name or profile pic you want in discord.
I also find it weird that they target me specifically. I dont participate in Next Gen speculation thread and never participated in pre-reveal tera flop speculations.