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NeoGAF Ban Review/Justice Project

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pawel86ck

Banned
Pretty sure it was the "only possible on a 12TF machine" that got him on that, everything else in that post seemed fine
What's the difference between "only possible on a 12TF", and saying Xbox cant stream 8K textures? Both statements are equally wrong, and if Bodomism was banned for his post, then Bitbydeath should be banned as well, and especially since Bitbydeath started this discussion (and he also has warnings history). When you have two guys doing the same thing you cant ban just one of them.
 
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nush

Gold Member
What's the difference between "only possible on a 12TF", and saying Xbox cant stream 8K textures? Both statements are equally wrong, and if Bodomism was banned for his post, then Bitbydeath should be banned as well, and especially since Bitbydeath started this discussion (and he also has history warnings). When you have two guys doing the same thing you cant ban just one of them.

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TheContact

Member
What's the difference between "only possible on a 12TF", and saying Xbox cant stream 8K textures? Both statements are equally wrong, and if Bodomism was banned for his post, then Bitbydeath should be banned as well, and especially since Bitbydeath started this discussion (and he also has history warnings). When you have two guys doing the same thing you cant ban just one of them.

Like nush said, and the non-mods aren't privy to peoples' prior warnings, but likely because Bodo was warned previously as stated in his ban and Bit probably got a warning.
 

CatLady

Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
What's the difference between "only possible on a 12TF", and saying Xbox cant stream 8K textures? Both statements are equally wrong, and if Bodomism was banned for his post, then Bitbydeath should be banned as well, and especially since Bitbydeath started this discussion (and he also has history warnings). When you have two guys doing the same thing you cant ban just one of them.

I'm going to guess they probably linked the wrong post, we've seen that happen before when the Mod comment says multiple. Without knowing the posters history of warnings and console warring we don't see the same thing the mods see.

Obviously Bitbydeath's comment is worse since it's false & the bait that prompted Bodism's reply, but I don't think either one is a big deal and I doubt the linked post is the one Bod was banned for.
 

-Arcadia-

Banned
I'm not going to comment on this specific example, or speak for those that watch over the thread.

I do wonder though, if turning every single fanboy with multiple warnings, offenses, and bans, into a protracted multi-day court case of ridiculousness, as well as coming in to rage over deserved troll tags, is the best we can do as users.

I just feel like, we got handed a fantastic ability that exists nowhere else on the internet, and this is how we're deciding to use it. By endlessly tormenting (I don't know though, I'm not them) the people in charge over every single action they take, no matter how blatantly justified.

Perhaps appeals are something else that requires wisdom and thoughtfulness on our part, before deciding to press the post button.
 
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slugbahr

Unconfirmed Member
I'm not going to comment on this specific example, or speak for those that watch over the thread.

I do wonder though, if turning every single fanboy with multiple warnings, offenses, and bans, into a protracted multi-day court case of ridiculousness, as well as coming in to rage over deserved troll tags, is the best we can do as users.

I just feel like, we got handed a fantastic ability that exists nowhere else on the internet, and this is how we're deciding to use it. By endlessly tormenting (I don't know though, I'm not them) the people in charge over every single action they take, no matter how blatantly justified.

Perhaps appeals are something else that requires wisdom and thoughtfulness on our part, before deciding to press the post button.
Maybe a single post by a single user making a case to the mods/Evilore should be enforced somehow.
Then a mod responds to it, with maybe extra info than can be put in ther ban page.
Then everyone just accepts that and moves on from that particular user being banned for whatever their duration is.
There really isn't a need for multiple users to go to bat for someone. And speculation as to why the ban happened is with incomplete, and usually biased, info anyway. Mods shouldn't be making decisions based on the number of people arguing for and against, so there's no need for multiple posts about it.

My two cents.
 
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-Arcadia-

Banned
Maybe a single post by a single user making a case to the mods/Evilore should be enforced somehow.
Then a mod responds to it, with maybe extra info than can be put in ther ban page.
Then everyone just accepts that and moves on from that particular user being banned for whatever their duration is.
There really isn't a need for multiple users to go to bat for someone. And speculation as to why the ban happened is with incomplete, and usually biased, info anyway. Mods shouldn't be making decisions based on the number of people arguing for and against, so there's no need for multiple posts about it.

My two cents.

Good ideas, but I'd prefer to appeal to the people themselves, rather than putting restrictions on the process. That may be naive, but naive and stupid hope is kind of my thing. Lol.
 

Faithless83

Banned
By doing what I just did, pointing out that we're kind of abusing things a bit.
I'm not sure if it could help or just overburden the mods, but maybe a justification other than "multiple warnings" on how this was the post that pushed the mod to take action.

"You're banned because you did this/said that." Even quote it. It will make things clearer to everyone and a lesson as well. "Do this and you're out."

I'm not sure if it would alleviate the questioning, but at least on the cases that I took a stance I was trying to understand the reason. Multiple warnings is obvious to everyone around here.

That said, it's likely that people will not check the ban thread and ask anyway. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

-Arcadia-

Banned
I'm not sure if it could help or just overburden the mods, but maybe a justification other than "multiple warnings" on how this was the post that pushed the mod to take action.

"You're banned because you did this/said that." Even quote it. It will make things clearer to everyone and a lesson as well. "Do this and you're out."

I'm not sure if it would alleviate the questioning, but at least on the cases that I took a stance I was trying to understand the reason. Multiple warnings is obvious to everyone around here.

That said, it's likely that people will not check the ban thread and ask anyway. :messenger_grinning_sweat:

The big problem there is that the Ban warning can only be around two or three lines, based on the forum software. As it is, you can sometimes see them really struggling to get everything they're trying to say across in old-school Twitter text limits.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
I'm not sure if it could help or just overburden the mods, but maybe a justification other than "multiple warnings" on how this was the post that pushed the mod to take action.

"You're banned because you did this/said that." Even quote it. It will make things clearer to everyone and a lesson as well. "Do this and you're out."

I'm not sure if it would alleviate the questioning, but at least on the cases that I took a stance I was trying to understand the reason. Multiple warnings is obvious to everyone around here.

That said, it's likely that people will not check the ban thread and ask anyway. :messenger_grinning_sweat:

I dont think this is necessary. 95 percent of the time the ban is more than obvious to why it happened. And that other 5% is usually sorted out by the mods. Its not hard to follow the rules and not be a dick head.
 

Happosai

Hold onto your panties
I dont think this is necessary. 95 percent of the time the ban is more than obvious to why it happened. And that other 5% is usually sorted out by the mods. Its not hard to follow the rules and not be a dick head.
I figured that out from day one. GAF doesn't belong to me and Mod decisions are made by mods. When I signed up, I was directed to read the T & C. I read terms for everything and it's very clear prior to even having an account approved what is acceptable and what isn't.
 

Faithless83

Banned
I figured that out from day one. GAF doesn't belong to me and Mod decisions are made by mods. When I signed up, I was directed to read the T & C. I read terms for everything and it's very clear prior to even having an account approved what is acceptable and what isn't.
Put a steam/PSN/Xbox key for cyberpunk on the T&C and I bet you that it will take months, if not years to be claimed.

I do my best not to make mods life a pain, but not everyone is the same. People are bored due to the lack of news on next gen. Once the news start pouring in, it will get much worse.
 

SatansReverence

Hipster Princess
One thing that seems to be adding to the confusion is the general lack of the black banner warning messages that were publicly facing.

Might seem like a small thing but it helps knowing action is being taken in situations like this.

Bill O'Rights Bill O'Rights is there a reason for the general lack of the public facing warning messages?
 

Saber

Member
I don't have problem with bans, but the feeling I get is that most members here think that a sole action/post is the reasoning for a mod to act. I do not think that though.

A suggestion maybe is instead of showing one post is showing the entire reason and posts that lead to a ban of a member.
 
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SatansReverence

Hipster Princess
SatansReverence confessed to spending a night with Mark Cerny in 2018. And by all counts there were foot massages.
We own it
some of it*

p.s I never went back! His foot rubs were terrible and he kept trying to do weird things with my ears.

So the warning banners work, but I still seldom see them. Is it a mod option that is simply rarely used? Bill O'Rights Bill O'Rights
 
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Bill O'Rights

Seldom posts. Always delivers.
Staff Member
Might seem like a small thing but it helps knowing action is being taken in situations like this.

Bill O'Rights Bill O'Rights is there a reason for the general lack of the public facing warning messages?


Are you referencing the banners in post like the one above? We do apply them in very ambiguous cases but we try to not provide positive feedback loops to feed a mob mentality. Mainly for a few reasons:


1. We never really like to publicly 'brand' someone where possible for misdemeanours in thread, or make other aware that they have been given a 'nudge'. It would lead to further baiting of that user to try and push them further towards an edge. Basically it would feed an escalation loop. Sometimes threads are closed with a title amendment where people are being mischievious to say 'look, we know what you're doing, stop it'. For reply bans we sometimes issue them to prevent the same posts being reported.
2. If other members see moderation happening in real time they are more likely to spam report to try and get others that same warning, despite the behaviour and context being different.
3. If we want to reach out privately we have DM functions and notifications attached to edits and deletes which basically allow us to give the same sort of context to the actual poster to maybe put a cork in the bottle.


When reports get generated, generally if a post/behaviour is deemed out of line the offender will be warned, notified and the reporter will often get a short message that action was taken. That way, the two members concerned have clarity that something has happened.


We do our best to respond to most reports and we still reject most as they are not really report worthy. Most fall into 'They said something i don't like', rather than actual breaking of ToS, trolling or baiting. It's probably safe to assume if you don't hear after a report, there is an implicit rejection just because it would take a whole lot of time to simply retype 'Not really breaking ToS, discredit in thread'. We have to be as efficient as possible to catch those actual posts that are an issue. The rejections that are a bit more complex (misinterpetations etc.) usually get a little note to feed back that we haven't ignored it, but we think maybe it has been misinterpreted by the 'reporter'.


If you have a different take on using the banners more then feel free to sound off, we can always consider specific use cases or certain cases that may be applicable for further expansion.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
lol i read his posts and yeah like 4 out of 9 of his posts were about Indian fashion so is this some kind of evolved bot or could it be he was just sincere about indian fashion?

I'd say probably someone in India doing this shit for pennies.
 
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