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[cormack12]

The issue with discussing politics and I’m going to state the obvious here - our views on things are never gonna change someone else’s feelings and how they vote or how they lean politically.

When the attack on the Capitol happened two weeks back it was the first and last time I got involved with a political debate on here. I came away disappointed by some people’s thoughts on stuff but, hey, it’s their thoughts and they’ll probably feel the same about mine.

Basically, talking politics on a website dedicated to gaming, in my opinion, is a futile exercise and our time could be spent talking about games and having fun instead.

I spent five minutes at Era and left because I don’t want to talk about politics within every fucking thread. I can get my dose of politics at a million other places, I don’t need it in my ‘hobby space’ kind of thing.

The main problem I see surface is that the argument is actually about authoritarian–libertarian social views. But they are using left/right or progressive/conservative economic positions as synonyms for those. And also confusing libertarian with liberal. Which leads to the massive fucking mess we have when discussing anything.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Wouldn't "progressive" be the counter word to "conservative" here?

 

[ThatGamingDude]

Alright. Follow up with me in a week or two when things have cooled off and there's been time to evaluate the state of that Dan Ryckert thread.

I'd be willing to put my neck on the line for that thread too, if you'll have me

Agreed though, some people got real weird in that thread. That fucking Kish troll user was just...yeah man

 

[cormack12]

Wouldn't "progressive" be the counter word to "conservative" here?

yeah, that probably reads better on second glance, but its kind of imbues the phrasing with the wrong energy imo (progressive).

 

[Brute]

The main problem I see surface is that the argument is actually about authoritarian–libertarian social views. But they are using left/right or progressive/conservative economic positions as synonyms for those. And also confusing libertarian with liberal. Which leads to the massive fucking mess we have when discussing anything.

Which takes me back to my original point - why use this place as a forum for political debate? I'm sure 99% of members here originally joined to talk video games, the industry and the people involved. Sure, all forums have an off-topic sub forum but one dedicated to politics is always a bad idea from my experience.

There are Twitch streamers who have just ONE rule, for example - and that's No Politics Talk. Because it never ends well. I mean, in the music thread - who's gonna lose their shit if someone prefers Rolling Stones to The Beatles? They'll be some debate but its always light hearted and/or not offensive or heated.

Politics discussion always ends up a shit show whenever I've stumbled across it unless it's an echo chamber like Era where only one set of views are allowed. But then we've North Korea's version of a gaming forum (again, see Era).

 

[ThatGamingDude]

Which takes me back to my original point - why use this place as a forum for political debate? I'm sure 99% of members here originally joined to talk video games, the industry and the people involved. Sure, all forums have an off-topic sub forum but one dedicated to politics is always a bad idea from my experience.

There are Twitch streamers who have just ONE rule, for example - and that's No Politics Talk. Because it never ends well. I mean, in the music thread - who's gonna lose their shit if someone prefers Rolling Stones to The Beatles? I mean, they'll be some debate but its always light hearted.

Politics discussion always ends up a shit show.

I've had more gaming groups and paid communities outright remove their politics section and say it has no place in their business/community because of it's polarizing and sensitive nature

They don't mind the light "Dude what's with this? That's crazy!" kind of public banter, but if you get heated about politics even once, you're typically removed

That's where I stole the rhetoric of "This is the restaurant in an arcade."

 

[Moogle11]

Which takes me back to my original point - why use this place as a forum for political debate? I'm sure 99% of members here originally joined to talk video games, the industry and the people involved. Sure, all forums have an off-topic sub forum but one dedicated to politics is always a bad idea from my experience.

There are Twitch streamers who have just ONE rule, for example - and that's No Politics Talk. Because it never ends well. I mean, in the music thread - who's gonna lose their shit if someone prefers Rolling Stones to The Beatles? I mean, they'll be some debate but its always light hearted.

Politics discussion always ends up a shit show.

It does. But it’s a ton of work for mods and admins to just outright ban political talk with how it festers into everything these days. So probably a good, and easier for them, move to just isolate it to it‘s own sub forum as it seems like a lot of the people who talk politics all the time stay in there and rarely venture into gaming or off topic and shit things up there—unlike here a few years ago or Era since it’s formation. It seems to work well as a containment chamber that lets the rest of the site stay more light hearted.

Related to that and the above discussion about non-political news, I’d rather those threads keep getting posted in off topic. I doubt the most vocal people in the politics sub care much about the non-heated topics they can’t get on their soapbox about and those of us that ignore the politics sub would never see threads we’d be interested in reading and maybe posting in if they were in off topic.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

A FEW users seem to be going postal on the mods in PMs. I am not sure if this is the way to plead your case.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

A FEW users seem to be going postal on the mods in PMs. I am not sure if this is the way to plead your case.

- artists rendition of users going postal on the mods in PMs

 

[prag16]

It was best, most well behaved gaf.

 

[manfestival]

Which takes me back to my original point - why use this place as a forum for political debate? I'm sure 99% of members here originally joined to talk video games, the industry and the people involved. Sure, all forums have an off-topic sub forum but one dedicated to politics is always a bad idea from my experience.

There are Twitch streamers who have just ONE rule, for example - and that's No Politics Talk. Because it never ends well. I mean, in the music thread - who's gonna lose their shit if someone prefers Rolling Stones to The Beatles? They'll be some debate but its always light hearted and/or not offensive or heated.

Politics discussion always ends up a shit show whenever I've stumbled across it unless it's an echo chamber like Era where only one set of views are allowed. But then we've North Korea's version of a gaming forum (again, see Era).

I agree about your point and I am one of those that advocate against a political discussion within focused hobby groups. However, around 2015, GAF Offtopic became absolutely infested with political threads. To the point where actual off topic conversation was constantly drowned out by the constant barrage of threads that had the name of someone with T in the front of it. Offtopic became insufferable and I REALLY really wanted the politics section because of the circumstances.

 

[e&e]

Was the the perm for Schrödinger’s cat necessary? He had some of the most well thought out posts I’ve ever seen here.

No he didn’t. Pure ad hominem attacks. Sometimes I didn’t even know who he was talking to.

 

[TheContact]

If you can see it, then it seems like it was plenty clear.

nah he should know better. because given his past rhetoric it was more likely he was equating the capitol riot to the 4th of july but he does deserve the benefit of the doubt still.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

No he didn’t. Pure ad hominem attacks. Sometimes I didn’t even know who he was talking to.

He’s still used getting used to the new politics forum that has a healthy mix of ideas.

 

[Tesseract]

p. sure sc was demonstrating how ridiculous it is to tolerate some violence not others given america's foundation, since it's so often the argument lunatics make about the nature of change

you cannot have it both ways, either all political violence is bad or none at all

there's no grey area for provocateurs, you have to abide the law or go to jail

 

[Halo is Back]

Thank you !

(Not sure if you and I are on the same page here, but I won't start another argument about how newspapers and science are all lying bastards.)

Newspapers are lying bastards. Need to do your own research for science because they are often miss represented in media when reported on. Just track down the primary source of the study and make your own judgments.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Man, I am happy the politics subforum exists.
Before the 6th I didn't visit there more than once a week, and was happy all the crazy talk was contained there and off topic subforum was all about chins and butts.

Just don't go there if you don't like it.
Problem solved.

 

[Draef the Badger]

A FEW users seem to be going postal on the mods in PMs. I am not sure if this is the way to plead your case.

Artist's interpretation of the messages:

 

[Iorv3th]

nah he should know better. because given his past rhetoric it was more likely he was equating the capitol riot to the 4th of july but he does deserve the benefit of the doubt still.

If you just take it literally. He was responding to someone saying "Since when do we celebrate violent insurrections" and July 4th is technically that against our former government. I don't think he supports the riots on the 6th.

 

[ThatGamingDude]

He's on a temp ban for flying too close to the sun; it's already been dropped down once

Give it a few days ease so management's head can rest about it and they can deal with other things; bring it up later so then they can take a look at it with a more fresh perspective

Think about what beer you'd buy the mods for having to deal with this shit, or what milk you'd give the Cat upon their return

 

[Malakhov]

Wow, a lot of regulars were banned lately. Can't believe some of these names but sadly I'm experiencing exactly what is going on on this forum in real life as well.

Some collegues and friends really went deep down into the conspiracy rabbit hole. I don't even know what to reply to them anymore..

These users while the site went through what it did in 2016 were not like this, the thing I liked back then and it is still that way is that we could now speak openly about different point of views, laughing and having fun about these crazy ultra left liberals batcrazies but sometime along that, some users became the exact opposite of what we were laughing at... Crazy ultra right wing batcrazies.

I think covid and what is going on in politics right now is really affecting a lot of people mentally. Take care of yourselves folks, these are hard times

 

[Draef the Badger]

Just don't talk about conspiracy stuff. It's not that hard.

 

[Tesseract]

Just don't talk about conspiracy stuff. It's not that hard.

 

[Draef the Badger]

 

[Holgren]

I come to appeal for the revoke of the permabans of Crypto and JordanN to a few months ban. I think perma is too harsh for those users who have provided good content throughout last year (even if I don't agree with their views). Please consider the current times in which both of these bans happened: After an election where the preferred candidate of these users lost, after Capitol disaster and close to the application of the new rules to the Politics subforum. Due to the context, emotions are on edge and the new rules of the subforum haven't been long enough to have a clear clarification of what can be considered conspiracy and what not, especially considering the previous culture of the subforum.

So I think that a few months ban would be much better since the controversial times we are going through will be long gone, as well as the conspiracies that come with it. Both users were great contributors to the forum in general (see their posts in Off-Topic and Gaming Section), and I consider it especially unjust when someone like Schrodinger's Cat gets a temporary ban, who was a user that only posted in the Politics subforum with the explicit aim (he said so himself) to antagonize people and never debate the topics at hand. If anything it should be the other way around, with JordanN and Crypto getting temp and SC getting the permaban.

 

[nush]

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

A FEW users seem to be going postal on the mods in PMs.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

I come to appeal for the revoke of the permabans of Crypto and JordanN to a few months ban. I think perma is too harsh for those users who have provided good content throughout last year (even if I don't agree with their views). Please consider the current times in which both of these bans happened: After an election where the preferred candidate of these users lost, after Capitol disaster and close to the application of the new rules to the Politics subforum. Due to the context, emotions are on edge and the new rules of the subforum haven't been long enough to have a clear clarification of what can be considered conspiracy and what not, especially considering the previous culture of the subforum.

So I think that a few months ban would be much better since the controversial times we are going through will be long gone, as well as the conspiracies that come with it. Both users were great contributors to the forum in general (see their posts in Off-Topic and Gaming Section), and I consider it especially unjust when someone like Schrodinger's Cat get a temporary ban, who was a user that only posted in the Politics subforum with the explicit aim (he said so himself) to antagonize people and never debate the topics at hand. If anything it should be the other way around, with JordanN and Crypto getting temp and SC getting the permaban.

Please consider the current times in which both of these bans happened: After an election where the preferred candidate of these users lost

Both of those users are Canadian, the hilarity of this fact will never be lost on me. "Their preferred candidate" haha

JordanN wasn't banned because he had a tantrum due to Trump losing. He was banned for the racist bullshit he kept posting. He was banned for a month because of it, and (according to evilore) came back and kept going with the same racist views. What do you expect to happen?

Crypto was apparently warned repeatedly that his nonstop conspiracy shit needed to be toned down, that the forum needed adjusting and these views weren't going to fly anymore. What did he do? Kept right at it. What do you expect to happen?

These 'appeals' are getting to be quite cringe inducing when you actually pay attention to why these people are getting banned. It isnt as if staff are just lynching long standing members for no rhyme or reason.

 

[Holgren]

Both of those users are Canadian, the hilarity of this fact will never be lost on me.

JordanN wasn't banned because he had a tantrum due to Trump losing. He was banned for the racist bullshit he kept posting. He was banned for a month because of it, and (according to evilore) came back and kept going with the same racist views. What do you expect to happen?

Crypto was apparently warned repeatedly that his nonstop conspiracy shit needed to be toned down, that the forum needed adjusting and these views weren't going to fly anymore. What did he do? Kept right at it. What do you expect to happen?

These 'appeals' are getting to be quite cringe inducing when you actually pay attention to why these people are getting banned. It isnt as if staff are just lynching long standing members for no rhyme or reason.

What was the racist bullshit that JordanN posted? I cannot see the post that got him banned since in the list there isn't a link guiding to it. If he said some explicit racist things like calling people of X place genetically inferior, then I stand corrected and will no longer appeal for him. But if it is about the views he has about certain cultures, then I keep with my original appeal.

I am well aware of JordanN's views about western culture and third world countries, and how he doesn't like the mix that is happening between them thanks to globalization, I had a debate with him awhile ago about this specific topic since I fundamentally disagreed with him in many points (being myself South American). I understand how certain things he says could rub some people the wrong way, but these are views that can easily be rebuted and if you engaged with him he would actually respond with arguments defending his point of views with a clear rationale and without falling to personal attacks (which I at least was thankful that his responses were so thorough). Even if his point of views are not mainstream and generally frowned upon now, it is a legitimate political stance presented in a coherent and respectful manner, and If the politics subforum wants to be a space for political debate, it should be open for people with his ideology to share their views. He created discussion of different range of topics (the last one I saw was about U.S National Debt) so it isn't like he was parroting the same things over and over again. I also don't consider his points of view racist. Race and culture are different things and I think it is legit to discuss and be critic of certain customs, as well as how each of them relate to the western idea of progress. I would like to know what would be "racist" now, since it is difficult to have a political debate when more and more topics are banned as people get personally offended so quickly.

If mods can see the posts and threads of banned users, then I would like them to compare JordanN thread and post history to Schrodinger's Cat constant poor psychoanalysis schtick where he never adresses anything, the difference should be as clear as night and day.

As for Crypto, I just think that a temp ban would be better since he was only warned before and not banned. Maybe he needed to actually suffer the consequences of breaking the new rules. A few weeks back it seems that his posting wasn't an issue but now he is permanently banned? I don't know, it just feels that here the moderation pulled the trigger to quickly and didn't see it long term. Way too punitive imo.

 

[Halo is Back]

 

[Happosai]

I come to appeal for the revoke of the permabans of Crypto and JordanN to a few months ban. I think perma is too harsh for those users who have provided good content throughout last year (even if I don't agree with their views). Please consider the current times in which both of these bans happened: After an election where the preferred candidate of these users lost, after Capitol disaster and close to the application of the new rules to the Politics subforum. Due to the context, emotions are on edge and the new rules of the subforum haven't been long enough to have a clear clarification of what can be considered conspiracy and what not, especially considering the previous culture of the subforum.

So I think that a few months ban would be much better since the controversial times we are going through will be long gone, as well as the conspiracies that come with it. Both users were great contributors to the forum in general (see their posts in Off-Topic and Gaming Section), and I consider it especially unjust when someone like Schrodinger's Cat gets a temporary ban, who was a user that only posted in the Politics subforum with the explicit aim (he said so himself) to antagonize people and never debate the topics at hand. If anything it should be the other way around, with JordanN and Crypto getting temp and SC getting the permaban.

You mentioned Crypto's candidate losing as a reason for him to go off the handle. According to his GAF info and rep he was Canadian. When was Trump president in Canada?

 

[Holgren]

You mentioned Crypto's candidate losing as a reason for him to go off the handle. According to his GAF info and rep he was Canadian. When was Trump president in Canada?

He was clearly invested in the ideas related to Trump and followed U.S politics closely, so it is safe to say that it was his candidate as in wanting Trump to win the reelection of being president of his neighbour country, which also turns out to be a major superpower that greatly influences in the region and the world. So yes, I consider it was his candidate, but if it still seems weird to you, change it to "the foreign candidate they were supporting", point still stands.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

What was the racist bullshit that JordanN posted? I cannot see the post that got him banned since in the list there isn't a link guiding to it. If he said some explicit racist things like calling people of X place genetically inferior, then I stand corrected and will no longer appeal for him. But if it is about the views he has about certain cultures, then I keep with my original appeal.

I am well aware of JordanN's views about western culture and third world countries, and how he doesn't like the mix that is happening between them thanks to globalization, I had a debate with him awhile ago about this specific topic since I fundamentally disagreed with him in many points (being myself South American). I understand how certain things he says could rub some people the wrong way, but these are views that can easily be rebuted and if you engaged with him he would actually respond with arguments defending his point of views with a clear rationale and without falling to personal attacks (which I at least was thankful that his responses were so thorough). Even if his point of views are not mainstream and generally frowned upon now, it is a legitimate political stance presented in a coherent and respectful manner, and If the politics subforum wants to be a space for political debate, it should be open for people with his ideology to share their views. He created discussion of different range of topics (the last one I saw was about U.S National Debt) so it isn't like he was parroting the same things over and over again. I also don't consider his points of view racist. Race and culture are different things and I think it is legit to discuss and be critic of certain customs, as well as how each of them relate to the western idea of progress. I would like to know what would be "racist" now, since it is difficult to have a political debate when more and more topics are banned as people get personally offended so quickly.

If mods can see the posts and threads of banned users, then I would like them to compare JordanN thread and post history to Schrodinger's Cat constant poor psychoanalysis schtick where he never adresses anything, the difference should be as clear as night and day.

As for Crypto, I just think that a temp ban would be better since he was only warned before and not banned. Maybe he needed to actually suffer the consequences of breaking the new rules. A few weeks back it seems that his posting wasn't an issue but now he is permanently banned? I don't know, it just feels that here the moderation pulled the trigger to quickly and didn't see it long term. Way too punitive imo.

Yes, his posts were racial, not cultural. He went hard on the racial I.Q. thing. There is no sense comparing him to schrodinger as their situations were completely different. It isnt as if I'm glad these people are gone, losing members of the community is shitty.

As irritating as schrodingers abrasive schtick was or JordanN's far right ideology was I've never had the feeling of wanting them to be banned. Or anyone else for that matter, however I also don't run the forum and have to deal with all the responsibilities and fallout that comes with it. I can understand why evilore wouldn't want that racial I.Q. insanity on the board though. Not a good look.

 

[PhoenixTank]

What was the racist bullshit that JordanN posted? I cannot see the post that got him banned since in the list there isn't a link guiding to it. If he said some explicit racist things like calling people of X place genetically inferior, then I stand corrected and will no longer appeal for him. But if it is about the views he has about certain cultures, then I keep with my original appeal.

Back in November, this I believe copped him the original 1 month ban.

#1 Ranked Public High School in the US has a problem of too many Asians

Not falling for this, Chris Hansen.

www.neogaf.com

He continued on since his return, leading to current perm and this response from EL when brought up a week ago.

Continuation of the racial IQ posts [cybrwzrd & JordanN] recently came back from one month bans for.

I don't think JordanN is a hateful person, just on the spectrum and looking to find ways of categorizing the world around him, which is why he's been handled gently, but it's been too many times.

 

[West Texas CEO]

 

[ManofOne]

You mentioned Crypto's candidate losing as a reason for him to go off the handle. According to his GAF info and rep he was Canadian. When was Trump president in Canada?

And? He could have related to the politics of Trump. Same as those relating to the politics of Marxist, Communist, Authoritarians and so on? Weirdest argument I ever saw.

 

[ManofOne]

Afro.........is that you?

 

[The Time Of Mario]

User Given Expires Reason
Ceiling Fan Jan 20, 2021 Permanent All of banned user.

I think that is meant to say "Alt of banned user." It looks too much like all of the banned users made an alt together.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

User Given Expires Reason
Ceiling Fan Jan 20, 2021 Permanent All of banned user.

I think that is meant to say "Alt of banned user." It looks too much like all of the banned users made an alt together.

But which user is it?

 

[nush]

But which user is it?

 

[cr0w]

JordanN

good content

 

[Bernkastel]

But which user is it?

meirl

 

[Piku_Ringo]

meirl

Who?

 

[Happosai]

And? He could have related to the politics of Trump. Same as those relating to the politics of Marxist, Communist, Authoritarians and so on? Weirdest argument I ever saw.

No argument. Just thought it was a weird point made by the original poster. Seemed like by saying "his candidate lost" implied that Crypto actually had Trump as a president. Peace, mate. I'll be opaque, too.I don't relate to politicians on any platform or party; so I'm not going to particularly try to petition anyone getting banned for politics on a gaming forum needs to be unbanned.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

the God emperor does not recognize your arbitrary national borders

 

[DeepEnigma]

the God emperor does not recognize your arbitrary national borders

Amazing how nationalist "progressives" on this forum became with select users.

Funny, that.

wat

Speaking on how some people who identify as progressive and on the left, resorted to attacking select users with, "you are not even from here," and the like. You know, what they used to call "white nationalist" rhetoric.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Amazing how nationalist "progressives" on this forum became with select users.

Funny, that.

wat

 

[e&e]

Hey EviLore , can I get my privileges back for Politics so I can celebrate Inauguration Day and enjoy the festive back and forth? You can revoke my thread creating privileges too.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

Hey EviLore , can I get my privileges back for Politics so I can celebrate Inauguration Day and enjoy the festive back and forth? You can revoke my thread creating privileges too.

Magic 8ball says "Nope."

 

[Jethalal]

Hey EviLore , can I get my privileges back for Politics so I can celebrate Inauguration Day and enjoy the festive back and forth? You can revoke my thread creating privileges too.

What do you mean by celebrate? You gonna burst some crackers over here?