Dion Blaster
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It was my #2, didn't expect to see it very high though. Didn't sell well.
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NeoGAF Games of the Generation Awards
- Thread starter AniHawk
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All 24 of them voted.
Not as many as I was expecting.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Before the HD rerelease this game had a ton of momentum behind it. I feel like it gathered a massive cult following in the 2005 timeframe. Sad to see it not represented it really is the best Zelda game of the generation.
Man, what a great generation that was. I feel like the gaming landscape was so much more exciting back then. 
Surprisingly solid list. I'm pretty much okay with everything on there except Smash Bros, Halo 2, and Twilight Princess. I would add Shenmue 1 and 2, JGR, PSO, Yakuza 1 and 2, Ico, Persona 3, and maybe a few others, and change the order a bit, but still, pretty great list. Kind of surprised by almost no Dreamcast showing.
Surprisingly solid list. I'm pretty much okay with everything on there except Smash Bros, Halo 2, and Twilight Princess. I would add Shenmue 1 and 2, JGR, PSO, Yakuza 1 and 2, Ico, Persona 3, and maybe a few others, and change the order a bit, but still, pretty great list. Kind of surprised by almost no Dreamcast showing.
Dragon1893
Member
That's some great work AniHawk.
Great list but no Nocturne or Persona 3 makes me sad.
Great list but no Nocturne or Persona 3 makes me sad.
timetokill
Banned
That shouldn't be done until 2017 at the earliest.
I played it for the first time on the HD collection and was shocked.
That was what people raved over? It was a giant disaster of a game somewhat kept afloat by its battle system and sphere grid.
GregLombardi
Member
Dat#1 - truth.
Great work Ani!
Great work Ani!
Red and Blue placing in at number 14 while Heartgold and Soulsilver comes in at the absolute bottom of the list is nuts. It's just as weird seeing the original DKC crush DKC2. I know a lot of these list come down to how many people played the games in the first place, but I thought these were pretty widely held as fan favorites in their respective series.
Narrowing down the selection to ten games was really hard but the results are mostly great.
Top 3 is perfect.
Vice City over San Andreas (if only by honorable mentions)
WoW, Deus Ex and Baldur's Gate 2 all made it into Top 20.
Though Burnout 3 should have been higher and THPS3 should have been WAY higher.
But, all things considered, the list worked out pretty well, great job Ani. I'm surprised Halo 2 barely made it into Top 25.
Top 3 is perfect.
Vice City over San Andreas (if only by honorable mentions)
WoW, Deus Ex and Baldur's Gate 2 all made it into Top 20.
Though Burnout 3 should have been higher and THPS3 should have been WAY higher.
But, all things considered, the list worked out pretty well, great job Ani. I'm surprised Halo 2 barely made it into Top 25.
For once, I agree with GAF. I stopped playing Echoes because it was so fucking tedious and dull. Fusion has amazing atmosphere, great pacing and some of the best bosses in the series.
Twilight Princess probably didn't get as many votes as it could, because as mentioned, the player base was divided into GC and Wii. I played the GC version, but I'd have voted for Wind Waker regardless. It has a slightly tighter package and while the triforce quest was definitely padding, the whole game in Twilight Princess was padding between dungeons.
Dion Blaster
Member
Oh yeah DKC2 getting crushed by DKC1 was my biggest head-scratcher. I figured the only Pokemon game that could catch Red/Blue was Gold/Silver and it was at least in the vicinity. There was no way the majority of people would vote for the remakes over the originals, regardless of improvements.
Visualante2
Member
I'd say Final Fantasy is a touch over rated. I suspect it just comes down to a large number of members playing it first and having a strong emotional reaction to it. Otherwise stellar list.
Beyond forum preference towards consoles, it also was significantly harder to vote as a primarily PC gamer. It's much easier to remember if you played a game on a specific console compared to whether you played a game within a timeframe.
I didn't want to spend hours doing research so i just posted my top 3. I'm happy to see some great games on the list so obviously enough people took the time to validate release dates.
This isn't a complaint, just pointing out why PC participation was likely lower. A problem you can't remedy due to lacking of distinct generations.
Great work and awesome idea with this thread!
I didn't want to spend hours doing research so i just posted my top 3. I'm happy to see some great games on the list so obviously enough people took the time to validate release dates.
This isn't a complaint, just pointing out why PC participation was likely lower. A problem you can't remedy due to lacking of distinct generations.
Great work and awesome idea with this thread!
Benzychenz
Member
I am so disappointed in GAF putting Kingdom Hearts in 60th place.
I have no evidence to support my claim, but Nintendo fans are very vocal so I'm not surprised to see a lot of Gamecube games make the top 10. For example PS2 games should theoretically win by a landslide considering 150m consoles sold vs Gamcube 20m sold. PS2 games rightly gets the most number of votes, but the Gamecube votes are concentrated on a few certain key games (Metroid, F-Zero, Zelda, RE 4, Melee) and seems like all Gamecube owners play the same games.
Good list overall GAF! I am surprised about a few games being so high up there though, like FFX (thought people found it not holding up so well). Seeing Outrun 2 and 2006 being on the racing list as well as F-Zero GX is heartwarming though, as are the two WarioWare games in the Puzzle list. (Nintendo/Sega: you know what to do!)
What is Wind Waker doing anywhere in the top 10. A total fanboy pick.
Solid results though overall. GJ Anihawk.
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I cannot wrap my mind around this. TP is a better game than WW in nearly every aspect that matters. Only thing WW has over it is visuals.
Solid results though overall. GJ Anihawk.
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I cannot wrap my mind around this. TP is a better game than WW in nearly every aspect that matters. Only thing WW has over it is visuals.
Half-Life 2 is not PC-only.
petran79
Banned
At that time PC gaming was at a turning point. Drop of Windows 9x/DOS and migration to Windows NT architecture. Massive failure of Windows Millenium. Lots of compatibility issues. Developers and genres moving to consoles, omitting PC. For me PC gaming back then was at a chaos. Emulators were the only exception. Only recently does PC gaming remind me of the golden era of the 90s.
That generation was basically the last where it was worth owning a console for exclusives.
With PS3/Xbox360/Wii later on that gap did narrow significantly and a lot of titles had also a PC release.
I played games both on Dreamcast/Windows XP/Arcades. Hence why I voted only at the games I played back then. Had I voted based on the information and knowledge I gathered after almost 15 years, list would have been different. I also saw RE4, MGS3 and Shadow of the Colossus on PS2, but primarily as a viewer. My friend was playing and I was watching or giving advice. For the better. I would have been bored if I played those games but it was amazing watching someone else playing the games.
Back then 3S wasnt that popular compared to SC, MvC2, CvsSNK2 and 3d fighters. It only took off after the EVO 2004 moment.
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike has a small, dedicated fanbase.
Super Smash Bros Melee has a massive dedicated fanbase that's still hosting tournaments with over a thousand participants over a decade after its release. Not to mention it was the highest selling game on the Gamecube and was a casual favorite.
I think it was pretty obvious Melee was going to win the fighting category.
I don't know why I voted tbh, I did it in a rush so I was basically writing down games I remember best at that current moment rather than a solid list. If I wrote my list now almost everything would be different, with games not even in my honorable mentions making the top five.
I had it high in my list, then dropped it down, then put it back up but ultimately dropped it lower. :/ I regret my list.
I had it high in my list, then dropped it down, then put it back up but ultimately dropped it lower. :/ I regret my list.
Droopaloop
Banned
Good list. Didn't vote, but you have good taste gaf.
DerZuhälter
Member
Terrible list. Do never dare to make fun again about IGN and other publications list's with taste like that GAF. Thank god I didn't vote.
But good job putting it together guys.
But good job putting it together guys.
That's a pretty good list.
Game is good but nowhere near the top so I'd say it's place is deserved.
Game is good but nowhere near the top so I'd say it's place is deserved.
toddhunter
Member
What I find interesting is that the top 10 are all quite flawed in their own way:
1. RE4 - One of the best first halves of a game ever, with the second half falling away and providing several tedious sections.
3. MGS3 - One of the best second halves of a game ever, with the first half spent battling the controls and going through some areas which are not particularly interesting.
4. Shadow of the Colossus - Plagued by technical issues.
6. Half Life 2 - Forced you to use Steam (people might laugh, but it was a huge deal at the time).
7. MGS2 - Where to begin...
9. Halo - Dumbed down the fps genre for ... all the years to come so far
10. Final Fantasy X - Tidus.
The last two might be a stretch and I didn't play the Nintendo offerings. I think the point is that great games get away with a lot because of the immersion they create. Extending this point, is why VR isn't an automatic big hit. Unless it comes with "great games" extra immersion just isn't a selling point.
The best games ever will already suck you in and never let you go.
1. RE4 - One of the best first halves of a game ever, with the second half falling away and providing several tedious sections.
3. MGS3 - One of the best second halves of a game ever, with the first half spent battling the controls and going through some areas which are not particularly interesting.
4. Shadow of the Colossus - Plagued by technical issues.
6. Half Life 2 - Forced you to use Steam (people might laugh, but it was a huge deal at the time).
7. MGS2 - Where to begin...
9. Halo - Dumbed down the fps genre for ... all the years to come so far
10. Final Fantasy X - Tidus.
The last two might be a stretch and I didn't play the Nintendo offerings. I think the point is that great games get away with a lot because of the immersion they create. Extending this point, is why VR isn't an automatic big hit. Unless it comes with "great games" extra immersion just isn't a selling point.
The best games ever will already suck you in and never let you go.
Horror
1. Resident Evil 4 (PlayStation 2, Gamecube)
2. Silent Hill 2 (PC, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
3. Resident Evil (Gamecube)
4. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem (Gamecube)
5. FEAR (PC)
6. Silent Hill 3 (PC, PlayStation 2)
7. Fatal Frame II: Crimson Butterfly (PlayStation 2, Xbox)
8. Resident Evil: Code Veronica (Dreamcast, PlayStation 2)
9. Fatal Frame (PlayStation 2, Xbox)
10. The Suffering (PC, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
Is this a joke? How RE 4 can be a Horror Game???!!! It isn't in any possible way.
Horror
1. Resident Evil 4 (PlayStation 2, Gamecube)
2. Silent Hill 2 (PC, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
3. Resident Evil (Gamecube)
4. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem (Gamecube)
5. FEAR (PC)
6. Silent Hill 3 (PC, PlayStation 2)
7. Fatal Frame II: Crimson Butterfly (PlayStation 2, Xbox)
8. Resident Evil: Code Veronica (Dreamcast, PlayStation 2)
9. Fatal Frame (PlayStation 2, Xbox)
10. The Suffering (PC, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
Is this a joke? How RE 4 can be a Horror Game???!!! It isn't in any possible way.
Well it is horror game is it not? It also was voted to be the best game of the generation so of course it also tops horror list. Sure it wasn't best at horror but it is still the best game out of those games IMO.
I didn't vote but this is a good list.
I've played every game in the top 25 and all deserve to be on there. All those games deserve to be played. Plus more.
Actually it's not till I get to around the 180's that I start to question quality. I've also played every game in the top 135. Dang.
I've played every game in the top 25 and all deserve to be on there. All those games deserve to be played. Plus more.
Actually it's not till I get to around the 180's that I start to question quality. I've also played every game in the top 135. Dang.
SotC way too high. Halo too. HL2 deserves 2nd if not top spot. Also, Deus Ex probably deserves a lot better too.
The comment for Halo CE is absolutely right. The game ultimately influenced almost every game of the genre... in a bas way and leading to the death of competitive arena shooters.
The comment for Halo CE is absolutely right. The game ultimately influenced almost every game of the genre... in a bas way and leading to the death of competitive arena shooters.