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Neon Genesis Evangelion AKA the worst anime ever
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clearly 12.
I wonder what's the best anime you have even seen, OP? I'm actually genuinely interested.
When people they hated Shinji, they simply didn't understand him. That's what the whole show is about! Nobody understood Shinji and Shinji didn't want to understand anyone and then they just told him to get into the giant robot!
When people they hated Shinji, they simply didn't understand him. That's what the whole show is about! Nobody understood Shinji and Shinji didn't want to understand anyone and then they just told him to get into the giant robot!
Princess Carl
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What a thread turn. What are the chances he has even watched the show before?
Birgitte2004
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Doesn't matter who wrote it, I am highly amused by the idea that "I didn't get it" = "no story at all".
names2hard4you
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Darkologia AKA the worst GAF poster ever
If you think Eva is the worst, you my friend haven't watched bad anime yet, just saying. OP please amuse me and tell me which Anime is best ever please because I want to watch it.
If you think Eva is the worst, you my friend haven't watched bad anime yet, just saying. OP please amuse me and tell me which Anime is best ever please because I want to watch it.
Joffrey was a good character? He's on the level of Ramsay Bolton and is basically a collection of negative character traits amplified to huge levels to really give people someone to hate. Now someone like Jamie Lannister? Yeah that might have been a better choice for your arguement.
Also tedious? What was tedious about Shinji's character... such an odd remark.
probably something like Death Note. I've noted a high correlation between people who like crap like Death Note and hate on good anime like Evangelion.
EGOMON
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Can we move past those two words? i already explain it is not my wording *sigh* i ruined my own thread i was looking forward to find out why people like this anime but now it will devolve into "whatyearisthis" "How old are you" "Disregarded".
To those who care and want to discuss:
I get the depression of Shinji and his past but at one point he should fuckin move on it was dragging the whole show and whats with biblical stuff being thrown around at every possible frame?
To those who care and want to discuss:
I get the depression of Shinji and his past but at one point he should fuckin move on it was dragging the whole show and whats with biblical stuff being thrown around at every possible frame?
Gonna preface by saying it's been a long time since I watched this show
He never gets over his childhood "trauma" of not having his father raise him. Even after he shows some moments of courage, for some reason he always reverts back to his cowardly personality. It's annoying to the viewer because we're waiting for his character to develop and it simply never happens.
Also, how fucking stupid is it that he can't understand that his father wasn't able to be by his side because he's out there being the main man of a group trying to save humanity?
He never gets over his childhood "trauma" of not having his father raise him. Even after he shows some moments of courage, for some reason he always reverts back to his cowardly personality. It's annoying to the viewer because we're waiting for his character to develop and it simply never happens.
Also, how fucking stupid is it that he can't understand that his father wasn't able to be by his side because he's out there being the main man of a group trying to save humanity?
EVA is terrible this is true. Some like to say it has depth and insight when it was merely budget cuts and Christian imagery and symbolism thrown in because those things are rare and exotic to a lot of Japanese. The guy who made the show said as much.
In other words, yeah they made it up as they went along.
In other words, yeah they made it up as they went along.
FlashbladeGAF
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You Are (Not) Alone
I certainly wouldn't use the words you quote, but I think your selling it a bit short. Anno was/is a massive nerd so he drew inspiration from many things that came before. Except the unique part comes with how he inserted himself in the various at an extremely emotional time in his life, which reflects off each of them. He take the goofy pulp with his own creative turmoil.
In that way (and pretty much only that way lol) it's kinda like Star Wars. The balance of course tips later on, but that brings about some very impactful parts of the series (imho).
Hindenblewp
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How is Shinji unbelievable? He's a sheltered boy with low self-estem who is put in an extraordinary situation and is forced to be basically a savior of the world.
Well, maybe the point was that it's not easy to simply "fucking move on"? Especially when you have such a huge burden thrown on your shoulders as saving the fucking world.
The whole show is about isolation, rejection and depression. Most (if not all, I don't remember the anime that well now) main characters in the show suffers for that but each of them deal with it in a different way.
Megalosaro
Banned
I saw this last year for the first time.
I thought it was good but not great. It almost was, with some great moments but over all feel just shy.
The show did look great though.
Best character is obviously Gendo. Shinji was okay. He was interesting enough.
Rei sucks. Boring. Asuka also is overrated. I did like Chansuuuuuuuu though.
Katsuragi was cool too.
End of evangelion is ok. The first half sucks but the back half is amazing. I've never seen anything like that
I thought it was good but not great. It almost was, with some great moments but over all feel just shy.
The show did look great though.
Best character is obviously Gendo. Shinji was okay. He was interesting enough.
Rei sucks. Boring. Asuka also is overrated. I did like Chansuuuuuuuu though.
Katsuragi was cool too.
End of evangelion is ok. The first half sucks but the back half is amazing. I've never seen anything like that
Haha dude you choose those words and now you gotta live with it. Not like it would have taken very long to write out a few sentences of your own. Its just lazy and the fact the source you picked was pretty shitty just reflects even worse on you. So yeah, you did it to yourself. You reap what you sew.
Edit: I also don't think you were looking for an actual conversation in the first place.
JadedWriter
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But what about best waifu Ritsuko?
The perfect anime for a troubled teeneager in the mid 90's.
Megalosaro
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Paltheos
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Weak attempt, OP. The troll is too obvious. Gotta be a little subtler.
First thought tbh. No basic grasp of the show's themes, childish insults, baity language. Always tough to tell whether they're young or trolling. Because this is NeoGAF I want to believe the answer is 'young' but also because this is NeoGAF the answer could be 'neither'.
First thought tbh. No basic grasp of the show's themes, childish insults, baity language. Always tough to tell whether they're young or trolling. Because this is NeoGAF I want to believe the answer is 'young' but also because this is NeoGAF the answer could be 'neither'.
I feel like people who think Shinji sucks or is acting in an unbelievable way don't understand depression. And I don't mean just feeling sad, but real clinical depression.
As a person who has suffered with depression all my life since early adolescence, the way Shinji acts is really pretty acurrate to the experience. Hell, the creator of the show was supposedly going through a depressive state when he made the show.
Evangelion has giant robots and monsters in it, but honestly the show is primarily about people dealing with mental illness in an environment that has little to no support for them. Its sad that some people can't empathize with that.
As a person who has suffered with depression all my life since early adolescence, the way Shinji acts is really pretty acurrate to the experience. Hell, the creator of the show was supposedly going through a depressive state when he made the show.
Evangelion has giant robots and monsters in it, but honestly the show is primarily about people dealing with mental illness in an environment that has little to no support for them. Its sad that some people can't empathize with that.
JadedWriter
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She did make some of the worst fucking choices in the show, that's for damn sure.
ZombiePlatypus
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I'll never understand how any viewer who's not a child would call Shinji whiny. He's already dealing with abandonment issues, an abusive father , (and probably depression), and is thrust into an impossible situation where he has to fight horrifying battles.
Yes Mechs are cool, but I doubt anyone would be so gungho in his situation. He's not some derivative shounen hero.
Yes Mechs are cool, but I doubt anyone would be so gungho in his situation. He's not some derivative shounen hero.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Enjoying evangelion is all about wanting to look deeper than the surface of what is presented.
The characters are some pretty complex personalities but you won't notice if you're there for a mecha vs monster anime.
For example Misato might seem like just a goofy girl but if you look closely you notice that her relationships with men all seem to stem from the massive issues she had with her father who she hated as a kid but then inexplicably (to her) sacrifices himself to save her. She lives in a house with no locks for a reason, because wll her barriers are broken and she feels so vulnerable all the time and wants a new father figure.
Meanwhile Auska when she is made to live there complains about there being no locks because the tragedies in her life have closed her off from everyone around her and she hates not having that net.
The show explores so many themes such as The ego / sense of self identity, What is happiness and Depression.
The religious overtones work well to give the whole thing a sense of mystery and general incomprehensiblity to the themes that we are looking at and how much they are rooted in each persons own individual beliefs.
I like eva, and it does have its share of production issues but I don't think anything that has been said in the OP is indicative of the shows quality but rather that the show wasn't for the OP at all.
The irony of this statement is that it actually was too deep for the people that say it.
The characters are some pretty complex personalities but you won't notice if you're there for a mecha vs monster anime.
For example Misato might seem like just a goofy girl but if you look closely you notice that her relationships with men all seem to stem from the massive issues she had with her father who she hated as a kid but then inexplicably (to her) sacrifices himself to save her. She lives in a house with no locks for a reason, because wll her barriers are broken and she feels so vulnerable all the time and wants a new father figure.
Meanwhile Auska when she is made to live there complains about there being no locks because the tragedies in her life have closed her off from everyone around her and she hates not having that net.
The show explores so many themes such as The ego / sense of self identity, What is happiness and Depression.
The religious overtones work well to give the whole thing a sense of mystery and general incomprehensiblity to the themes that we are looking at and how much they are rooted in each persons own individual beliefs.
I like eva, and it does have its share of production issues but I don't think anything that has been said in the OP is indicative of the shows quality but rather that the show wasn't for the OP at all.
The irony of this statement is that it actually was too deep for the people that say it.
"The Christian symbolism is just there to look cool" and "the show has no real meaning" are two very different things. The first one is true, the second is absolutely not. There is a lot going on under the surface of Evangelion, and the "Christian symbolism" is entirely irrelevant to all of it.
I wouldn't call Evangelion overrated either. It has the right amount of super-fans, the right amount of detractors. It will remain well-known, but isn't an automatic industry talking point like it was a few years back. It's influence is sweeping and broad, yet fairly subdued in actual good works. As a franchise its popular, but its size is sometimes overstated by its fans outside of Japan.
Probably its biggest issue is the stuff that has tried to emulate its style. Most just do a horrible job and you can tell why. Way too many copy-cats, though that's died down.
Probably its biggest issue is the stuff that has tried to emulate its style. Most just do a horrible job and you can tell why. Way too many copy-cats, though that's died down.
JadedWriter
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Nardo would've just raenganed the angels to death and eat some fucking ramen.
Oh shit a rational post on the characters. Please discuss Rei, Gendo and their relationship towards Shinji.
FelixOrion
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OniBarubary
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I don't mean to be an asshole, but are you serious?
He's unbelievable because at age...what the fuck ever he is, 13, he hasn't gotten over his daddy issues while his dad CONTINUES to fuck with him on the reg?
Dude, I could throw a rock into a crowd of 10 dudes over 30, have it bounce of 5 of them and hit all of the people who still have abandonment issues or childhood traumas that affect them to this day.
Of all the things that can fuck up a dude and shape the rest of his life and how he sees, interacts and shapes the world having daddy issues is one of the most common you'll find.
If you think it's tedious because you're waiting for him to "get over it" and he never does then...I don't think you were really watching the anime that hard.
Nah, OP is right, I couldn't understand WTF was going on, the ending was weird and I'm still trying to understand whats so good about Evangelion.
I'm in the overrated team too.
Sure all the explanations about symbolisms and whatnot made it better than what you get at face value but still nothing to write poems about.
I understand that in '95 it was something completely new but... meh... i really didn't liked it that much.
Sure all the explanations about symbolisms and whatnot made it better than what you get at face value but still nothing to write poems about.
I understand that in '95 it was something completely new but... meh... i really didn't liked it that much.
God Dayumm
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He is tedious because we don't need several minutes of almost every episode, and 2 full chapters watching his inner babbling. That's why EoE is superior, he still whines but there is focus on other characters and plots that make the story not feel like a drag.
Joffrey as a character is just the typical caricature of a villain yet he contributes so much more to the story than Shinji and makes it more thrilling overall.
Hellwarden
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This guy gets it.
M0nochromatic
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This happens to me sometimes as well. I'll see a movie or read a book, and it just dosen't click with me. At the same time, there's this huge contingent of people who adore said thing. Instead of acting defensively and dismissing them as children or idiots because I don't get it, I ask them what the art in question did in order to earn their respect of it.
NGE didn't click with me when I first watched it. It wasn't until I came back to it after reading and watching fan breakdowns and analysis of it that I was able to appreciate it for what it was, even if it was still a bit alien to me.
NGE didn't click with me when I first watched it. It wasn't until I came back to it after reading and watching fan breakdowns and analysis of it that I was able to appreciate it for what it was, even if it was still a bit alien to me.
Megalosaro
Banned
Shinji is a lot of things, but I would definitely not call him unbelievable.
I don't even think he's that whiney. Its definitely an overstatement of his character.
I don't even think he's that whiney. Its definitely an overstatement of his character.
Yup. If all you want in your stories are power fantasies, Evangelion isn't going to do it for you.
Is it the best anime of all time? Nah. But it's pretty damn good.
Joffrey is tedium to the core. He never changes, he never learns anything, his character never evolves, he's a spoiled monster the moment we meet him and he's a spoiled monster when he goes out and between then he's a spoiled monster. Now that is tedium if you ask me.
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