TheLostBigBoss
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Neon Genesis Evangelion AKA the worst anime ever
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FelixOrion
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Lmao
deadscreensky
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha
I'd say its a pretty good anime for those who like complex characters, mythology based storytelling, psychological questioning and/or emotionally impactful action.
But that's just me.
mcz117chief
Member
It's ok, I kind of liked it but there are much better animes out there.
I question the OP's judgement of entertainment based on that he is too lazy to remove derogatory language from someone else opinions he plagiarized.
If you can't form your own critique, positive or negative, in your own words, why are you posting? You failed to edit "whiny emo fag", that is still on you, not the original writer.
If you can't form your own critique, positive or negative, in your own words, why are you posting? You failed to edit "whiny emo fag", that is still on you, not the original writer.
God Dayumm
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A tedious character does not make a tedious story. The later part is my complaint about Shinji. Joffrey is shit but I never got bored reading the chapters where he appears. With Shinji you have to fast forward chunks of an episode to get through it
JadedWriter
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And Kamille gets the shit smacked out of him regularly for his behavior until he eventually falls into line. If you want a shit eating kid example from Zeta you got Katz. Further down the timeline you get Hathaway.
SenorArdilla
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I forgive it because it has Kaworu.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Nope
How about you rewrite the OP the reflect your own well reasoned opinions instead of doubling down on why someone else's post is up there.
I personally think how old are you is a valid point to bring up. Evengalion is important enough for you to consider the context of when this show was written and released and why a depression/anxiety spiral in a setting that would have been a teenage power/ sex fantasy is groundbreaking. You want him to "move on" but this is what the show is about.
What I want to know, since I kinda know how you feel now, is how you think the show would have been improved.
Hindenblewp
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I thought that was a girl's name, but you keep referencing a boy.
Once again gonna preface it's been a while since I saw the show
First of all, chill. It's just a Japanese cartoon, no need to get heated.
It's okay for fictional characters to have issues. I understand why Shinji has issues. The problem is that Anno made him so vulnerable that Shinji never truly tries to analyze his situation and what he means to the world. You can argue that this is realistic because there's a lot of teenagers who are miserable like that, but there are also plenty of teenagers who are smart enough to function despite going through a lot of issues.
And if he's going to let himself be defined for the entire show by his weaknesses, then I'd argue that he's not simply a flawed character, he's a weak character.
First of all, chill. It's just a Japanese cartoon, no need to get heated.
It's okay for fictional characters to have issues. I understand why Shinji has issues. The problem is that Anno made him so vulnerable that Shinji never truly tries to analyze his situation and what he means to the world. You can argue that this is realistic because there's a lot of teenagers who are miserable like that, but there are also plenty of teenagers who are smart enough to function despite going through a lot of issues.
And if he's going to let himself be defined for the entire show by his weaknesses, then I'd argue that he's not simply a flawed character, he's a weak character.
OP is pretty bold for saying Evangelion is garbage when is the anime that saves the industry back in the 90's
been waiting for so long to post this
and OP just look at this video, is Also Evangelion in a nutshell
been waiting for so long to post this
and OP just look at this video, is Also Evangelion in a nutshell
Sibersk Esto
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The entire show is about Shinji "getting over it".
Well now you're just starting to move goal posts. So he can be a tedious character and its ok because it wasn't boring to you but when Shinji does it, that's bad and it doesn't do anything for the story when it very well does but if you're fast forwarding through his parts how would you even know that?
That's the point. He is supposed to be a weak character surrounded by characters that are strong but aren't really in the end, everyone from Misato to Asuka all put on a big front but Shinji is the only one who is honest about it even if he doesn't do it on purpose.
It's not stupid at all. The entire point is that a kid's NOT the person you want to put the pressure to save the world on, and all those anime with hotshot kid anime pilots was weird and stupid. Asuka was barely competent because she was hiding the childhood trauma of discovering her mother's death. Shinji's also got more going on than that--he's ACTIVELY DESPISED BY HIS FATHER, who blames him for his mother's death. It's not "he wasn't there for me," it's "it's my fault mom died."
OP is pretty bold for saying Evangelion is garbage when is the anime that saves the industry back in the 90's
been waiting for so long to post this
and OP just look at this video, is Also Evangelion in a nutshell
Probably because it was the only show that tried to be different in a sea of mediocrity
So you understand why people don't like him then? Why people call him a whiny emo or whatever? He's the same character at the end as he is in the beginning of the show, only with moments of courage sprinkled in the middle.
Shinji:
Saves the world multiple times.
Fights specifically to protect the ones he cares for.
Continues to fight even when it causes him an insane amount of emotional and physical pain.
Tries his best to grow and be happy despite the fact his entire life is fucked and the only people he knows are most likely just as messed up as him.
After like the third episode, spends most of the rest of the series doing all this without much complaining until specific later events.
Saves the world multiple times.
Fights specifically to protect the ones he cares for.
Continues to fight even when it causes him an insane amount of emotional and physical pain.
Tries his best to grow and be happy despite the fact his entire life is fucked and the only people he knows are most likely just as messed up as him.
After like the third episode, spends most of the rest of the series doing all this without much complaining until specific later events.
Finaika
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Is that an Angel?
Nah he was a whiny emo fag.
Using this to point out good taste seems like a contradiction.
JadedWriter
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whiteninja
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I re watched this recently but I ended up skipping most of the exposition parts and only watched the fight scenes. The angel designs and the subsequent battles are still pretty fascinating.
Hindenblewp
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Finaika
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Thisss.
As much as I hate Rebuild 3, it got one thing right: taking Shinji's issues and converting them into him making wrong decisions. Wrong decisions are something interesting to watch. Wrong decisions make you invested in the character correcting them or alternatively being punished for wrong decisions. I can sympathize with the view that Shinji's non-action is a relateable consequence of depression, but that doesn't mean everyone will find it compelling to watch for hours.
JadedWriter
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Fucking thank you. For once I'm not the only person in an Eva thread that actually likes Rahxephon. Haruka was great character.
In Zeta everybody got their ass beat...even Bright...
plentyofmilhouse
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Username and avatar are probably a key indicator which side of the fence I'm on with Evangelion.
Everyone takes something different away from the show and I'm sorry your impressions were mostly negative. It's cool you stuck through to the end though and gave it a fair opportunity to entertain you.
The anime is the definitive version of the story, but the manga deviates at several significant points and features some adjusted and expanded characters. From your criticisms, you might enjoy the manga more.
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It's been mentioned already but yeah, RahXephon is great too. Comparisons are drawn between the two stories often and it does well with loads of aspects of Evangelion that are often criticised.
Everyone takes something different away from the show and I'm sorry your impressions were mostly negative. It's cool you stuck through to the end though and gave it a fair opportunity to entertain you.
The anime is the definitive version of the story, but the manga deviates at several significant points and features some adjusted and expanded characters. From your criticisms, you might enjoy the manga more.
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It's been mentioned already but yeah, RahXephon is great too. Comparisons are drawn between the two stories often and it does well with loads of aspects of Evangelion that are often criticised.
God Dayumm
Banned
What do Shinji's inner monologues contribute to the story? I'll take it one step further, what do Shinji's inner monologues contribute to his character development?
purseowner
Member
This right here.
I'm always surprised to see people praising this show so much. I found it really boring lol.
I may be reading this wrong (especially since I wasn't part of your conversation) but Shinji literally spends entire episodes sitting along and analysing himself and what he means to the people and world around him. It's one of the biggest reasons the pacing of the show is brought into question.
RahXephon IS better.
Killer Queen
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Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Another day, another person who doesn't get Eva.
He is analyzing himself and his own problems as well as reflecting on how this affects both himself and his relationship with others. He's constantly worried about Asuka accepting him or how to deal with Rei and the odd feelings he has for her and of course, how he can make his father show some love for him. For a show based on its interpersonal relationships between some very flawed and fucked up characters, that's pretty damn important.
Let me turn this around on you and ask how Joffrey just doing shitty things to people over and over again especially after what he did to Ned, does anything for his character or the story at large in the Game of Thrones world.
I'd also go as far as to say Anno designed Shinji to be disliked by the audience. The last line of EoE says it all imo.
I don't remember him doing any of that during his quiet alone time moments. Even if he did, I don't think he acted on anything he learned from those reflections.
I don't remember him doing any of that during his quiet alone time moments. Even if he did, I don't think he acted on anything he learned from those reflections.
I understand finding Shinji tedious even if I don't agree, but he is most definitely believable. Way, waaaaaaaay more than the usual anime protagonist. He has rock-bottom self-esteem and that alone explains all his actions perfectly. Add in abandonment issues with his dad and the need for external validation and he's the most well-rounded character in anime. To quote myself again
I thought that was common knowledge. Though Eva is interesting in its own way, RahXephon ties up its various story threads and central mystery into a much more satisfying conclusion.
Where to start
Complex Characters. Just because you have some sort of trauma doesn't make you complex. Fckin Shinji and the rest are well defined characters that basically stay the same from start to finish, they never evolve they never grown. You could apply the same exact description of Shinji in ep 1 through ep 25. They never surprise you, everyone is so fckin predictible. Unidimensional at best.
Mythology based. "Meh most people in my country aren't familiar with Christianity, me included." Anno 1994
Psychological questioning and/or emotionally impactful action. see complex characters.
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