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Neon Genesis Evangelion AKA the worst anime ever
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Perhaps, but I promise that Eva would be no where near as impossible for new viewers lol
Yes, depression is permanent for many, even with treatment.. I was dealing with it as a teenager and I'm still dealing with it as a 30 year old. Its actually a little insulting to even ask that but I'll take it you didn't realize that. I'm not using Shinji is depressed to state he's a good character but its a big part of his character and depression is not something you just get over because you had a personal revelation or you looked at yourself. In fact a lot of depressed people are always looking at themselves and over analyzing themselves trying to figure out "Whats wrong with me?" which fits incredibly well with what Shinji goes through and his mindset.
I'm out.
Edit: But before I actually make my leave, let me just say that claiming depression is permanent is doing a massive disservice not only to yourself but to others suffering from it. It can be incredibly tough, but it's completely doable. Using your personal situation as an anecdote/example is incredibly erroneous.
As someone who has pretty severe life long depression, it is. I can take meds that help me feel a bit better and therapy to learn how to cope, but it will always still be there, and there is no cure.
The show is showing how for some people like Shinji, there is no true recovery, just struggling to cope. And its a subject not often explored in anime, which makes Evangelion interesting.
Flying Toaster
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I love this show.
But there are some flaws no doubt about that. The hate the main characters get is understandable and I believe this is what the writer wanted. The show is as deep or as simple as you want it to be and I find the charm of the show in subtle things such as pen pen and awkward moments. Given the age and time of release the show is an apt in it's placement of the history of anime.
But there are some flaws no doubt about that. The hate the main characters get is understandable and I believe this is what the writer wanted. The show is as deep or as simple as you want it to be and I find the charm of the show in subtle things such as pen pen and awkward moments. Given the age and time of release the show is an apt in it's placement of the history of anime.
Modest Mauser
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You seem to be confusing "depressed" as a ephemeral mood with chronic major depressive disorder, which yes, people suffer and struggle with for their entire lives.
Baroquemantic
Member
I'm sorry that you have such bad taste, OP!
Yes it is. Clinical Depression is a life long struggle. Unless some miracle drug is invented in the near future, I'll be dealing with this shit for my entire life-time.
Girl and no, I do have an opinion on Eva but since I haven't seen it in a while I'm staying out of this whole debate.
Also if this isn't in insult
I don't know what to tell you. The guy has a different opinion than you and then you come in and claim he is somehow not smart enough to understand it and basically imply OP is stupid.
I'm not debating if Eva is good or not but you don't have to be an asshole in your argument.
JadedWriter
Member
I can see this being the case. I'm not an eva or Rahxephon die hard so I actually do just love both shows. I think Rahxephon has the cuter women, but I really do just like both shows and watch both for two very different meanings. I'm not going to watch Eva to see a successfully planned out romance for example, cause Eva, Eva's not about that life at all.
NESpowerhouse
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
Also, I love how in the movie, Utena and most of the main characters turn into cars, and it suddenly turns into an Initial D episode.
Please Dr. Noirulus, tell me, a life long sufferer of depression how I can learn to be happy and live care free like the rest of humanity? All those times at the therapist, those drugs I had to take, and all the other things I did to try and make myself "normal" must were obviously just bull shit. Can you regale me with your extensive knowledge on the subject and save me from myself? From your experience with curing depression what does a broken Shinji like myself have to do to get over it? I would really love to hear what you have to say!
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
You should probably read the rest of my post where I tell him "his critiques are not critiques" which is to clue you in that he straight up doesn't get the show. He doesn't like it, sure that's fine. But making bad arguments is where I have a problem.
OniBarubary
Banned
Don't worry, I'm the complete weirdo who thought the last 2 episodes of the show were fantastic.
Didn't you read? Your own anecdotes are worthless. So I guess his own advice can't be much better.
Kaji AF16
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I don´t believe it enters the discussion of "worst ever", even if it is slightly overrated. It is indeed much more complex than the typical mid-nineties anime.
I loved the EVA´s design (that purple, raging EVA-01 is timeless) and several characters (I even got my main gaming nickname because I supposedly looked like Ryoji Kaji in my late teens; before that, I didn´t know the series), but I thinks that ultimately the story was a victim of its own sophistication and couldn´t get a proper wrap up.
I didn´t like the new movies.
I loved the EVA´s design (that purple, raging EVA-01 is timeless) and several characters (I even got my main gaming nickname because I supposedly looked like Ryoji Kaji in my late teens; before that, I didn´t know the series), but I thinks that ultimately the story was a victim of its own sophistication and couldn´t get a proper wrap up.
I didn´t like the new movies.
It isn't permanent.
I was clinically depressed for four years. Actually it's hard to say when it started and ended. All I know is I was depressed. Medication and all. The many days spent lying in bed wondering why I can't enjoy anything, closing my eyes and hoping I just fade away because anything was too much of a bother... feeling out of touch with the world around me and the inability to see how selfish I was being... the inability to internalize that people did care that at worst they gave me space because they thought this is what I was asking of them... replaying memories, the good and the bad, wondering if I had done things differently if my life would be different but otherwise believing my life over... thoughts of suicide that were only mitigated by the fact that I didn't feel strongly enough about anything at all to actually go through with it.
Yeah no that ended years ago.
Chinese Cartoons
Banned
I think OP thought he was on 4chan.
Consider yourself both lucky and one of the rare few. I've been dealing with depression on and off again for years and it often rears its ugly head when I'm doing the best in life as if to rain on my parade. I've had no luck with drugs either as the often make me worse in other ways or I feel like a zombie at times.
OniBarubary
Banned
I am not even remotely surprised at that list.
OP (and anyone else who struggled with Evangelion) you should all check out RahXephon.
It's a complex story full of rich symbolic imagery that doesn't remain unexplained or confusing in important places, and serves a real role in the overall plot with a satisfying conclusion for every important plot point and more. Featuring a large cast of complex an very-memorable characters, topped with a lead, who is not only a complex human being, but also thoroughly like-able and never dull, and despite his young age (similar to Shinjis) behaves like a real adult in dealing with problems and goes on to have rich and full-filing relationships with his would-be girl-friends and even the male cast.
Most importantly, the show features stylized, but proper mechs (none of the magical biology stuff) and aside for male-lead and robot-combat/saving the world stuff, remains wholly original, unique and totally avoids borrowing from Evangelion.
It's a complex story full of rich symbolic imagery that doesn't remain unexplained or confusing in important places, and serves a real role in the overall plot with a satisfying conclusion for every important plot point and more. Featuring a large cast of complex an very-memorable characters, topped with a lead, who is not only a complex human being, but also thoroughly like-able and never dull, and despite his young age (similar to Shinjis) behaves like a real adult in dealing with problems and goes on to have rich and full-filing relationships with his would-be girl-friends and even the male cast.
Most importantly, the show features stylized, but proper mechs (none of the magical biology stuff) and aside for male-lead and robot-combat/saving the world stuff, remains wholly original, unique and totally avoids borrowing from Evangelion.
No nostalgia from me. I discovered it around the time Death Note was airing and everyone was fapping to it. Death Note was overhyped shit. Evangelion's a legitimately good anime.
The symbolism of Eva isn't all that strong, it's a show about characters.
However it doesn't end with the characters becoming happy, becoming good persons or their world suddenly being a happy place to live in.
If you need that kind of closure to like a show, you won't like Eva.
EGOMON
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Of course you didn't, it doesn't fit EVA crusade in here
It was more the insults being flung that I had an issue with, not the main point you were trying to make. It was getting to a point where every other post was some sort of snide remark towards OP ( or anyone else who didn't like Eva ). Your post was the on that stuck out to me at the time and I didn't really mean to single you out, sorry.
Have you tried Cognitive Therapy? Worked wonders for me, haven't had severe depression for a few years now.
Good for you, that is very fortunate. I've been clinically depressed my entire adult life, and don't see it ending. Depression for many is a condition that must be actively managed. Accepting this fact, that I will most likely always have these irrational thoughts and feelings, and will always have to deal with it, was one of the things that has actually helped me. Every single day is a struggle, where I am my worst enemy. But that's the last I'm speaking of the subject, this shit is very off-topic.
John Kowalski
Banned
worst thread of the decade
Nearly all legit criticism I've seen is always disregarded as: "You don't get it, man. It's too deep for you!"
This thread has been par of the course really. Eva is apparently the best anime ever and if you don't like it there is something wrong with you.
At least, that is how some of it's more... devout fans act like.
Sounds like Japanese rap.
I've tried everything and the only thing that has really "worked" is meditation. I go to a Zen Buddhist temple to meditate with the monks and also do it at home. One of the few things that does anything for me.
Berserking Guts
Member
I think it's a great anime, but man, that tone shift half way through is something else. End of Evangelion depressed the shit out of me. Thankfully I had RahXephon to fall back on.
OniBarubary
Banned
Yeah dude, you got me.
Or maybe it's just not very surprising that with the types of shows that you enjoy you wouldn't enjoy Eva.
Didn't even say the shows you listed were bad because they're not. But if you honestly can't see the correlation between the type of shows you like and watch and why that means a show like Eva isn't really in your wheelhouse? I dunno dude.
Maybe you should just say it wasn't for you and move on instead of saying it's shit.
Maybe if you're not capable of reading, sure. There have been plenty of posters who have described the aspects of the show that work and do not work, in this thread and many others.
When you explain yourself and the critical response is "lol too deep, whiny emo, get over depression" I'm not certain the dismissive bullshit is on the people who are explaining why Eva works' side.
Have you seen the opening post of the thread? There's legit critisism of Eva but that's not it.
The vast majority of the detractors argue on the level of "Shinji is whiny" and amount to being annoyed that the show doesn't take the path nearly all other action animes take were everyone becomes badasses and beats the big bad in the end.
If that's your preference that's fine, but it's really not what Eva is about, and that has nothing to do with "it's to deep for you".
darkwing-buck
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Some insight of Anno's mindset at the time. Gives you a good idea for what he was going for.
I don't know if it's better, but it's definitely in my top 10. Excellent show
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
How can you say you love her if you won't even let her eat you?
Hindenblewp
Banned
Ok all sarcasm aside (I didn't realize I was late to the party with Rahxephon mention hence my post above) the conclusion (in the animated show least) largely didn't work for me at all. The show waited until very late to introduce various side-and underlying threads, that even if they were resolved better didn't earn any of it, and most of the ending beats just rang hollow.tuffy said:
Besides the likeable main-character, great visuals and the interesting "starting" premise that didn't really get used for all that much, there wasn't much to like. Particularly with the rest of the cast being so completely forgettable.
Hey man, I wish you the best of luck. Depression sucks and having something to help fight it off can be a literal lifesaver. It took me a while but you'll be able to find something that works well.
There really wasn't the need to post anything else...
OP, you happen to really dislike something that an overwhelming majority of people really like?
Well, let me just reassure you OP, it doesn't mean you have shitty taste, but neither does it mean that people who do like it have shitty taste either.
Let me also reassure you that after 20 years of being dissected to death, No you have not understood something fundamental about EVA that was missed until now.
You haven't pieced together something hidden in the fabric of the story that was completely overviewed, or realized something about the characters everybody but you misunderstood until now.
You just didn't like this anime, and it's ok.
Extreme Hyperbole in the title of the thread renders your points pretty much useless though.
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