twentytwo22
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Sweet, God/HP would be cool! I'm Whitill.
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Sweet, God/HP would be cool! I'm Whitill.
Also check the trade sheet people, particularly if you are in the hard difficulty, a lot of stuff for free from those who are in VH/Ult and don't care about common rares/9*.
Error404SwagNotFound
Member
I'll have to get on the grind then since I'm only Level 25, but I'd be more than happy to find something for a swap.
chaobreaker
Member
I'm trying to understand the general flow of this game.
I've mostly gone by just going through the episode 1 zones with other players in normal and hard mode until we reach the boss. Seems like this is what everyone does at my level but then whats the point of the hunter guild quests or the principle quests?
Also, why does this game have 4 different difficulty levels? Seems that normal mode seems completly pointless to go through once you quickly reach level 20ish. I haven't even done Ruins yet because I just went from doing normal mode mines to hard mode forest. The loot game gets way better once you leave normal mode.
I've mostly gone by just going through the episode 1 zones with other players in normal and hard mode until we reach the boss. Seems like this is what everyone does at my level but then whats the point of the hunter guild quests or the principle quests?
Also, why does this game have 4 different difficulty levels? Seems that normal mode seems completly pointless to go through once you quickly reach level 20ish. I haven't even done Ruins yet because I just went from doing normal mode mines to hard mode forest. The loot game gets way better once you leave normal mode.
Well you get the flow pretty well actually.
Principal quests are more for story-purpose in short burst, and were introduced in BB who was the first PSO game always online (correct me if wrong). Before that you could play offline and enjoy the story (which is good) during long sessions.
Guild quests have different setups and pacing, and can be usefull for grabbing stuff (loot or rewards).
I enjoy doing them but I'm an exception
4 difficulty levels always been too much IMO. So right, normal or hard are quickly useless. You will spend time in VH, because Ultimate is really, really hard most of the time.
And even within a difficulty level, people often run Forest and Mines. Caves is boring, and Ruins can be a lot of work. That's for grinding. After a while, you get into the loot game like you said, and target what you need in the vast array of quests and setups you have.
Busta SMurk
Member
Anybody want to try the Luck Material based TTF with me later? I want to see if they are awared, and if they are, if they are easily farm-able. I need like 25 Luck Mats for my build + however many you need.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
4 difficulty levels makes sense at Vanilla EXP rates
Carrying on that question, how does episode II and IV play into things?
My brother and I just made it through all of episode I on normal (he'd never played it so we went through the Principal quests, which are pretty terrible usually) and then hopped into episode II normal at level 34-ish and were destroying everything and the loot was terrible.
I played episode IV way back when PSOBB originally came out but mostly forget it... how is it?
My brother and I just made it through all of episode I on normal (he'd never played it so we went through the Principal quests, which are pretty terrible usually) and then hopped into episode II normal at level 34-ish and were destroying everything and the loot was terrible.
I played episode IV way back when PSOBB originally came out but mostly forget it... how is it?
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
On normal:
VR Temple = Caves
VR Spaceship = Mines
Control Center = Ruins
Seabed = H Caves
This sort of carries on from difficulty to difficulty. Ult Seabed is probably the hardest area between Ep 1 and Ep 2, and the final boss of Ep 2 is pretty tough on Ult. Some people think Ep 4 Ult is harder than Seabed, but I tend to disagree. But to each their own.
I'm up for it tonight. I only have my ranger guy character, though.
Don't know how many I may want. At least some, preferably a dozen, and I'll be fully satisfied with 20
Crystalkoen
Member
I won't be online until 5:30-6 EDT, but I've a female character that I'd be interested in doing the test with.
bennywhatever
Member
Anyone know of good solo missions to get past the lvl30-40 slumps? I find the game gets quite dull during Hard. I'm so ready for VHard & Ult.
Zalusithix
Member
Finally past 50, so on to V. Hard!
Good job I'm not the kind of person who worries about keeping up with the Jones'
Pfft, I have two characters in the 20s. Keeping up? What's that? Perhaps once I get my mags straightened out and decide whether the RA or FO will be my main... Nah, I'll still be a slacker in levels. =P
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I was doing TTF forest and caves
bennywhatever
Member
Were you doing them solo?
ShadowSoldier89
Member
NCR Redslayer
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Okay, I'm gonna get back into PSO after I finish up some loose ends in valkirya chronicles. What bugs have been patched so far?
Zalusithix
Member
Has this new version been in testing live on his own server? Or are we going to end up running code that hasn't seen real testing yet? I get the impression that a fair amount of the server code has been rewritten.
Also:
Looks like we're going to have to go through the dance to get the JSON data again. =P
Yes, they've been running the code live on their server for a few weeks making continuous fixes/improvements.
Zalusithix
Member
That's fine then. If it wasn't I'd be a bit leery of implementing it right away. Granted we could always roll back if there were big problems - so long as we have a pre-update database backup that is. I know you have an automated backup, but I'm not sure if it keep multiple versions or just the latest.
Been keeping daily backups since the server started so everything is safe. The database is only a couple MBs when compressed so it's easy to store.
bennywhatever
Member
So the drop tables are updating to be a little more like original drop rates from Sega? Is that what I'm interpreting?
It's mainly the EP4 drops that are changed as the current ones are nothing like the original sega ones.
Crystalkoen
Member
So people were spitballing what those mobs should be dropping, and at what rates, or is it even further in that loot that SHOULD have been dropping was unavailable?
I was running Hard TTF solo last night, mid-30s FOnewearl. Took a little fenangling and skipping some mobs in Cave for speed, and I can't do Mines, but clearing through De Rol Le was pretty solid for a solo Force, ~20 minutes. Also gives me chances at the Talis weapon drop from Rollie-poo. Just had to be careful not to end up in a Hentai while on the boat, as a tentacle crit would 1-shot me.
Some old japanese PSO wiki had accurate drop tables from official BB and this is what the new EP4 drop table has been based off. I'm not familiar with EP4 stuff but you can see what the new tables will be here: http://ephinea.pioneer2.net/drops.php?secid=0
So the EP4 rare drop rates will be nerfed? We've been getting some high tier rates dropping in EP4 max attacks and I wondered if this was intended because stuff in EP4 are better than older episodes with a better drop rate %'s
Or is drop tables being adjusted so 1/200000 gets changed into average drop rates as other rares?
I'm confused
So the EP4 rare drop rates will be nerfed? We've been getting some high tier rates dropping in EP4 max attacks and I wondered if this was intended because stuff in EP4 are better than older episodes with a better drop rate %'s
Or is drop tables being adjusted so 1/200000 gets changed into average drop rates as other rares?
I'm confused
I haven't compared the tables but the EP4 drop tables we have currently were basically a "best guess" from the Teth developers.
Anyway, the new tables will just be our starting point. I'll be looking for feedback into adjusting the rates and possibly including previously unobtainable items.
I have very mixed feelings about this. On one hand, certain rares drop a lot easier, but only on 1 or 2 Section IDs. On the other, with the current tables, multiple Section IDs get the same rares, but at a worse rate. (I only looked at the specific things I'm trying to get, so take this with a grain of salt.)
Of course, this is a tricky topic. Rares should stay rare to a certain degree. As to where the line is at with drop rates...I trust N.A's judgment with this stuff. I like how rare enemy spawns were handled.
I was asking about how EP1-2 rares would be balanced with EP4 rares because a lot of the EP4 rares makes old rares obsolete and way easier to farm/hunt for.
Again, N.A has been great with things so far. I'm really into PSO just because it's PSO. I love everything about it, thanks again for making it happen
bennywhatever
Member
Oh SWEET the Rianov-5 is here! That's by far my favorite weapon in the whole game. Was bummed when I didn't see it in past drop tables.
Question - is Dangerous Deal with Black Paper a thing on this server? That's the quest that you exchange Photon Crystals in Ep4 to go fight tough guys for 10 minutes then get random rares.
Busta SMurk
Member
This is very true.
Also, I think we should experiment with the new tables for a bit, and maybe make adjustments as need. That's my opinion.
twentytwo22
Member
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Did anybody test if you can get a Luck Material on TTF yet? If not anybody with a female character willing to help me test it once I get home from work? I should be ready in about 70 minutes.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Yikes, can basically kiss Heaven Striker goodbye with this new table
Holy shit. That CAN'T be right. 0.0006%? That's about 1/166,667 on Whitill. For comparison, Sealed-J Sword is 0.0079%, which translates to about 1/12,658. That's more than 10x more rare than what most people consider to be the rarest weapon in the game, ha.
I think you mixed up Heaven Striker with Heaven Punisher. If you look at our current drop tables, Heaven Punisher is at .0006% (1/174762) on Whitill, which is the same with the drop tables that N.A linked.
Heaven Striker, however, will be more or less rare depending on how you look at it. As of right now, 5 Section IDs can obtain it from a common enemy at a low rate (.0684%). In the drop tables from the link Purplenum and Bluefull will have a much high chance of getting it from a Kondrieu (50%).
This is exactly the dilemma I was trying to present. On paper, it looks easy to get with a 50% droprate, however, that's not the case. EP4 ultimate ruins level monsters are a much tougher fight to deal with compared to EP1 ruins enemies
Add to the fact that Kondrieu is a rare form of the final boss with a 1/20 spawn rate, Only dedicated groups capable of dealing with EP4 ultimate could have a shot with Heaven Striker, and I think that's fair for the item
Feedback is what N/A is looking for, and it's a good way to calculate drop rate and difficulty together
bennywhatever
Member
Anyone interested in helping me with some Hard TTF runs tonight? I'll be on. Look for FOODFOOD.
Wow it was dead online when I was playing a few minutes ago only four people playing.
Anyway finally completed the single player missions!
If I am online let me know if you need an animal part converted. I will be happy to help out if I am not busy. Now to start leveling!
My name in game is Ziru.
Anyway finally completed the single player missions!
If I am online let me know if you need an animal part converted. I will be happy to help out if I am not busy. Now to start leveling!
My name in game is Ziru.
Busta SMurk
Member
Yeah, TOM from LEGO (haha, where's my invite?) and I tested it today. The quest was very meticulous and drawn out. We never actually manage to complete it, (TOM is a terrible lover; 1/10 btw). We did have some -small- luck with the Rappy Holiday quest though. Be warned that this quest will suck the living soul of you if you try to farm it for Luck Materials. (We did managed to get 3 though).
twentytwo22
Member
I guess that's where we differ; basically, your chance of getting ONE Heaven Striker, a decent weapon for a RA and really good 50% of the time for a RA with the right setup, is 1/40 Ultimate runs of Episode 4. And requires four high level players. That's just crazy. I'd much rather have a smaller chance of getting it from something else (the way it is now and was on Schthack).
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Previous Guides:
1-How to obtain:Kan'ei Tsuho,Lollipop, and Stealth Suit
2-Government Quests
The quest mention below can be done in either One Person or Normal Mode
How to obtain: Ranger Wall/Force Wall/Hunter Wall and other
* This quest can be done in any difficulty
* This Quest can be found under the Shops Section in Episode II
* For detail information on Ranger Wall Click Here
* For detail information on Force Wall Click Here
* For detail information on Haunter Wall Click Here
* For detail information on all of the other items you get by PD trading just click on the name
Final Quest:Gallon's Shop
Part A-Gallon's Shop
After you load the quest go inside the room to the left of the shops and you will see a counter, talk to the receptionist and you will be given the Option to transport to Gallon's Shop
*You can win Gallon Points by playing the mini games in 3 of the 4 machines in the room
Here is what you can do and get in this shop:
* Buying Disk Volumes (Music Disks), this disk change your Background Music, they can be bought with 30 Gallon Points or 10000 Maseta
Here are the Available Disks to buy:
Disk: Song Name:
Disk Vol. 1 Wedding Song
Disk Vol. 2 Daylight (Remix of Lobby Music)
Disk Vol. 3 Burning Rangers (Japanese)
Disk Vol. 6 Dreams Dreams (Children)
Disk Vol. 7 'Can Still See the Light' (Piano)
* You can also wrap items in a present which cost either 30 Gallon Points or 10000 Maseta
* Once you save between 300-310 Gallon points a Buy ??? option will appear and you will get a wall depending on what class you are
Ranger=Ranger Wall Force=Force Wall and Hunter=Hunter Wall
Part B-Paganini (PD trading)
If you have PDs (Photon Drops) in your inventory go down the lech and turn left to met Hopkins who he explains his father collects PDs
Here is a list of items you can get based on the Minimum amount of PDs in your inventory:
1 Photon Drop
Monofluid
Monomate
Add Slot
ASSIST BARRIER
RECOVERY BARRIER
20 Photon Drops
Magic Water
Parasitic Cell Type D
Berill Photon
RED BARRIER
BLUE BARRIER
YELLOW BARRIER
NEI'S CLAW (Replica)
Broom
Flower Cane
50 Photon Drops
Magic Rock "Heart Key"
Blue-Black Stone
Photon Booster
99 Photon Drops
Photon Sphere
**WARNING! Only have the MINIMUM Amount of PDs of what you want in your inventory! If you want an Add Slot make sure there's only 1 PD in your inventory and not more like 19 of them because he will TAKE ALL PDs in your inventory.
1-How to obtain:Kan'ei Tsuho,Lollipop, and Stealth Suit
2-Government Quests
The quest mention below can be done in either One Person or Normal Mode
How to obtain: Ranger Wall/Force Wall/Hunter Wall and other
* This quest can be done in any difficulty
* This Quest can be found under the Shops Section in Episode II
* For detail information on Ranger Wall Click Here
* For detail information on Force Wall Click Here
* For detail information on Haunter Wall Click Here
* For detail information on all of the other items you get by PD trading just click on the name
Final Quest:Gallon's Shop
Part A-Gallon's Shop
After you load the quest go inside the room to the left of the shops and you will see a counter, talk to the receptionist and you will be given the Option to transport to Gallon's Shop
once your transported you will notice 4 machines in the room and Gallon behind the counter
There are various item you can obtain here by using maseta or Gallon Points:
*You can win Gallon Points by playing the mini games in 3 of the 4 machines in the room
Here is what you can do and get in this shop:
* Buying Disk Volumes (Music Disks), this disk change your Background Music, they can be bought with 30 Gallon Points or 10000 Maseta
Here are the Available Disks to buy:
Disk: Song Name:
Disk Vol. 1 Wedding Song
Disk Vol. 2 Daylight (Remix of Lobby Music)
Disk Vol. 3 Burning Rangers (Japanese)
Disk Vol. 6 Dreams Dreams (Children)
Disk Vol. 7 'Can Still See the Light' (Piano)
* You can also wrap items in a present which cost either 30 Gallon Points or 10000 Maseta
* Once you save between 300-310 Gallon points a Buy ??? option will appear and you will get a wall depending on what class you are
Ranger=Ranger Wall Force=Force Wall and Hunter=Hunter Wall
Part B-Paganini (PD trading)
If you have PDs (Photon Drops) in your inventory go down the lech and turn left to met Hopkins who he explains his father collects PDs
once your transported you will meet Paganini Hopkin's father
once you agree to trade all of your PDs in your inventory he will start making offers based on the amount of PDs you have in your inventory
If he offers something you don't want simply decline and try again till you get what you want
Here is a list of items you can get based on the Minimum amount of PDs in your inventory:
1 Photon Drop
Monofluid
Monomate
Add Slot
ASSIST BARRIER
RECOVERY BARRIER
20 Photon Drops
Magic Water
Parasitic Cell Type D
Berill Photon
RED BARRIER
BLUE BARRIER
YELLOW BARRIER
NEI'S CLAW (Replica)
Broom
Flower Cane
50 Photon Drops
Magic Rock "Heart Key"
Blue-Black Stone
Photon Booster
99 Photon Drops
Photon Sphere
**WARNING! Only have the MINIMUM Amount of PDs of what you want in your inventory! If you want an Add Slot make sure there's only 1 PD in your inventory and not more like 19 of them because he will TAKE ALL PDs in your inventory.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
I always found this song entertaining especially since I understand the lyrics.
bennywhatever
Member
I just want to point out that the Ranger Wall you can get from Gallon's Shop is one of the best Ranger barriers out there. In my last go-around with PSO, I used it from lvl 40ish all the way to 120.