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[BigLee74]

God damn cheapskate haggis.

Thrifty, my friend, thrifty.

 

[reksveks]

MS is Gen3 thought.

It's Pcie4x2 but don't let the facts get in the way.

 

[MaulerX]

I hope I wont get banned or anything.
But the PS5 SSD is clearly the better option, since its faster and you can use it on PC as well.

It depends on what you mean by better.

You can choose from multiple vendors on PS5 and choose the best price/performance that meets your needs. That's a plus but...

The small form factor and hot-swappable (plug-and-play without turning the system off) nature of Xbox's SSD means you can move it around much easier (to a friends/families house or within your own home if you have multiple systems). - - - Having to do this on a PS5 is one hell of a chore.

 

[ethomaz]

It's Pcie4x2 but don't let the facts get in the way.

It is a PCIe 3.0 drive with modified controller to talk with PCIe 4.0 slot.

 

[reksveks]

It depends on what you mean by better.

You can choose from multiple vendors on PS5 and choose the best price/performance that meets your needs. That's a plus but...

The small form factor and hot-swappable (plug-and-play without turning the system off) nature of Xbox's SSD means you can move it around much easier (to a friends/families house or within your own home if you have multiple systems). - - - Having to do this on a PS5 is one hell of a chore.

Exactly I would definitely take a 512 and 256gb for the right price point, I love the memory card nature of it.

 

[Badlucktroll]

This shit is so expensive.

 

[DarkMage619]

$50 for 500 GB
$95 for 1 TB
$225 for 2 TB

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Do any of these drives offer the same functionality the Xbox drives offer? Hot swappability and portability for 2. Price is clearly higher but let's not act like it's a 1 one 1 comparison with a standard NVME drive. You pay less and get less functionality. Makes sense.

 

[Nikana]

Seems nuts to me at that price. Both of the storage solutions are not economical on either the Xbox or PS5. I dont see the value.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Do any of these drives offer the same functionality the Xbox drives offer? Hot swappability and portability for 2. Price is clearly higher but let's not act like it's a 1 one 1 comparison with a standard NVME drive. You pay less and get less functionality. Makes sense.

You aren't paying nearly twice the amount because of portability

 

[Little Chicken]

$400 for 4TB I wouldn't hesitate, but for 2TB it's a bit of an ask. We should've seen these prices coming with the new consoles I guess. The value is there when you consider how often it'll be used over the next 5 years.

 

[Topher]

It depends on what you mean by better.

You can choose from multiple vendors on PS5 and choose the best price/performance that meets your needs. That's a plus but...

The small form factor and hot-swappable (plug-and-play without turning the system off) nature of Xbox's SSD means you can move it around much easier (to a friends/families house or within your own home if you have multiple systems). - - - Having to do this on a PS5 is one hell of a chore.

The vast majority of people are going to install the drive and leave it. Being hot-swappable is going to be a convenience for a very small few.

Regardless, I'll always side with standard over proprietary.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Hahaha that 2TB is almost as much as a bloody Series X!!

 

[SomeGit]

2230 SSD are more expensive that ones you guys are listing, however 400$ is a big ask. 300$ should have been the price.

 

[Wooxsvan]

You said it was like the vita, you needed to buy a mem card with every system. Xbox doesn’t have that issue.

I agree the prices are high, but unlike the vita not every user has to deal with it. Also unlike the vita these cards drop in price all the time, the 1tb was been $179 many times.

This thread is about Storage and Xbox's solutions is Objectively higher priced for less performance.

 

[Three]

Microsoft doesn't set the price

They set the price for the license which they get a cut of. They create no competition by designing a proprietary drive and anybody who wants to sell that drive has to go through MS and pay a cut making the drive more expensive than the non proprietary drive the same manufacturer sells. MS gain hardware discounts on the actual inbuilt drives too by entering into agreements with seagate. The high price is by design not Seagate gouging but MS deciding to collect money or make deals from drives by making it proprietary.

 

[MaulerX]

The vast majority of people are going to install the drive and leave it. Being hot-swappable is going to be a convenience for a very small few.

Regardless, I'll always side with standard over proprietary.

In 2013 Sony made a video on how easy it is to share games.

Now in 2021 it's MS that's making it easier to share games (I just hand my friend my SSD so he doesn't have to download all those games).

 

[kyliethicc]

Do any of these drives offer the same functionality the Xbox drives offer? Hot swappability and portability for 2. Price is clearly higher but let's not act like it's a 1 one 1 comparison with a standard NVME drive. You pay less and get less functionality. Makes sense.

Option A
Spend $440 on two 1 TB proprietary Xbox cards and hot swap them.


Option B
Spend $225 on a 2 TB M.2 SSD.


With option B, you certainly pay less. We agree on that.

 

[Zathalus]

The reason the 2TB is so expensive is because of the form factor. I think it might actually be the first 2TB 2230 SSD on the market. 1TB 2230 drives usually go for around $300.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Absolutely ridiculous pricing. I understand it’s proprietary but at least make the prices reasonable. 512GB should be $99.

 

[Banjo64]

Would grab a 500gb one at £70 or less using Reward credit.

 

[MScarpa]

I said it in the Sony thread and I'll say it again here. The cost of these memory expansions are ridiculous!

 

[Riky]

Do any of these drives offer the same functionality the Xbox drives offer? Hot swappability and portability for 2. Price is clearly higher but let's not act like it's a 1 one 1 comparison with a standard NVME drive. You pay less and get less functionality. Makes sense.

Exactly the form factor and ease of use make this a different concept, plus guaranteed to match the internal performance.
Just being to move your games between consoles in seconds and even take them to other people's consoles is a big plus for me.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

$400 US = $500 CDN. No thanks.

The 1TB card here is still around $300 CDN. No thanks either.

 

[Epic Sax CEO]

This card format will make difficult to produce cheap high capacity cards, because it demands high capacity chips that are more expensive obviously.

 

[Topher]

In 2013 Sony made a video on how easy it is to share games.

Now in 2021 it's MS that's making it easier to share games (I just hand my friend my SSD so he doesn't have to download all those games).

That's fine, but what I said is still true. The vast majority are not going to remove the SSD from the console. It will serve as storage expansion and that is all. I don't see the need to embellish this feature as if it would justify the extra cost to most when it simply does not.

The reason the 2TB is so expensive is because of the form factor. I think it might actually be the first 2TB 2230 SSD on the market. 1TB 2230 drives usually go for around $300.

The reason it is so expensive is because it is a 2230 SSD with a proprietary controller stuck inside a CF Express housing and interface.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

In 2013 Sony made a video on how easy it is to share games.

Now in 2021 it's MS that's making it easier to share games (I just hand my friend my SSD so he doesn't have to download all those games).

"Hey bro can I have my $400 thumbdrive back?"

"Sorry bro fell out of my pocket"

 

[FrankWza]

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Exactly the form factor and ease of use make this a different concept, plus guaranteed to match the internal performance.
Just being to move your games between consoles in seconds and even take them to other people's consoles is a big plus for me.

who’s going to help you carry your VRR capable tv over if they don’t have one?

 

[ByWatterson]

Those prices are absurd when I can get 1TB on PS5 for less than $200. Xbox needs many more third party manufacturers.

 

[Topher]

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who’s going to help you carry your VRR capable tv over if they don’t have one?

Oh come on. Riky would never associate with such lowlifes.

 

[reksveks]

They set the price for the license which they get a cut of. They create no competition by designing a proprietary drive and anybody who wants to sell that drive has to go through MS and pay a cut making the drive more expensive than the non proprietary drive the same manufacturer sells. MS gain hardware discounts on the actual inbuilt drives too by entering into agreements with seagate. The high price is by design not Seagate gouging but MS deciding to collect money or make deals from drives by making it proprietary.

1) No one knows the cost of the license and how much of the final cost it represents

2) They created no competition when they made Seagate the exclusive providers of these drives not when they introduced a proprietary connector (see Apple and lightning). They like Apple definitely lessened competition.

3) The functions of a normal seagate isn't the same as the xbox seagate expansion drive, all cfexpress drives are more expensive than their non-cfexpress counterparts. Whether that premium is worth it is subjective and for 95% (imo) of the audience, it isn't.

My point is that Microsoft can't factually price gouge when they aren't setting the price, they can definitely set up a situation where prices are higher.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

I hope I wont get banned or anything.
But the PS5 SSD is clearly the better option, since its faster and you can use it on PC as well.

The only issue here is price but the ease of swapping out the cards is better compared to what needs to be done to swap SSD's in the PS5.

I know a lot of people that don't want to expand the storage on their PS5 because they fear breaking something and than not being able to get a replacement console. Than you also have to worry about the heatsink nonsense.

 

[DarkMage619]

You aren't paying nearly twice the amount because of portability

Price is the only knock against the drive. It still offers features other systems lack entirely.

Consoles exist due to convenience. Thus the more convenient memory option is the better one. And it’s why casual console owners are more likely to add memory to their Xbox than they ever will their PS5.

There is no question the Xbox storage solution is clearly the most console like. The biggest con is the price. It is nice not needing any tools to upgrade the storage and being able to take your games to your friends house.

 

[TheBomb]

Finally, but I will probably get on later on.

 

[FranXico]

4GB that was useless at the time vs 1tb that’s will last for years…

Pulling at straws now huh?

Are you comparing Vita game sizes to the sizes of games made for a 2020 console?

Who's pulling at straws?

 

[Kacho]

The only issue here is price but the ease of swapping out the cards is better compared to what needs to be done to swap SSD's in the PS5.

When the console refreshes come, being able to quickly swap the storage card from one device to another will be really nice. I'd hate to have to spend time taking about the old system to get the SSD out, only to turn around and do the same thing on the new one. What a pain in the ass.

Prices will come down over time, but it's definitely a tough sell atm.

 

[Topher]

Consoles exist due to convenience. Thus the more convenient memory option is the better one. And it’s why casual console owners are more likely to add memory to their Xbox than they ever will their PS5.

Better is subjective. I guess some folks would rather pay a bit more money rather than having to handle a screwdriver, but frankly, I seriously doubt that. Most casuals are not going to add storage to either.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Having multiple of both new consoles I way prefer the MS system of SSD its super easy swapping the drive into another console

This relationship with Seagate needs to end and let others manufacture this drive and get pricing down

 

[ZywyPL]

400$ is a lot, but then again, I wasn't sure we wil ever get a 2TB expansion card given it's a 2230 format, so just a single memory module. Will definitely get it somewhere next year.

 

[Warnen]

This thread is about Storage and Xbox's solutions is Objectively higher priced for less performance.

The thread was announcing the 2tb/512gb version not comparing the system, warriors did that. Xbox solutions has features absent from the competitors.

 

[DeepEnigma]

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who’s going to help you carry your VRR capable tv over if they don’t have one?

 

[RiccochetJ]

Will other third parties eventually be able to make these things or is it fully exclusive to Seagate? We need some competition up in here!

Until then I'll just continue to swap games to my external 5TB mechanical drive when I don't plan on playing them anytime soon.

 

[Neo_game]

The only benefit of doubt one can say is that it is very dummy/stupid proof. Surely they are going to get rid of this feature in next console. Common sense should prevail unless they think their target audience have never seen a screwdriver in their life.

 

[Draugoth]

399$ for a 2TB SSD

Xbox knew what they were doing when they made these storage expansions the only way to upgrade

 

[Clear]

And this is why the Series S isn't worth the money. Seriously, buy Series X if you want an Xbox.

 

[Topher]

And this is why the Series S isn't worth the money. Seriously, buy Series X if you want an Xbox.

This is the exact reason I returned my XSS and waited for XSX to become available.

 

[Three]

1) No one knows the cost of the license and how much of the final cost it represents

2) They created no competition when they made Seagate the exclusive providers of these drives not when they introduced a proprietary connector (see Apple and lightning). They like Apple definitely lessened competition.

3) The functions of a normal seagate isn't the same as the xbox seagate expansion drive, all cfexpress drives are more expensive than their non-cfexpress counterparts. Whether that premium is worth it is subjective and for 95% (imo) of the audience, it isn't.

My point is that Microsoft can't factually price gouge when they aren't setting the price, they can definitely set up a situation where prices are higher.

1) So why do you assume the opposite if nobody knows the cut?

2) They can price gouge by setting the license cost which seagate has to cover. And why do you think they made seagate the exclusive provider? What benefit do they get from such an agreement? Better prices for the inbuilt one probably or they agreed together on how they will make money from it. The proprietary connector is the soul and primary reason for no competition. If it wasn't proprietary then there is no way for MS to dictate who can manufacture a drive for it.

3) are you trying to suggest that the proprietary drives are somehow more expensive to manufacture because of the connector? Because they are not and they use cheap 2.4Gb/s rated memory and controllers.

 

[dem]

These drives are absurdly expensive..
This was the worst move MS did with the Series console.


If they just let you stick a regular NVME drive... which is all the Series X has in the first place.. in you could get 1TB for like $120 CAD.

This shit is $280 in Canada.

Get fucked

 

[DarkMage619]

And this is why the Series S isn't worth the money. Seriously, buy Series X if you want an Xbox.

I'm sorry what does an the most affordable current generation console have to do with this topic at all? You aren't getting better gaming performance for $300 anywhere else.

 

[Magic Carpet]

These things need some bling. Lights, skins, funky shapes or at least an engraving signed by Phil Spencer. Now would you pay 400 bucks?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm sorry what does an the most affordable current generation console have to do with this topic at all? You aren't getting better gaming performance for $300 anywhere else.

Is this an ad?