Sho_Nuff82
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Brutal. I guess there were consequences to the short shooting schedule. Cutting an entire setpiece from a superhero film is like Avi Arad levels of fuckery.
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Brutal. I guess there were consequences to the short shooting schedule. Cutting an entire setpiece from a superhero film is like Avi Arad levels of fuckery.
I'm gonna guess that the cut scene was with Thing throwing that tank. Oh well, at least we have gifs.
The Broken Ska Record
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If this film does bomb both financially and critically then the damage done to the Fantastic Four IP/brand would be such that Disney wouldn't really see the value in trying to 'buy back' the theatrical rights from Fox. And if Fox don't want to make a sequel (or yet another pseudo reboot) they could potentially just stick the F4 actors in a larger "Fox does Marvel" event film given how flexible their sequel options probably are.
I simply don't see any situation (in the short term at least) where this film's performance results in Fox and Marvel coming to some kind of arrangement with the Fantastic Four. Fox is a very difficult place to do business and, unlike Sony Pictures, F4 isn't all they have in their franchise cupboard.
Could an apathetic Fox let the clock run out on their rights to the F4 much like they did with Daredevil? Perhaps. But given how Disney are positioning Inhumans as a replacement in every way for the X-Men I don't see them looking to play nice with Fox anytime soon.
I seriously doubt they would let the clock run out on FF. Given that the series has a history with just throwing shit out to keep the license, Fox is going to keep it for sure.
As for playing nice, ha ha no. Fox is too headstrong to play nice with Marvel. Sony they are not.
But at that point, nobody's gonna trust Fox with the F4 & putting out another movie would basically be bleeding money (even though it would secure the rights).
While I can see that happening at some point Fox has to realise that there's no use in continually rebooting something like the F4 every few years in the hope that it will become a big franchise for them at some point.
It's either going to hit for them or it isn't. The X-Men films are Fox's superhero cornerstone so I'm not sure that potentially 'cutting loose' the F4 theatrical rights given how Marvel have all but buried the IP by cancelling the comics and merch etc would really be that big of a blow.
Exactly. Assuming the movie really is this bad, the F4 have nowhere to go but down in Fox's hands.
The Broken Ska Record
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They could easily use the X-Men franchise to relaunch FF and give it that boost if they need to.
But I agree it's pointless to keep just pumping out shit, but Fox is going to do what they feel works best for their movies.
darkhunger
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No one trusted Fox before this... Everyone involved in this movie has commented on how negative fans had been throughout the process. They tried their best to make this a good film by hiring some great talent. And if this still fails I definitely think they'll give up.
Doing a Sony-ish deal would probably be the best for them at this point but I doubt Marvel would even go for that.
At least with this movie there was a glimmer of hope thanks to the cast, writer, & director that they brought in. But yeah, if this movie really is this bad, I can't see Marvel going for a Sony-esque deal. It'd either be Marvel gets the F4 outright or let them rot in Fox's hands.
Sho_Nuff82
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It's just so strange to see that the same company that wrote Ian McKellan/Fassbender Magneto (and even gave us the inspired choice of Kevin Bacon as Shaw) still doesn't demand that people write or cast Doom properly. They have a handful of GOAT villains on their roster and just continually squander one of them.
ScreenSplitter
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It comes to the point where you have to wonder how long Fox will hold onto a clearly toxic, unproved property just to spite Marvel's success.
Callibretto
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They must be salty to see Daredevil go back to Marvel and had a pretty big success in Netflix.
darkhunger
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That wasn't their goal though. I mean they clearly tried with this one in terms of hiring the talent needed to make this a success... And they were also boosted by the recent revival of X-Men. But with most of fandom eager to see them fail they really never had a chance, they needed to hit a home run with this one like they did Days of Future Past, and it looks like they didn't achieve that.
Regardless of all that you can't blame a company for trying to hold on to their IP. Whether it will continue to be useful to Fox is the real question.
The Broken Ska Record
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Exactly. And the thing is that Doom could be done easily and with a great actor, it would elevate it immensely.
This is what baffles me the most. The same studio that did Magneto justice continually fucks up Doom.
You forgot Kang & Annihilus.
Shit, them too? Damn
Exactly. So many great villains & cosmic characters are tied up with the F4 rights. And judging by the GAF impressions, it looks like their potential would most likely be squandered.
Callibretto
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I think they need to stop trying to do origin story with fantastic 4 or try to link Dr Doom origin with F4 origin.
The story that can come out of that origin seems pretty limited. They should totally give Doom the same treatment as Magneto, had a small stand alone scene in the past that explain what make Doom interesting then move to the present with Doom already a formidable foes. Not someone who just got power and started using them for a couple of days.
Callibretto
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I still can't believe Marvel manage to do celestial without it coming off really cheesy.You mean you didn't like this Galactus?
*shudders*
darkhunger
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Marvel already owns the Skrulls, just not the SuperSkrull.
Pretty sure they have Kang & Annihilus too.
If it's anything like what Marvel did with the Celestials, sign me the fuck up.
Preferably not this.You mean you didn't like this Galactus?
*shudders*
That's going to be a pretty cool low key IMAX showing, then. (Sincerely.)
When I first saw Knowhere in GotG, I was confused why Galactus head was floating in space
This wasn't even the IMAX showing. They didn't have an IMAX showing from what I saw, but I can double-check.
EDIT: Just checked, there isn't an IMAX showing.
Oh god. I hope my theater doesn't have that. My eyes are rolling already. :|
Deadpool is indeed cringeworthy bad everytime I see something from it.
Though to be fair, Josh Trank had a decent track record going into this movie, & the cast they got (although some may have not fit their roles as well as others) was a great group of actors. It's just a shame that such potential is apparently being squandered.
Oh, gotcha. Thanks, sorry, was confused.
For real. I'm confused as to how I ever liked the comic. I hope it was cleverer than the SDCC footage was.
Agreed. The track record of the director and actors is very good. Plenty good. For whatever reason it's extraordinarily difficult to make a good FF (and, similarly, Superman) movie. Same with comics. I think it just comes down to the earnest "antiquity" of the premises.
This. Doom is one of the greatest super villains in comic book history for a reason. If Fox can get Magneto right, I don't get why they can't get Doom right.
Spike Spiegel
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Years ago when this movie came out I had the notion that they could've extended this sequence out, revealing that as Surfer flew further into the cosmic cloud you would begin to see that it was just smoke and mirrors to disguise Galactus' real form and the ship. Sort of a "man behind the curtain," Wizard of Oz moment.You mean you didn't like this Galactus?
*shudders*
He literally said everything wrong from the start. He wanted a more realistic take, and even mentioned that he was going for a Cronenberg style. Cronenberg and the Fantastic Four go together like peanut butter and vomit.
A producer with half an ounce of sense would have kicked him out the door after hearing his pitch. Track record or no, it was clear he was the wrong man for the job.
E the Shaggy
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But Doom as a badass dictator Iron Man with sorcerer abilities isn't relatable! The kids love Tumblr! We need something in our movie that's like Gamer Gate because that's big with the kids!
Having someone with the last name Doom is stupid and dumb, make him have a real name that's not dumb, like Doomshekivchdtke but he's Doom for short on the internet. Yeah, that'll get em on our side!
I like that the ending was basically "Yeah, Silver Surfer could have kicked Galactus' ass at any point in time apparently. It was just that simple!"
PhoncipleBone
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Because they haven't put someone with half the talent of Bryan Singer in charge of an FF film yet.
Haha, I was about to post this exact same thing.
I mean, there have been weirder matches before. But I do agree on the idea that the pitch mentioned doesn't really go with the Fantastic Four that we know & love from the comics.
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Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Josh Trank & Fox were thinking.
That makes sense. Though Josh Trank did show promise going into this movie, so he had the potential for such talent.
It's not the FF as a team that Marvel/Disney wants, but the other characters associated with them that Fox owns (Dr. Doom, Galactus, Kang, Silver Surfer, Annihilus, Super Skrulls, etc). As stated earlier, Marvel attempted to give Fox an extension for them to make a Daredevil movie in exchange for those characters, but they refused. The MCU has been criticized for lackluster villains, getting Doom, Kang and Galactus back would address that problem. Also, the cosmic bent of those FF characters is a perfect fit for the MCU.
Do you really think Fox wants to associate the X-Men films with a bomb like the FF just to screw Marvel?
being relatable is overrated
The problem with MCU villains is how they're written, not their names. Using Doom and Galactus isn't a "good villain confirmed!" guarantee.
Nah. It's an adaptation. He could have told an FF story in the vein of Ultimate FF or an Elseworlds kinda tale with the same core and heart to it that is inherent to the FF. I don't know if anyone would complain about an Unstable Molecules adaptation. I mean. I guess tons of people would complain. But it would probably be a very well reviewed film.
To be fair the only villains that are on Doom and G's level is Loki.
Or they could hire someone who actually understands and appreciates the property and is willing to make an adaptation that includes the "Fantastic" along with the Four.
So far The Incredibles is the closest we have to an actual FF film, which is incredibly sad.
The sadder thing is that you aren't wrong. Granted, The Incredibles is a fantastic movie, but it's more sad that, like you said, Fox has yet to come anywhere close to The Incredibles in tone & quality with the F4.
Isn't that Mark millar's job at Fox?
http://screenrant.com/x-men-fantastic-four-movies-fox-mark-millar/
That's the problem, though. The Incredibles is a cartoon (so the cheeseball factor is much easier to pull off) and FF is live action. The Incredibles exists as a riff on FF. If it just *was* FF, it would have less pathos and depth to it, because unlike, say, Spider-Man, FF is generally an (antiquated) premise with less inherent depth to it. In the sense that people can tell wonderful, fun, compelling stories about the FF as a family, but it's tough to pull off the conflict when the only real internal conflict is about Ben's appearance and Reed trying to fix it. There's not a lot of pathos to engage in with the other character dynamics, at least not if you want to stick with the source material. And it's hard not to have it be too cheesy when live action with such an earnest and generally happy premise and group of characters. They get the powers. One feels understandably awful about his appearance. The group is functional and happy. It's not an easy thing to adapt.
Messypandas
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When are the reviews dropping? Bit dissapointed if this sucks again, not been a very good run for CBM's this year. Does anyone have any good word on the soundtrack?
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