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[Doom85]

See, now I know who you are. You’re Peele in this skit. Which brings me comfort knowing one day you’ll pull your bullshit IRL and someone who isn’t in the mood for your childish behavior will grab your face and tell you exactly what you are and you’ll run away screaming. Hopefully you’ll realize being a troll isn’t much of a personality and grow from the experience.

”I‘ll tell you how I really feel. Listen, I really feel like you’re an asshole who has nothing interesting to say!” - Keegan

Remove the “asshole” bit, and yeah, that’s how I feel about you. You’re boring, predictable, and contributed nothing to the conversation. I know you’re going to respond with the exact same shtick like the predictable troll you are, and I’m going to ignore you so the rest of us people who do have interesting things to say can continue discussing the movie.

 

[DeafTourette]

See, now I know who you are. You’re Peele in this skit. Which brings me comfort knowing one day you’ll pull your bullshit IRL and someone who isn’t in the mood for your childish behavior will grab your face and tell you exactly what you are and you’ll run away screaming. Hopefully you’ll realize being a troll isn’t much of a personality and grow from the experience.

”I‘ll tell you how I really feel. Listen, I really feel like you’re an asshole who has nothing interesting to say!” - Keegan

Remove the “asshole” bit, and yeah, that’s how I feel about you. You’re boring, predictable, and contributed nothing to the conversation. I know you’re going to respond with the exact same shtick like the predictable troll you are, and I’m going to ignore you so the rest of us people who do have interesting things to say can continue discussing the movie.

I put that low-level troll on Ignore. I lost brain cells trying to have actual conversations with him/her.

Anyway, about the movie... What do you think they'll do with the end-credits scene going forward?

Spoiler

like will they age him up? Or will they just pull another from the Multiverse? [\spoiler]

 

[Doom85]

I put that low-level troll on Ignore. I lost brain cells trying to have actual conversations with him/her.

Anyway, about the movie... What do you think they'll do with the end-credits scene going forward?

Spoiler

like will they age him up? Or will they just pull another from the Multiverse? [\spoiler]

Spoiler

I think it’s just to reassure the audience that Tchalla’s family lineage will live on. I mean, Shuri could end up with someone and have a kid, but who knows? But yeah, I think Shuri will remain BP for the time being. Heck, by having M‘Baku presumably take the role of king, it frees up her time more so she might even end up getting more involved with the Avengers and such.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

See, now I know who you are. You’re Peele in this skit. Which brings me comfort knowing one day you’ll pull your bullshit IRL and someone who isn’t in the mood for your childish behavior will grab your face and tell you exactly what you are and you’ll run away screaming. Hopefully you’ll realize being a troll isn’t much of a personality and grow from the experience.

”I‘ll tell you how I really feel. Listen, I really feel like you’re an asshole who has nothing interesting to say!” - Keegan

Remove the “asshole” bit, and yeah, that’s how I feel about you. You’re boring, predictable, and contributed nothing to the conversation. I know you’re going to respond with the exact same shtick like the predictable troll you are, and I’m going to ignore you so the rest of us people who do have interesting things to say can continue discussing the movie.

Seek some meds, kiddo.

 

[strange headache]

Wow, the insults are just getting some severe. Anyone who knows the forum rules pretty well know at what point personal attacks warrant a report? Asking for a friend.

And you keep responding to each one. And I’d rather be “triggered” (that’s hilarious coming from the person whining that Shuri and Okoye risked everything to save someone but DARED to call him something he took no offense towards) than a broken record who can’t think of anything new to say after multiple posts. You just keep spamming that repeat button praying for a different outcome. It’s cute really.

So not only afraid of fancy words, but also a cry home to mommy attitude when things don't go your way. Nice!

You were the one trying to one up me for using a regular word... maybe consider your own behavior before going on another rant.

 

[DeafTourette]

Spoiler

I think it’s just to reassure the audience that Tchalla’s family lineage will live on. I mean, Shuri could end up with someone and have a kid, but who knows? But yeah, I think Shuri will remain BP for the time being. Heck, by having M‘Baku presumably take the role of king, it frees up her time more so she might even end up getting more involved with the Avengers and such.

I sort of feel we were robbed...

Spoiler

Shuri confirmed that T'Challa was also a scientist... That's directly from the comics yet we didn't get a chance to see his brilliant mind in any of the movies he was in! It's like he was portrayed as a normal person but not as a brilliant mind who could also kick ass... Like in the comics. As a black man with little black nephews, it would have been cool for them to see that being black and male AND smart is COOL! Someone who isn't that close to them (like me, the nerd of the family) would have a bigger impact on them. Like Carl Sagan did for me .. and Geordi LaForge... And a Man called Hawk... And ... Well, my options were limited back then. LoL [\spoiler]

 

[kuncol02]

The only thing I'm addressing is that the tribe didn't advance in only 100 years. Namor lead the tribe since the 16th century. They've had over 400 years to advance thanks to their own deposit of vibranium.

And when his mother died, and he went to land to bury her guys who were with him already had masks.

 

[BadBurger]

See, now I know who you are. You’re Peele in this skit. Which brings me comfort knowing one day you’ll pull your bullshit IRL and someone who isn’t in the mood for your childish behavior will grab your face and tell you exactly what you are and you’ll run away screaming. Hopefully you’ll realize being a troll isn’t much of a personality and grow from the experience.

”I‘ll tell you how I really feel. Listen, I really feel like you’re an asshole who has nothing interesting to say!” - Keegan

Remove the “asshole” bit, and yeah, that’s how I feel about you. You’re boring, predictable, and contributed nothing to the conversation. I know you’re going to respond with the exact same shtick like the predictable troll you are, and I’m going to ignore you so the rest of us people who do have interesting things to say can continue discussing the movie.

Damn, that Key and Peele skit really does entirely exemplify the small number of low-level trolls we still have antagonizing others in most movie and TV threads.

Anyways, I only saw about 30 minutes because the actual power failed at my local theater while watching it, lol. First time for everything. So I'll catch it this weekend or the next I suppose. Those first 30 minutes were good though.

 

[trikster40]

Ms Marvel is the first MCU Mutant. Doesn’t matter if you didn’t watch or like the show, that’s the facts.

Didn’t say Namor was the first MCU mutant, I said it was the first time the word “mutant” was said in the MCU. I liked Ms Marvel, I was just trying to say that the only ramifications of BP2 was they finally said the actual word.

 

[ManaByte]

Didn’t say Namor was the first MCU mutant, I said it was the first time the word “mutant” was said in the MCU. I liked Ms Marvel, I was just trying to say that the only ramifications of BP2 was they finally said the actual word.

“Mutation” was just as banned as “Mutant” while Fox has X-Men.

 

[Doom85]

Damn, that Key and Peele skit really does entirely exemplify the small number of low-level trolls we still have antagonizing others in most movie and TV threads.

Anyways, I only saw about 30 minutes because the actual power failed at my local theater while watching it, lol. First time for everything. So I'll catch it this weekend or the next I suppose. Those first 30 minutes were good though.

Oh man, the one time the power failed was when I saw the movie Bad Times at the El Royale (love this film, I feel it needs more love), right in the middle of the climax, and Chris Hemsworth had his gun pointed at someone who couldn’t move and was about to fire and the screen went dark instantly. I was so upset, had to wait until the following day to go see it again to find out what happened, but I loved the whole film so I wasn’t frustrated rewatching most of the film I did see already (I could have done the rewatch at a different theater that night, but I was also seeing Halloween 2018 so I went to go see that and saved the Bad Times rewatch for the following day).

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Watched the review yesterday. Looks like there are some positives, though outweighed by the negatives.

 

[trikster40]

“Mutation” was just as banned as “Mutant” while Fox has X-Men.

I know Marvel couldn't go into that territory. Again, first time someone outright said "Hey, I'm a MUTANT." Heck, Bruce Banner has a mutation in his genes that created the Hulk when exposed to the gamma radiation, but that doesn't make him a mutant.

At this point, it's becoming semantics Don't really want to get into a tit for tat with ya, I love all your movie threads/posts!

 

[Azurro]

You're full of crap.

Hes not fat at all. He doesn't even look that much different than the guy you posted in teems of distribution. Hes obviously got a bigger build structure though. Much more filled out and larger chest.

Absolutely looks convincing as a swimmer build.

You saying this is fat is just insecurity. You used a low res pic from when hes in motion and hunched over to try and make it seem like you had a legit stance, when there are plenty th of clear images of his physique. Honestly kinda pathetic.

This "racism of low expectations" is complete nonsense to try and "blame" audiences for his casting or for not rioting over it like you are.... or something, honestly your whole angle doesn't make much sense. Regardless he went above and beyond in his performance and is one of the best parts of the movie.

They casted an actor before a bodybuilder. He doesn't look like MBJ, but he got the job done.

You know that's CGI, right? Marvel used that before, for example they CGI'd Thor's naked scene in the last movie. That shot of him walking on the beach was his real physique, a guy that lifted for a few months but didn't bother to modify his diet, which results in a bulky, flabby physique with some muscles showing through. The dude is fat and unprofessional, and it was accepted at Marvel because of racism of low expectations.

You, personally, I think you are just a person with no criteria, no rational thinking and you have an irrational love for these products. I assume a big part of your personality is tied to these products, hence why you can't see the flaws, because criticising this MCU product means criticising your personality.

 

[Toons]

You know that's CGI, right? Marvel used that before, for example they CGI'd Thor's naked scene in the last movie. That shot of him walking on the beach was his real physique, a guy that lifted for a few months but didn't bother to modify his diet, which results in a bulky, flabby physique with some muscles showing through. The dude is fat and unprofessional, and you accept it because of racism of low expectations.

You're deluded and projecting. That isnt cgi lmfao. If that was cg they would've used cg on the beach scene as well.

And thors actor is in great shape, they only used CG so he wouldn't have to get actually naked while shooting. They have not ever cg'd abs onto a person lol.

There is no racism of low expectations, there is plenty of racism in projecting ones low esteem onto an actor of color though, and denigrating his achievements.

Sebaatian stan had the similar built in falcon and winter soldier and hes white.. Theyve gone on record to sat they arebt as concerned about dudes having unrealistic builds to perform especially if late.

 

[Azurro]

You're deluded and projecting. That isnt cgi lmfao. If that was cg they would've used cg on the beach scene as well.

And thors actor is in great shape, they only used CG so he wouldn't have to get actually naked while shooting. They have not ever cg'd abs onto a person lol.

There is no racism of low expectations, there is plenty of racism in projecting ones low esteem onto an actor of color though, and denigrating his achievements.

Sebaatian stan had the similar built in falcon and winter soldier and hes white.. Theyve gone on record to sat they arebt as concerned about dudes having unrealistic builds to perform especially if late.

That's not his physique, his physique is the one of him walking on the beach. That's not the same body, body fat percentage is much lower in that close up than he has when walking down the beach, where he basically has a dadbod. His pectoral muscles have a different shape, his abdominal muscles actually appear in the close up while he has too much fat in the beach shot. His deltoids look different. It's CGI.

His lack of professionalism was accepted institutionally at Marvel because of racism of low expectations. It doesn't surprise me, as it is a very accepted form of racism in the US and Canada. Imagine, they went all the way to hire people to CGI his body rather than hold an actor to expectations, it's incredible, isn't it? Your lack of critical thinking is not unexpected, your personality so tied to these products that you get offended by people pointing out the reality. Are you part of a victim group or something similar?

 

[Toons]

And here's an image of the actor before they even started shooting. The abnormal ab structure is clearly present, right under the right pectoral, irs clearly using his real physique. Calling it cg is insecure af

 

[Azurro]

And here's an image of the actor before they even started shooting. The abnormal ab structure is clearly present, right under the right pectoral, irs clearly using his real physique. Calling it cg is insecure af

We know he's a flabby guy because we can see it in the movie, sorry, the product. Why did he suddenly gained an extra 5-10% body fat in that beach shot? It's CGI. They used it in Thor when even Hemsworth incredible physique was not enough for the shot, so they used CGI to make it look how they wanted, and you think they won't use it here to replace this flabby guy's body? Why is your personality so tied to this apparently mediocre product? Are you part of a victim group or are you a fanboy? Because you display a remarkable lack of critical thinking.

 

[Trunx81]

Just saw it. Movie was … ok-ish. Had tons of lengths and could have been cut to 90mins easily. Still not convinced why Namor attacked and killed the queen (and in the end it’s ok for everyone). Many plotholes. And I just didn’t feel it.

What I liked:
Namor, especially while living in Yucatán

What I didn’t like:
Floating people under water, pretending to be born into it and still looking like normal people trying to hold their breath. And how sound of speech travels under water like on the surface.

 

[jdtemp]

When you need the avengers but can only afford to pay 70% of their usual rate

 

[Toons]

We know he's a flabby guy because we can see it in the movie, sorry, the product. Why did he suddenly gained an extra 5-10% body fat in that beach shot? It's CGI. They used it in Thor when even Hemsworth incredible physique was not enough for the shot, so they used CGI to make it look how they wanted, and you think they won't use it here to replace this flabby guy's body? Why is your personality so tied to this apparently mediocre product? Are you part of a victim group or are you a fanboy? Because you display a remarkable lack of critical thinking.

Ah, you're trolling. I get it. You could've strung me on longer if you didn't just repeat the same post from before.

Weaksauce. Hes not CGI, you have one blurry photograph on which to base your entire thesis and you can't even defend it against scrutiny. You are a sad little man, and I pity you.

 

[jason10mm]

When you need the avengers but can only afford to pay 70% of their usual rate

If you showed me this about 5 years ago I would have assumed this was from a porn parody

 

[Toons]

When you need the avengers but can only afford to pay 70% of their usual rate

2 of those are dead, black widow was already a female and clea is not a female strange lmfao

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Even if someone paid me and even paid me extra to go see his movie I wouldn't do so....

Because I couldn't deal watching a movie about losing loved ones. Especially with what's happening with me right now.

 

[DeafTourette]

Even if someone paid me and even paid me extra to go see his movie I wouldn't do so....

Because I couldn't deal watching a movie about losing loved ones. Especially with what's happening with me right now.

I'm sorry you're going through so much right now. I hope you have someone you can talk to often.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I'm sorry you're going through so much right now. I hope you have someone you can talk to often.

I don't want to derail this thread but I made a separate thread here about what's going on.

 

[Toons]

Even if someone paid me and even paid me extra to go see his movie I wouldn't do so....

Because I couldn't deal watching a movie about losing loved ones. Especially with what's happening with me right now.

Sorry to hear that. I do hope at some point you can bring yourself to do it. It has a really nice message about acceptance and thr legacy of the deceased. The final moments are very cathartic

 

[March Climber]

What I didn’t like:
Floating people under water, pretending to be born into it and still looking like normal people trying to hold their breath. And how sound of speech travels under water like on the surface.

What would be the best way to handle these issues? Aquaman's underwater moments were very similar and I just accepted the fact of that's how it's going to be, because I couldn't think of a better way myself.

 

[DeafTourette]

One thing I wanted to mention is that the accents are based on actual South Africa Xhosa accent and Wakanda language is actually Xhosa.

 

[DKehoe]

One thing I wanted to mention is that the accents are based on actual South Africa Xhosa accent and Wakanda language is actually Xhosa.

Wakanda is meant to be in eastern Africa though right? I wonder why they didn't pick an accent and language from that region.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Movie was wack and further proof that going for the meta only hurts the quality of the writing.

Shuri also does not have the physicality or the charisma to carry the film no matter how much people try to convince themselves.

 

[Days like these...]

Movie was wack and further proof that going for the meta only hurts the quality of the writing.

Shuri also does not have the physicality or the charisma to carry the film no matter how much people try to convince themselves.

It's ok Namor was there to carry it.

 

[Trunx81]

What would be the best way to handle these issues? Aquaman's underwater moments were very similar and I just accepted the fact of that's how it's going to be, because I couldn't think of a better way myself.

Haven’t seen Aquaman, but it bothered me also in Infinity War that Thor could communicate in empty space with Rocket Raccoon through his headset. Maybe telepathy? Or a certain kind of ultrasound, that in the beginning is not understandable and later, for convenience, dubbed into English?

 

[Billbofet]

Took my son to see this. It looked great, but it was just okay. I honestly haven't been this bored in a movie in a long time.
My son didn't even want to wait to see the post credit scene(s).

Liked the first one way more.

 

[DeafTourette]

I honestly didn't know Letitia Wright and Danai Gurira are both African born... I knew Lupita was born and raised in Mexico (so she's Kenyan-Mexican) but I had no idea about the other two.

 

[Rentahamster]

I finally got around to seeing this now that the hustle and bustle of Christmas is out of the way.

It was aite.

Setting, costumes, world building, acting, music, and casting were great. The actual writing, story, plot, character development, and character motivations are subpar.

I understand that they want to include themes of loss, revenge, reconciliation, and self-preservation into the movie, but they way the characters need to act like idiots in order to generate enough misunderstandings that they feel like the only feasible option is to go to war with each other doesn't do them any favors. The conflict generation is ham-fisted and plot driven more than it is character driven. The point is made that the Wakandans don't trust the other nations to have power, that they are more civilized than that, yet Shuri goes "fuck it I feel like I want to burn the world" just because her brother died? Namor also has blinders on and can't see the obvious differences between the surface dwellers who killed his ancestors vs the differences between the Wakandans and chooses instead to group all the surface dwellers into the "my enemy" camp? Dumb.

Why even have the theme of "colonizers" in the movie if the modern representations of them don't even play a meaningful part in driving the plot. It does a disservice to the gravity of those historical undertones if the two "native" representations mainly fight with each other because their leaders were being stupid, and not because of institutionalized grievances or manipulation/oppression by the "colonizers". The "colonizers" have to do their own one dimensional song and dance while the Talokanil and Wakandans do their own one dimensional aggressive posturing with each other. The writers determined that we need to have X amount of flashy fight scenes in this movie and they're fine if they only way they can think of how to achieve this is for everyone to be retarded, realpolitik be damned. I might be overly critical on this point, but I feel like the writers had the potential for a lot deeper character development and thematic storytelling, but they gave it up because they needed to hit their quota of CGI battles.

Killmonger cameo was cool, but I wish they put more character development into that. Wasted opportunity.

Overall okay movie, but the first one was better.

 

[Toons]

I finally got around to seeing this now that the hustle and bustle of Christmas is out of the way.

It was aite.

Setting, costumes, world building, acting, music, and casting were great. The actual writing, story, plot, character development, and character motivations are subpar.

I understand that they want to include themes of loss, revenge, reconciliation, and self-preservation into the movie, but they way the characters need to act like idiots in order to generate enough misunderstandings that they feel like the only feasible option is to go to war with each other doesn't do them any favors. The conflict generation is ham-fisted and plot driven more than it is character driven. The point is made that the Wakandans don't trust the other nations to have power, that they are more civilized than that, yet Shuri goes "fuck it I feel like I want to burn the world" just because her brother died? Namor also has blinders on and can't see the obvious differences between the surface dwellers who killed his ancestors vs the differences between the Wakandans and chooses instead to group all the surface dwellers into the "my enemy" camp? Dumb.

Why even have the theme of "colonizers" in the movie if the modern representations of them don't even play a meaningful part in driving the plot. It does a disservice to the gravity of those historical undertones if the two "native" representations mainly fight with each other because their leaders were being stupid, and not because of institutionalized grievances or manipulation/oppression by the "colonizers". The "colonizers" have to do their own one dimensional song and dance while the Talokanil and Wakandans do their own one dimensional aggressive posturing with each other. The writers determined that we need to have X amount of flashy fight scenes in this movie and they're fine if they only way they can think of how to achieve this is for everyone to be retarded, realpolitik be damned. I might be overly critical on this point, but I feel like the writers had the potential for a lot deeper character development and thematic storytelling, but they gave it up because they needed to hit their quota of CGI battles.

Killmonger cameo was cool, but I wish they put more character development into that. Wasted opportunity.

Overall okay movie, but the first one was better.

Decent overlook but I feel like you overlooked a lot of context.

Shuri is around 18 or 19 years old. She's still a kid, and she's emotional. Keeo in mind she's lost her father, her brother 3 times, and had her nation go through immense turmoil in the last few years of her life. She was devastated by TChallas passing because of how close she was to him, and she has lost empathy. She didn't really want to burn the world, she was just angry at everyone and everything. I felt similar when someone close to mr passed a few years back, I felt nothing for anything and lot my sense of empathy and gravitas.

The colonizers line wss pretty clearly more of a humorous in joke between friends than anything at this point, I think you are putting way too much behind this interactions. When its said in this film its not in a negative connotation but a casual friendly one.

I think you're also missing a lot of the fact that these are two isolationist nations whove had limited interactions with the world for hundreds of years. Namor definitely lacks perspective, thats pretty much always been a character trait of his. He simply doesn't care about anyone other than his own people and operates under the framework.... which is exactly how wakanda acted in the first movie. The conflict is that namor hasn't done that, hasn't reached out, and dislikes the wakandans for doing so, where wakanda has grown past that and is at the same time dealing with inevitable repercussions of their reaching out. They new some nations would push for violent methods of getting their resources.

So the challenge wakanda faced in this movie wss surrounding whether or not namors approach was right, and then subsequently how to deal with the threat from two opposing sides of rhe issue and at the center of it was shuri who is already not doing well and is out through a ringer. It makes her plight to make the right choice almost insurmountable.

I feel the fight sequences perfectly service the story and arent egregious, any time the conflict escalates to physicality there is a specific reason why and other options are tried first.

There also shuri wondering if the people she lived who are now gone ever really mattered or affected her or if their legacy ends with death. In the end, in imitation of those very people she chooses mercy and forgiveness, and this moves Namor to ally as he sees that the wakandans have empathy for talokan. Its probably the first time another nation has ever shown this to namor and so he stops fighting them. Namor goes through a real subtle character arc here i think.

Just my two cents on some of your critiques.

 

[Rentahamster]

Decent overlook but I feel like you overlooked a lot of context.

It's possible I did, but I can't shake the feeling that the writers cared more about getting from one set-piece to the next without spending enough time developing the characters to organically arrive there and developing the "why" or "how".

Shuri is around 18 or 19 years old. She's still a kid, and she's emotional. Keeo in mind she's lost her father, her brother 3 times, and had her nation go through immense turmoil in the last few years of her life. She was devastated by TChallas passing because of how close she was to him, and she has lost empathy. She didn't really want to burn the world, she was just angry at everyone and everything. I felt similar when someone close to mr passed a few years back, I felt nothing for anything and lot my sense of empathy and gravitas.

Yes, she's very young and has experienced a lot of loss and is in a very emotional/vulnerable state. That's in line with the loss/vengeance themes I recognized are the roots of some of the character motivations. It also mirrors T'Challa's vengeance/acceptance arc from Captain America: Civil War when she loses her mother too. My criticism isn't necessarily that they employ this theme. It's that the way it's done is a little too hamfisted and seems like more of an excuse to have the characters not act logically with their decision making.

The colonizers line wss pretty clearly more of a humorous in joke between friends than anything at this point, I think you are putting way too much behind this interactions. When its said in this film its not in a negative connotation but a casual friendly one.

I don't have a problem with the line or the use of the term in the movie or the way it's used in the movie. My criticism is that I don't like how the movie deals with the theme of "the legacy of colonization/imperialism" by having the source of the conflict not be the oppression/manipulation but rather the sheer arrogance and stupidity of the "native" civilizations. As if the negative externalities of the "colonizer" don't matter because the "natives" will fight amongst themselves anyway. You could have cut out 90% of the stuff involving America and it wouldn't have changed much of the plot at all or kept the main characters from making stupid, arrogant decisions that don't actually work towards the goals that they say they want.

I think you're also missing a lot of the fact that these are two isolationist nations whove had limited interactions with the world for hundreds of years. Namor definitely lacks perspective, thats pretty much always been a character trait of his. He simply doesn't care about anyone other than his own people and operates under the framework.... which is exactly how wakanda acted in the first movie. The conflict is that namor hasn't done that, hasn't reached out, and dislikes the wakandans for doing so, where wakanda has grown past that and is at the same time dealing with inevitable repercussions of their reaching out. They new some nations would push for violent methods of getting their resources.

I get that both nations have been under self imposed isolation for many years as a form of protection and self preservation, and that they will go to extreme and sometimes selfish measures to ensure that. Namor blames the Wakandans for opening the Vibranium door to the rest of the world, but he should be smart enough to see that they still have similar interests instead of going full aggressor. He should know that even if he kills that one scientist, that ain't going to change shit.

So the challenge wakanda faced in this movie wss surrounding whether or not namors approach was right, and then subsequently how to deal with the threat from two opposing sides of rhe issue and at the center of it was shuri who is already not doing well and is out through a ringer. It makes her plight to make the right choice almost insurmountable.

Yes, and instead of resolving that conflict more thoughtfully, they decided to go the route of
1. Talokanil attack Wakanda and kick Wakanda's ass even though it shouldn't have been that easy but whatever it looks cool.
2. Montage
3. Wakanda gets in a counter attack and somehow Shuri learns a lesson from this. (T'Challa's lessons and character growth in Civil War were better handled)

I feel the fight sequences perfectly service the story and arent egregious, any time the conflict escalates to physicality there is a specific reason why and other options are tried first.

The specific reasons why seem stupid and contrived to me, but maybe that's a me problem. I don't have a problem with the battles themselves, but more like how they materialized and how they took away time from actual character development.

There also shuri wondering if the people she lived who are now gone ever really mattered or affected her or if their legacy ends with death. In the end, in imitation of those very people she chooses mercy and forgiveness, and this moves Namor to ally as he sees that the wakandans have empathy for talokan. Its probably the first time another nation has ever shown this to namor and so he stops fighting them. Namor goes through a real subtle character arc here i think.

Yes I recognize that these are the character arcs the writers are going for, but it was sloppily executed. Maybe it's a writing thing, an editing thing, or both, but the characters' behaviors and personalities seem erratic and irrational and shoehorned. As if the writers needed the characters to act a certain weird way because that's the only way they know how to get them to fight with each other.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Super lttp but I saw it tonight and my god was it awful. From story to acting to nonsense plot devices out of literally nowhere. It was all bad, except the general and mbaku. They were awesome

 

[Liamario]

Just finished watching it. They learned nothing from the last movie. MCU has gone to shit

 

[RJMacready73]

God that was the biggest pile of shite, what was with the embarrassing power rangers outfits!? And that awful awful looking goggly eyed blue dreadlocked fuck knows what suit the bald chick wore was total cringe... What age group was this movie aimed at? 5-10? The standard "climatic" marvel battle was awful... Yeah let's go fight the sea people... On the fucking sea... In a ship... We're going to fight the world?? M8 a few nuclear depth charges and your entire city is gone.. terrible story, awful protagonist with his little winged ankles..

What the fuck happened to Marvel? Everything they make is shite these days

Oh aye now we're meant to believe shuri the skinny awkward looking woman is black panther? Fuck off

 

[bitbydeath]

God that was the biggest pile of shite, what was with the embarrassing power rangers outfits!? And that awful awful looking goggly eyed blue dreadlocked fuck knows what suit the bald chick wore was total cringe... What age group was this movie aimed at? 5-10? The standard "climatic" marvel battle was awful... Yeah let's go fight the sea people... On the fucking sea... In a ship... We're going to fight the world?? M8 a few nuclear depth charges and your entire city is gone.. terrible story, awful protagonist with his little winged ankles..

What the fuck happened to Marvel? Everything they make is shite these days

Oh aye now we're meant to believe shuri the skinny awkward looking woman is black panther? Fuck off

Agreed, it did setup some interesting stuff though. Looks like a Civil War round 2 is coming between the Thunderbolts/government vs Wakanda/Blue people/Avengers? Shuri sucks but Riri was good. Overall it was too long and boring.

 

[nush]

Overall it was too long and boring.

I made it to 40 minutes of my second attempted watch, Wakanda getting to the point takes Forever. Even the Marvel stans don't talk about this one, now I know why.

 

[Doom85]

Even the Marvel stans don't talk about this one, now I know why.

There was some decent amount of discussion on this very website about the film both leading up to it and on release.

The only recent film that sparked more discussion was Avatar 2, and given how some of the James Cameron fans on this site come off as borderline obsessed, that’s to be expected.

 

[nush]

There was some decent amount of discussion

Sir, we're only on page 7...

 

[Doom85]

Sir, we're only on page 7...

Top Gun Maverick was another massive hit this past year, it had “only” 8 pages.

I apologize we’re all not individually writing a thesis on every major blockbuster release. Neogaf has clearly failed you in this regard!

 

[Panajev2001a]

I made it to 40 minutes of my second attempted watch, Wakanda getting to the point takes Forever. Even the Marvel stans don't talk about this one, now I know why.

I am impressed with how strongly they went with chromatic aberration / blur effects on what was not the intended focal point of the scene… so heavy handed and what an eye sore. Was wondering if this was a TV series or a made for theatres movie in some parts…

 

[Kraz]

The film was really good. Enjoyed the development in Shuri's character. The actress was impressive with her well crafted and maintained Boseman/T'Challa impression after assuming the mantle, straight outta Henry V.

 

[Little Mac]

Watched it yesterday. Pales in comparison to the first one in my opinion. Angela Basset was a stand out though in the first third of the movie. Last third of the movie made no sense. The movie was way too long for what it accomplishes, and the leads couldn’t carry the movie like Chadwick B. 6/10.

 

[OZ9000]

Seen approx 1 hour of the movie so far and I can already tell it's absolute garbage. When will Marvel's obsession with shitty teenage sidekicks stop?

On what planet does some teenage girl have the ability to produce a machine to find vibranium on zero budget, conjured using junk parts and no vibranium to hand? Nevermind that Iron Man suit. Jesus Christ. It doesn't help she appears to be an insufferable cunt.

Why does every new Marvel movie have an annoying twat of a teenage sidekick?

All three big releases - Doctor Strange, Thor and now Black Panther have been awful. Dreary me all these new Marvel movies are utter shite.