New Ninja Theory game to be announced this week at TGS.

*too many angry posts to quote*

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oh man, I must be from some parallel universe in which DMC4 was not a mediocre game and the series was kinda meh since the first game anyway.
Apparently, you must be some kind of god to even dare to develop a sequel to this awesome game.
 
SolidusDave said:
oh man, I must be from some parallel universe in which DMC4 was not a mediocre game and the series was kinda meh since the first game anyway.
Apparently, you must be some kind of god to even dare to develop a sequel to this awesome game.

We aren't talking about the previous entry or the state of the series. We're talking about the father of the genre being handed off to a developer known for a crappy fighter and a mediocre action game. Even if you didn't like DMC4 (a lot of people still liked it a hell of a lot better than HS), any chance of the series making a return to glory is most likely lost.
 
SolidusDave said:
oh man, I must be from some parallel universe in which DMC4 was not a mediocre game and the series was kinda meh since the first game anyway.
Apparently, you must be some kind of god to even dare to develop a sequel to this awesome game.


That's funny since DMC3 is still tied with NGB as the best action game ever created. Was DMC4 as good as DMC3? No. Was DMC4 50x better than any western-developed action game? Yes.
 
iconoclast said:
That's funny since DMC3 is still tied with NGB as the best action game ever created. Was DMC4 as good as DMC3? No. Was DMC4 50x better than any western-developed action game? Yes.

Is that including any of the God of War games?
 
Warm Machine said:
What is so awesome about the Unreal Engine is that it auto converts any model you put into it into a space marine.
Don't forget the Unreal Engine Plot Generator! (tm)
Warm Machine said:
Is that including any of the God of War games?
Oh, why would you do that? Thread derail in 5...4...3...2... :lol
 
cosmicblizzard said:
We aren't talking about the previous entry or the state of the series. We're talking about the father of the genre being handed off to a developer known for a shitty fighter and a shitty action game. Even if you didn't like DMC4 (most sane people still liked it a hell of a lot better than HS), any chance of the series making a return to glory is most likely lost. (unless Capcom pulls a SE)

Fixed and agreed.
 
SolidusDave said:
oh man, I must be from some parallel universe in which DMC4 was not a mediocre game and the series was kinda meh since the first game anyway.
Apparently, you must be some kind of god to even dare to develop a sequel to this awesome game.
DMC4 still shat all over Heavenly Sword. The big issue with DMC4 was a massive amount of backtracking, which unfortunately made the game seem incredibly rushed. That aside, it still felt like a DMC game.
 
SolidusDave said:
*too many angry posts to quote*

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oh man, I must be from some parallel universe in which DMC4 was not a mediocre game and the series was kinda meh since the first game anyway.
Apparently, you must be some kind of god to even dare to develop a sequel to this awesome game.
You are from the parallel universe where parallel universe sarcasm is clever.
 
Monty Mole said:
DMC4 still shat all over Heavenly Sword. The big issue with DMC4 was a massive amount of backtracking, which unfortunately made the game seem incredibly rushed. That aside, it still felt like a DMC game.
For a DMC fan, maybe.
As someone who couldn't give a shit about DMC, HS was a much better game. That actually felt finished instead of a copy pasta job that was DMC4
 
BlazingDarkness said:
For a DMC fan, maybe.
As someone who couldn't give a shit about DMC, HS was a much better game. That actually felt finished instead of a copy pasta job that was DMC4

the whole 4 hours of it ?
 
Acosta said:
Yes, because this thread needed more fuel.

I didn't know there was any conflict between the games as I don't follow their threads. The hack and slash genre is full of enough competition eastern and western with GoW, DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta, and Ninja Blade.
 
Jerk 2.0 said:
Fixed and agreed.

By "pull an SE" do you mean hiring their previous most talented lead designer back out of the blue?

That might be harder for them(since I honestly hold both Kamiya and Mikami on an equal level).
 
cosmicblizzard said:
We aren't talking about the previous entry or the state of the series. We're talking about the father of the genre being handed off to a developer known for a crappy fighter and a mediocre action game. Even if you didn't like DMC4 (a lot of people still liked it a hell of a lot better than HS), any chance of the series making a return to glory is most likely lost.

We have not even seen any footage yet...
And you have played Enslaved already, interesting.
Also, both games are not supposed to play like DMC.

(btw. while the HS gameplay would have needed changes, once you have all the moves unlocked and play on higher difficulty, it's actually quite cool. Dare I say that I liked the animations/style of the moves&finishers.)

Anyway, the closest thing to DMC is Bayonetta and that's even way better than DMC4.

DMC5 by NT would mean we get at least great cinematography. ^^



If they fuck it up like Silent Hill you can rightfully complain all day long for all I care :P
 
Warm Machine said:
I didn't know there was any conflict between the games as I don't follow their threads.
Conflict isn't between games. Games sit on shelves and disc trays and make (sane) people happy. Conflict is between fanboys.
 
I played Enslaved at Gamescom and it was pretty great for a Prince of Persia style platformer. Just the crashing aircraft level was very linear but the feel and presentation were tops.
 
Common guys, let's just give them a chance.

In all honesty though, think about the developers, they'd be crushed looking at all the nuclear hate in this thread. Just some common courtesy.
 
AAK said:
Common guys, let's just give them a chance.
Worst thing is, I don't think we're going to get a gameplay trailer. I could be wrong, but we're either getting a teaser or a story/cgi trailer, which means this is going to go on for a while.
 
Totobeni said:
the whole 4 hours of it ?
:lol

If only HS came out when the games under 8 hours already became the norm before that, wonder how it would have faired then.
 
Warm Machine said:
I played Enslaved at Gamescom and it was pretty great for a Prince of Persia style platformer. Just the crashing aircraft level was very linear but the feel and presentation were tops.
I have very high hopes for Enslaved, but DMC is just not their style and considering DMC 3 is one of the best action games ever, I doubt they'll be able to do it justice.
 
Ya, I'm not understanding the hate for this.

I thought the team was a good match for the game. The only concern that is realistic so far is that they wouldn't be able to make a game that could actually run well, but if they are using MT Framework that won't matter.
 
FreedomFrisbee said:
Ya, I'm not understanding the hate for this.

I thought the team was a good match for the game. The only concern that is realistic so far is that they wouldn't be able to make a game that could actually run well, but if they are using MT Framework that won't matter.

Of course they could make a game that runs well if that was made a priority. The concern is that they do not have the combat design skills to play in the big leagues. This concern is realistic as fuck.
 
SolidusDave said:
DMC5 by NT would mean we get at least great cinematography.


well there is nothing wrong with Yuji Shimomura work ( btw he is the same guy who did the awesome crazy cinematic for Bayonetta ) in DMC4 he just didn't have the chance to actually do his thing because of DMC4 story and that abomination Nero.

I will take Yuji Shimomura's crazy corny cutscenes over the the long overacting crap of Andy Serkis anytime.


FreedomFrisbee said:
Ya, I'm not understanding the hate for this.

I thought the team was a good match for the game. The only concern that is realistic so far is that they wouldn't be able to make a game that could actually run well, but if they are using MT Framework that won't matter.

Heavenly Sword combat and countering system was complete and utter trash ,and the team thought an action game without jump button is a good idea for some unknown reasons , so no it's not just the engine that is the problem here.
 
Bebpo said:
It's Onimusha 5 by NT. Dmc rumor were to throw you off. I think NT could handle Onimusha!
I would absolutely support this. The pace and atmosphere of Onimusha would be an excellent fit for Ninja Theory.
 
AAK said:
Common guys, let's just give them a chance.

In all honesty though, think about the developers, they'd be crushed looking at all the nuclear hate in this thread. Just some common courtesy.

This. If I wasn't already rooting for DMC5 to be great, I would now just to see people in here eat crow.

Why are some of you assuming the gameplay in DMC5 would be anything like Heavenly Sword just because that game was also made by Ninja Theory? Heavenly Sword was never trying to be DMC, it was more like God of War.

It's pretty obvious they would build on the combat from the previous DMC games.

Just because it's outsourced doesn't mean it will suck. Dead Rising 2 was outsourced to a Canadian developer that makes baseball games, and that looks like a great sequel.
 
Totobeni said:
Heavenly Sword combat and countering system was complete and utter trash ,and the team thought an action game without jump button is a good idea for some unknown reasons , so no it's not just the engine that is the problem here.

Not to mention the enemy designs and most of the bosses were boring as hell. And most of the combos were completely interchangeable. The only mechanic with real gameplay repercussions was the heavy/light distinction, and that wasn't very deep.
 
Probably MT Framework has been given to Ninja Theory to work with, I don't expect the game to run on the UE3. Namco had no other engine for these games so they didn't have a choice.
About the game...........well Capcom has been mediocre at best with DMC4 and with DMC2 too so they need help to reinvent the series. Maybe the game will be a collaborative effort with Capcom...wait and see mode on this.
 
Actually, to say something nice about Ninja Theory, I have to give them credit where credit is due. Despite the unfortunate and inaccurate label "Goddess of War," Heavenly Sword's combat system really did feel like its own. It wasn't an obvious ripoff of any of the existing heavy hitters in the genre. So in a world of ripoffs, I give them credit for trying their own thing, even if I didn't like the result.
 
Elios83 said:
Probably MT Framework has been given to Ninja Theory to work with, I don't expect the game to run on the UE3. Namco had no other engine for these games so they didn't have a choice.
About the game...........well Capcom has been mediocre at best with DMC4 and with DMC2 too so they need help to reinvent the series. Maybe the game will be a collaborative effort with Capcom...wait and see mode on this.

I doubt MT Framework would be given to NT, Capcom didn't even let Blue Castle Games use MTFW for Dead Rising 2. BCG just made its own engine for DR2.

It's probably going to be UE3.
 
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