I agree with Siege. It clearly is the best looking/designed starter ever, does it really have to be a great Pokemon competitive-wise too? It's gotta have some drawback, right?
Don't you start with your Poopplio/Pooparina poopaganda.
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Don't you start with your Poopplio/Pooparina poopaganda.
Fallout Phoenix
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I agree with Siege. It clearly is the best looking/designed starter ever, does it really have to be a great Pokemon competitive-wise too? It's gotta have some drawback, right?
It's probably gonna be slow as sin?
I'm not saying it will be good since we don't know how it's ability and stats stack up, but scald and a strong fairy move already provides good coverage with a few exceptions that it should be able to deal with.
Read the rest of the post.
Alright, let me put this another way then. The chances of "Pooparina" not being great is exceptionally low. I don't need to see anything else to make that call. It's typing is quite frankly, ridiculous, and the bonusesit'll get from being a Water type will do more than support it That's not blind faith like you're implying, but a measured observation. You can keep throwing the "we don't know everything yet" claim but it's a lazy, thought terminating argument.
Not75Drops
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It's a small thing, but it looks like Incineroar was the only one out of the final evos who had its official art changed from the leaks. Decidueye's was flipped, but it still looks the same.
NotDreamcast
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Whoa whoa whoa, Decidueye is like the coolest thing since iced tea. I'd been wavering between Litten and Rowlet, but Grass/Ghost seals the deal. It might eclipse Sceptile as my favorite starter.
Incineroar's animations are damn good. That, along with its description make it one of the more charming starters I think. With Delphox and now Incineroar, it seems the era of firefighters is behind us (for now).
Primarina is nice. Never expected Popplio to become so majestic.
Good gang of starters all around.
Incineroar's animations are damn good. That, along with its description make it one of the more charming starters I think. With Delphox and now Incineroar, it seems the era of firefighters is behind us (for now).
Primarina is nice. Never expected Popplio to become so majestic.
Good gang of starters all around.
When literally everything else that majorly contributes to a Pokemon being good is completely unknown, it is absolutely more than fair to tell people not to jump to conclusions. How the hell is that lazy? Are you saying that Azumarill would be shit without Huge Power just because it's Water/Fairy? Because I can 100% guarantee you that it wouldn't, despite holding on to its great typing and incredible movepool. Typing is only a piece, to assume greatness without seeing the whole picture is far more lazy than waiting to see what else it has to offer.
What a nerd.
Anyway, I know we're all focused on the starters, but I'm a big fan of Tapu Bolo. Look at this guy, he has a grass type Super Fang too. What a baller.
The only groups of weird mini legendaries I like are the Legendary Birds and Legendary Golems, so it's nice to be digging all of these guys after those dumb old men and even worse stupid fairy things.
I like the fish a lot as well and am pretty solid on Koko, but I have no idea what the psychic one is supposed to be so I don't like it. Any guesses?
The bull is my favorite looks wise.
Complistic
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Will I be able to team up with another local player and play vs the AI then?
Shit I forgot that was a thing in DPPT
PadWarrior
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Can we get some gifs of rowlets final evo?
WrenchNinja
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Apparently Owls and spirits are connected in Hawaiian mythology
I like all of them except for the purple, swordfish/dolphin. The body inside the outer shell on that one looks awkward.What a nerd.
Anyway, I know we're all focused on the starters, but I'm a big fan of Tapu Bolo. Look at this guy, he has a grass type Super Fang too. What a baller.
The only groups of weird mini legendaries I like are the Legendary Birds and Legendary Golems, so it's nice to be digging all of these guys after those dumb old men and even worse stupid fairy things.
I like the fish a lot as well and am pretty solid on Koko, but I have no idea what the psychic one is supposed to be so I don't like it. Any guesses?
Greninja96
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The f***?
Why did they spoil that characters from other regions are coming back in the trailer? I feel there won't be any surprises at this point.
Why did they spoil that characters from other regions are coming back in the trailer? I feel there won't be any surprises at this point.
WrenchNinja
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They still haven't really spoiled the story yet, so at least there's that.
Except you're seriously undervaluing the importance of typing. Typing isn't just one "piece", it's a huge chunk of the portrait that is "Pokemon." So it's incredibly disingenuous for you to say we're completely in the dark in regards to how good it will be. Because we are not.
Point #1: Water / Fairy is a top tier typing
Point #2: Water types (especially starter Water-types) get a good movepools
Point #3: Primarina will likely have good defensive stats (based on Popplio)
Point #4: (leak spoiler)
It gets a move that combines Reflect and Light Screen's effects
I can assume "greatness" because of these points. Can you really disprove the argument that the above points make it more likely that Primarina will be a good Pokemon?
And please don't put words into my mouth; Azumarill has nothing to do with this discussion. Though I imagine Azumarill would still be good without Huge Power. Obviously not as good as it is now, but certainly a Pokemon worth using.
Already Torn
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Yeah, I see what you mean. I like how it's hands make fins though, and it'll probably end up being one of the best of the four if I had to guess. Misty terrain is super good.
Aaronrules380
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We don't actually know that Primarina gets that move. That's an assumption, and one I question since we know they're signature moves and it isn't one
That seems kind of unlikely since they showed its signature move during the trailer and it wasn't that.
Maybe they get 2 signature moves? It doesn't really matter because point #4 was my weakest one!
tenderbrew
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Hah, no I get how to say it. It sounds like someone thought too hard about it. But w/e, it's fine.
Darryl M R
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I always pick the Fire starter, but for meta game I think the Water/Fairy might be good.
I don't have a 3DS but this looks cool especially with Red and Blue. Though I enjoy the pixel art of HGSS more than the more fleshed out avatar and world look.
I don't have a 3DS but this looks cool especially with Red and Blue. Though I enjoy the pixel art of HGSS more than the more fleshed out avatar and world look.
QisTopTier
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water shuriken/mat block
It depends on the power of the move, but it will likely be more useful in doubles.
UberTag
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What are the odds that we'll get typing and non-hidden abilities for the remaining 10 competition-viable pokemon prior to launch?
Those 10 being
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Those 10 being
Alolan Golem, Alolan Dugtrio, Pikipek's final evo, Crabrawler's evo, Morelull's evo, Salandit's evo, Wimpod's evo and the yet-to-be-named sea anemone/urchin, bubble spider and anchor pokemon
Not75Drops
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Greninja got 2 signature moves. Also, they line up perfectly with what we know about the starters.
Laser Focus for a sniper, Throat Chop for a dirty wrestler, and Aurora Veil for a fairy type singer
Not a fan of how Red looks honestly. Blue at least retains some of what makes him iconic.
Treating typing like it's everything isn't disingenuous somehow? So I guess Talonflame is just total shit right? Greninja too huh? Oh wait, no, because despite their awful defensive typing, those two Pokemon became two of the most used competitively because of their abilities, stats, and movepool.
Point #1: Water/Fairy, on it's own, straight up doesn't mean a damn thing without knowing everything else.
Point #2: That remains to be seen. I would argue that Blastoise and Swampert, among the many other Water types that aren't worth using, don't have particularly great movepools.
Point #3: Again, that remains to be seen. If its HP isn't particularly good, or if its defenses aren't that great, it's going to struggle making a dent.
Point #4: And when that move is revealed to be Pooparina, I'll surely compliment it on that. Granted, it's begging to run into a taunt, and it'd be a pretty one-note Pokemon if that move is all it can rely on.
I didn't put words in your mouth, you're saying that being Water/Fairy guarantees it some level of usefulness. Azumarill wouldn't be anywhere near as be useful if it weren't for the combination of being part Fairy, having a strong movepool, and having Huge Power. 2/3 wouldn't cut it, which is why Azumarill wasn't widely used before it became a Fairy, and Sap Sipper sees little to no usage. Again, I don't see how waiting to see the whole picture is somehow lazier than assuming that it will be 100% viable based solely on typing.
MasterSheen
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I remember reading a rumor about SM having famous trainers like Cynthia and Blue appearing and immediately dismissing it because sounds exactly like the crazy fan-pandering rumors that people want to hear. Welp
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AetherZX
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I'm not quite sure where they're officially being called legendary.
DeployThatPizza
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Great trailer. I'm glad Litten's final evo turned out to be Fire/Dark. Looks like I'll be sticking with Litten. It was also nice to seem some old trainers return.
You're going from one extreme to another. Me saying that typing is really important = / = mean I treat it like its everything (which btw is another case of you strawmanning me, lmao). Talonflame is an obvious outlier due to its amazing ability, so its pointless to bring it up, and Greninja benefits a ton from its typing. Not enough for me to accurately gauge how good it is at first case, but it didn't have the benefit of having one of the dominant type combinations in the game.
And I guess that's where we fundamentally disagree here. I actually agree with some of your points; I couldn't tell you how good El Tigre or Oliver Green will be without everything else. I can with Primarina though. Because Water/Fairy-type is simply that good.
Like no disrespect, but if you don't think Water/Fairy means something on its own then you don't have a strong grasp of strong that typing is, straight up. You keep using Azumarill as this example to push your point, but Azumarill proves the opposite. Remove Huge Power from the equation. Azumarill as a Water-type is garbage. Azumarill as a Fairy/Water is good. Now bring back Huge Power. Azumarill as a Fairy/Water + Huge power is exceptional. It wouldn't be as good if it had any subtyping. That should tell you something.
Look at Clefable. A pokemon that went from going being underwhelming to arguably the best Pokemon in singles. There's a recurrent theme here. Fairy-type.
I'm not 100% certain it will be good, but i'm 99.99999999999999% it will be. And I get the sense that you're actively hoping it won't be good (considering your use of those nicknames) but I feel like you're going to have a rough time with Gen VII.
PS: Swampert and Blastoise have good movesets, haha.