HomerSimpson-Man
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puck1337 said:
At least Jak has a kickass graphics engine.
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new Shadow the Hedgehog screens - why god, why?
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At least Jak has a kickass graphics engine.
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puck1337 said:
which is sad for many reasons.
Azure Dream
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The in-game shots look quite poor, but the prerendered stuff, and what I've seen of the CG cinema sequences (a weakened Sonic in one of the trailers, and part of the intro someone recorded at the recent games show in Germany) actually look pretty decent. That's not much of an excuse for the ingame stuff looking like that, but it's just interesting.
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No....just no. Sonic would never approve this bull shit.
Uno Ill Nino
Banned
Two big problems:
1) He has a real gun in his hand. That's going to really help our case when politicians get wind of it and start talking about how Shadow is glorifying/promoting gun-violence to children. They couldn't have asked for better ammo. Its like Joe Camel for fuck's sake.
2) Whatever happened to having SONIC be the star? And as my friend once said, "SONIC would never use a gun. He's got that spin-dash along with jumping on enemies. And maybe he'd call in Tails for backup if shit really got bad."
I don't think my friend could have put it any more perfectly. Guns in this kind of game, with that kind of character, is just stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Seeing shit like this makes me wonder what ever happened to the Sega that I used to know. The Sega responsible for the Dreamcast, Virtua Fighter, Daytona, waving the flag to have uncensored Mortal Kombat at home, etc. Apparently they died and somebody has been falsely animating the corpse like Weekend at Bernie's.
1) He has a real gun in his hand. That's going to really help our case when politicians get wind of it and start talking about how Shadow is glorifying/promoting gun-violence to children. They couldn't have asked for better ammo. Its like Joe Camel for fuck's sake.
2) Whatever happened to having SONIC be the star? And as my friend once said, "SONIC would never use a gun. He's got that spin-dash along with jumping on enemies. And maybe he'd call in Tails for backup if shit really got bad."
I don't think my friend could have put it any more perfectly. Guns in this kind of game, with that kind of character, is just stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Seeing shit like this makes me wonder what ever happened to the Sega that I used to know. The Sega responsible for the Dreamcast, Virtua Fighter, Daytona, waving the flag to have uncensored Mortal Kombat at home, etc. Apparently they died and somebody has been falsely animating the corpse like Weekend at Bernie's.
Azure Dream
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Uno Ill Nino said:
I absolutely agree. A lot of people have been getting worried about that since the game first showed up, and the style alone clashes with most everything Sonic previously. Even if the guns just looked and acted more fantasy-like, that'd be something.
Even though this game will be rated T, the simple image of Shadow with a gun _will_ be carried around by some parent groups, with no note about the rating or the actual level of violence within the game.
Uno Ill Nino said:
Now that one's not fair, because this isn't called "Sonic the Hedgehog," and we know there's other Sonic games coming, this isn't replacing any of them. Remember Tails Adventure? Yeah, no Sonic starring in that, it was... shockingly... TAILS! Apply the same logic. This is them trying out a game where Shadow headlines, and trying to tell a darker story (just unfortunately doing a bad job with the graphics and possibly gameplay in the process). If it does really well, it could become a secondary series. If it doesn't perform to expectations, which it probably won't, we won't see it again, and the lasting effects it has on the main Sonic series will be minor at most, probably just applying to Shadow (maybe a piece of clothing or injury or something), or they may not even just bother. But this will not replace the original Sonic series, so don't get worried about defending that.
I'm no huge Sonic fan. I've never played the 2D ones (hey, back in the day it was Nintendo vs. Sega! Any respectable N-head wasn't allowed to touch Sonic!). However, I actually really enjoyed Sonic Adventure on DC. I loved the graphics, and the sheer speed and thrill of whizzbang graphics and sound.
After a brief go of a (bugg as Hell) version of Shadow, it seems it plays a little similar, but with guns. So do the guns work? I'm not so sure - at times, you're blazing down a path firing at things, and it feels ok, but just as suddenly, you're stopped dead on your speed run, to have a brief interlude with shooting some bad guys. It makes teh sonic style so start-stop, which just doesn't seem right.
Again, I'm no Sonic expert, nor even a fan, and I only had brief go on a buggy version, but I wasn't that impressed. I don't remember graphics being particularly bad, but nor standout. Sound was awkward - out of sync and stuff, but that's obviously a work in progress. What occurs to me, though, is how EVIL sounding something can get when they have both the Japanese and English voices on top each other - some people should do it delberately!
After a brief go of a (bugg as Hell) version of Shadow, it seems it plays a little similar, but with guns. So do the guns work? I'm not so sure - at times, you're blazing down a path firing at things, and it feels ok, but just as suddenly, you're stopped dead on your speed run, to have a brief interlude with shooting some bad guys. It makes teh sonic style so start-stop, which just doesn't seem right.
Again, I'm no Sonic expert, nor even a fan, and I only had brief go on a buggy version, but I wasn't that impressed. I don't remember graphics being particularly bad, but nor standout. Sound was awkward - out of sync and stuff, but that's obviously a work in progress. What occurs to me, though, is how EVIL sounding something can get when they have both the Japanese and English voices on top each other - some people should do it delberately!
ShowDog said:
when in rome...
(And people here are STILL on the gun thing? They're optional, and Shadow will use many types of weapons. Like someone said, it's just Jak/Ratchet with Sega mascots. Plus, it's not like they're "replacing" Sonic as the lead character or anything-remember Chaotix?)
hooded pitohui
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You know what though, hopefully it's at least back to the quality of the Sonic Adventure games, which are obviously very flawed, but I personally had a lot of fun with them. Heroes was just a chore.
But if this the direction Sega really wants to go in, they should at least have some secret characters to unlock.
But if this the direction Sega really wants to go in, they should at least have some secret characters to unlock.
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hooded pitohui said:
I was totally going to post that :lol
belgurdo said:
Then they need to lose the fucking nickel-plated pistols and submachine guns and stick with fantasy-based firearms, since a) weapons like those just look wrong in the hands of a cartoony mascot, and b) as others have mentioned in the thread, it gives the impression that Sega's peddling gun violence to children, which is not what we need when fools like Mad Jack Thompson are running around frothing and spitting over the friggin' Sims.
SatelliteOfLove
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Starfire said:
Now, I owned a Master System, Genesis, Game Gear, Saturn, and Dreamcast, so I can say with some authority that I can take some shit from a favorite company; but I can't believe that it would be possible to actually push me away. VF5, any more PD, and that's it from Sega for me. :|
Interview with the producer Takashi Iizuka. See the gameplay trailer it looks better !
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/645/645614p1.html
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/645/645614p1.html
Tellaerin said:Then they need to lose the fucking nickel-plated pistols and submachine guns and stick with fantasy-based firearms, since a) weapons like those just look wrong in the hands of a cartoony mascot, and b) as others have mentioned in the thread, it gives the impression that Sega's peddling gun violence to children, which is not what we need when fools like Mad Jack Thompson are running around frothing and spitting over the friggin' Sims.
Well, considering this game is coming from a country that gave us such things as Gunslinger Girl
and Gold Lightan
among other things, I don't think they're really worried about that too much. And it looks like Sega is going to lengths to make sure people don't mistake this as a kid's game, based on some movies I've seen of it (one video shows a CG movie of his buddy
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SolidSnakex
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I don't really see what the big deal is. It just looks like a more action focused version of a Sonic game. The speed is still there, the platforming is still there.
SolidSnakex
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mrkgoo said:
From what I can tell the fighting is optional like in most Sonic games with the exception of boss battles. So you could run around those enemies if you wanted, or just fight. The trailers are obviously going to show off the fighting since that's the big new thing in this game.
belgurdo said:Well, considering this game is coming from a country that gave us such things as Gunslinger Girl
and Gold Lightan
among other things, I don't think they're really worried about that too much. And it looks like Sega is going to lengths to make sure people don't mistake this as a kid's game, based on some movies I've seen of it (one video shows a CG movie of his buddygetting wasted by soldiers)Maria
The problem here is that Shadow is a part of the Sonic universe, which is something that's firmly established in the minds of children and parents as 'kid-safe'. (As far as Gunslinger Girl goes, it's a series about kids, but I hardly think anyone's going to mistake it as one for them, let alone call it 'kid-safe'.) It really doesn't matter what lengths Sega's willing to go to in order to push this as a more 'adult' title when peoples' perceptions are that deeply ingrained. It's like Nintendo releasing a game where Luigi's running around urban environments capping fools with a Saturday night special--think that would go over well with parents, even if Nintendo went out of their way to warn everyone ahead of time that this was going to be more 'adult' and 'edgy' than the typical Mario game? If Sega was really that intent on creating a game where a cute-but-edgy mascot runs around shooting the crap out of things with real world firearms, they should've gone the Conker route--create new characters specifically for the game, and focus on satire and parody rather than trying to play it straight. (Dramatic journeys of self-discovery are difficult to take seriously when your brooding hero is a Muppet-y creature with DBZ hair.
)SolidSnakex said:
I think it's optional in the sense that, yes, you can just run past them, but the way it was in the first level was like:
Run, encounter some enemies, shoot them, run encounter etc... we shot the bad guys before continuing, but maybe that was because we just did, and not had to. Definitely on teh rails part (you know with the lops and stuff), you'd run, and just wind up at a platform with enemies on it. You may not have been FORCED to kill the enemies, but it still seemed like you were stopped, if not only because you were hit by the bad guys.
But seriously, I didn't play enough to get a judge (I would've definitely looked out for it had I known what were issues before I saw it).
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neopokekun
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What is visually appealing for some may not be appealing for all. But, what I can honestly say is that the game is actually really good from the version I've last played and it is the game that you should be judging. The cross between speed and non-stop hectic action works extremely really well and it was something that was extremely lacking in previous Sonic games (this is not to say that Sonic should also have a gun).
The new gameplay trailer does look quite interesting actually.
The whole hedgehog with a gun thing makes a very good stick to beat Sega with, but it's hardly like the 3D Sonic games to date have been untouchable works of art. Is it really that big a deal that they are using Shadow to experiment a bit?
And Shadow's design and concept was always a bit tacky in the first place anyway. If anything this is the game he was made to star in!
The whole hedgehog with a gun thing makes a very good stick to beat Sega with, but it's hardly like the 3D Sonic games to date have been untouchable works of art. Is it really that big a deal that they are using Shadow to experiment a bit?
And Shadow's design and concept was always a bit tacky in the first place anyway. If anything this is the game he was made to star in!
Agreed, I'm sick of seeing that. It looked so much better on Dreamcast where they had a nice texture to them.human5892 said:I don't like that the character models are so shiny:
It's fur, damn it! Light shouldn't be reflecting off of it!
Blast it, can't find a picture of the fur, but still, this pic rocks anyway:
Uno Ill Nino
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The problem here is that Shadow is a part of the Sonic universe, which is something that's firmly established in the minds of children and parents as 'kid-safe'. (As far as Gunslinger Girl goes, it's a series about kids, but I hardly think anyone's going to mistake it as one for them, let alone call it 'kid-safe'.) It really doesn't matter what lengths Sega's willing to go to in order to push this as a more 'adult' title when peoples' perceptions are that deeply ingrained. It's like Nintendo releasing a game where Luigi's running around urban environments capping fools with a Saturday night special--think that would go over well with parents, even if Nintendo went out of their way to warn everyone ahead of time that this was going to be more 'adult' and 'edgy' than the typical Mario game? If Sega was really that intent on creating a game where a cute-but-edgy mascot runs around shooting the crap out of things with real world firearms, they should've gone the Conker route--create new characters specifically for the game, and focus on satire and parody rather than trying to play it straight. (Dramatic journeys of self-discovery are difficult to take seriously when your brooding hero is a Muppet-y creature with DBZ hair.
One of the most well-put things I've ever read on here. I completely agree, especially with the last sentance. :lol
Well I still think there's something to be said about how Shadow looks exactly like Sonic, but black. When Sonic has always been a kid-friendly franchise (and a huge one at that), you can't go making a fucking game where Sonic's twin runs around capping people with a desert eagle. I mean where is the line drawn then? You can't tell me you wouldn't be on my side here if they made a game where a Mario look-a-like ran around with a .50 cal. People would be just as outraged. While I'm not worried that Sonic is being replaced forever, I'm saying that its really lame to take a character who looks like Sonic and then turn him into everything the Sonic series has been safe from, and expect parents not to pitch a bitch.
And another thing. Is there some kind of underlying racism at work here with Shadow? He's black. Ok, so did they just HAPPEN to give him a gun and fancy sneakers or what? I remember that VGCats comic a while back where they joked about changing the rings to "bling bling" and telling Shadow that he was going to collect watermelons for health. Its almost not funny because at this point, I'd expect to see some shit like that. Almost not funny. Almost. Still actually hilarious. I'll be crying when Sega announces that its for real though.