Prine said:Im not saying consoles should lose variety, i just hate elitest gamers that always bash GTA, Madden etc. They're good games
Well maybe it's the clones that are generated.
Prine said:Im not saying consoles should lose variety, i just hate elitest gamers that always bash GTA, Madden etc. They're good games
And I'm aware enough to consider myself a gaming enthusiast. I'd hope anyone else posting on this board would be honset and self aware enough to do the same, rather than being afraid of looking cool.ZombieSupaStar said:Id rather be labeled a casual gamer then hardcore, Im not 12 anymore playing video games 22 hours a day doesnt make you cool, or anything productive.![]()
jarrod said:But here I thought the argument was hardcore vs casual? Anyway, let's throw in the other examples proportinately...
PS2 >>>>>>>>>> Xbox > GC
Halo > Sunshine >>>> Ninja Gaiden
Pokemon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KOTOR > TOS
And Winning Eleven hasn't outsold Fifa in any region that I'm aware of. Have a link?
Okay...Razoric said:jarrod why not throw GTA in your little chart? whoops! :O
jarrod said:Okay...
Pokemon RuSa > Vice City > GTA3 >>>>>>>>> Halo > Mario Sunshine >>>> KOTOR > Tales = Ninja Gaiden
double whoops!!
It is pretty much the same game.Razoric said:Is that one Pokemon game or did you combine them? And if you did, why not combine GTA3 and Vice? :O
Society said:It is pretty much the same game.
Ruby and Sapphire are one game. I did combine all versions of GTA3 and Vice City though (PS2+PC+Xbox).Razoric said:Is that one Pokemon game or did you combine them? And if you did, why not combine GTA3 and Vice? :O
Society said:They are concidered the same game. Not sequels or side stories like GTAIII and Vice City. Released at the same time, as a set.
jarrod said:Ruby and Sapphire are one game. I did combine all versions of GTA3 and Vice City though (PS2+PC+Xbox).
Can your provide proof on that?10 million pokemon RuSA sold = 5 million players
But I guess people love to skew charts towards their argument huh?
Society said:Can your provide proof on that?
Just like you are assuming that everyone buys both versions of pokemon?![]()
It is not a 50/50 split. That is what I am debating. If you can not keep up, log out.Razoric said:You yourself said they were sold to go together. So you mean to tell me 5 million bought Sapphire and then another 5 million bought Ruby? Come on man, make up your mind, which argument do you want to stick with?
Society said:It is not a 50/50 split. That is what I am debating. If you can not keep up, log out.
What is pretty close? Your analysis of what you think happens or reality?Razoric said:You can't keep up obviously, I'm sure it's pretty close to a split but that doesnt even matter. I was questioning why Jarrod combined Pokemon RuSa sales to begin with. They need to be split up if they are sold seperatly.
You said that they are sold as a set which means that people will buy both, not just one or the other. That's pretty fucking close to a 50/50 split now isn't it douche.
Society said:What is pretty close? Your analysis of what you think happens or reality?
Go back to Ope-Ages.
Well, if your definition of "sold seperately" (ie: seperate SKUs) applies to Pokemon, it should also appy to GTA... meaning seperate sales data for...Razoric said:I was merely going by what you yourself said... "Released at the same time, as a set."
Ouch.
Anyone with sales data for:
Pokemon Ruby
Pokemon Sapphire
GTA:Vice
GTA3
?
Duckhuntdog said:A truely non-linear game would just pop you into a world with no story and you create your own, and since you just would exist in this created world, there wouldn't be an end to the game. It would just go on and on and on forever.
The closest we have gotten to that are MMORPGs. You are pretty much free to do whatever you want in those games. ALMOST.![]()
jarrod said:Well, if yoru definition of "sold seperately" (ie: seperate SKUs) applies to Pokemon, it should also appy to GTA... meaning seperate sales data for...
Pokemon Ruby Version (GBA)
Pokemon Sapphire Version (GBA)
Grand Theft Auto 3 (PS2)
Grand Theft Auto 3 (PC)
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PC)
Grand Theft Auto 3 (PS2 Greastest Hits)
Grand Theft Auto: Double Pack (PS2)
Grand Theft Auto: Double Pack (Xbox)
Razoric said:Ahh but the difference is, people will not buy GTA3 and then GTA3 for GH. People could potentially buy both Pokemon's could they not? But yeah lets do seperate sales for all of that shall we?
Shoryuken said:Actually, I'm sure many people bought either GTA3 and/or GTA:Vice City, then purchased one of the doule packs.
So you're saying there's no chance of overlap bewteen those GTA releases? Hell, people on this board admitted to buying VC on PS2 immediately, then getting the PC release later or going for the DP on Xbox for visual improvements... you're going down a slippery slope here regarding assumptions on how people are these buying games. All I'm asking is applying even standards to both sides (either count seperate SKUs or count seperate games).Razoric said:Ahh but the difference is, people will not buy GTA3 and then GTA3 for GH. People could potentially buy both Pokemon's could they not? But yeah lets do seperate sales for all of that shall we?
jarrod said:So you're saying there's no chance of overlap bewteen those GTA releases? Hell, people on this board admitted to buying VC on PS2 immediately, then getting the PC release later or going for the DP on Xbox for visual improvements... you're going down a slippery slope here regarding assumptions on how people are these buying games. All I'm asking is applying even standards to both sides (either count seperate SKUs or count seperate games).
Razoric said:You yourself said they were sold to go together. So you mean to tell me 5 million bought Sapphire and then another 5 million bought Ruby? Come on man, make up your mind, which argument do you want to stick with?
AniHawk said:I only bought Ruby (used). I'm not sure about most people around the world. I don't really get your point if 10 million people bought EmRuSa then that = 5 million "really." My sister bought Pokemon Blue back in the day, and I bought Pokemon Red. That's how they're meant to "go together." I don't think you can be the guy to decide how exactly the sales are split up among the fanbase.
jarrod said:Rough estimates for all Pokemon & GTA games this gen...
Pokemon Ruby~ 7 million
Pokemon Sapphire~ 7 million
Total~ 14 million (3 regions)
Pokemon Fire Red~ 1.5 million
Pokemon Leaf Green~ 1.5 million
Total~ 3 million (2 regions)
Pokemon Emerald~ 1 million (1 region)
Grand Theft Auto 3 (PS2)~ 8 million
Grand Theft Auto 3 (PC)~ 2 million?
Grand Theft Auto Double Pack (PS2)~ 1 million
Grand Theft Auto Double Pack (XB)~ 1.5 million
Total~ 12.5 million (3 regions)
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)~ 9 million
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PC)~ 2 million?
Grand Theft Auto Double Pack (PS2)~ 1 million
Grand Theft Auto Double Pack (XB)~ 1.5 million
Total~ 13.5 million (3 regions)
jarrod said:Okay...
Pokemon RuSa > Vice City > GTA3 >>>>>>>>> Halo > Mario Sunshine >>>> KOTOR > Tales = Ninja Gaiden
double whoops!!
From 1998 to 2004 EA has gone from 900 million in net revenue to 3 billion. That, alone, is almost the 20% shift in the industry.Rhindle said:That is just naive and misinformed. The rise of EA is a major factor but only one of many:
1. Activision has turned itself around and developed a multiple strong franchises like THPS and Spiderman.
2. Microsoft was not a factor previously and now is a major player in console publishing.
3. Take2/Rockstar: They may be a one-trick pony, but boy is it a good trick.
4. Ubisoft has transformed itself from a mediocre bit player to being arguably the finest publisher in the business.
5. THQ has done very well with licensed games and lately has started producing quality titles like FSW.
6. Smaller publishers like Bethesda and Blizzard have built a name for themselves.
7. The movie studios have gotten in the game and are now a major force. Vivendi Universal are a major publisher and the others are now looking to follow suit.
I believe that also combines the GTA bundle packs. Same game, different SKU.Razoric said:Pretty much? Are they packaged seperatly?
All I want to know is if he combined the two pokemons in sales or not.
Regardless of how they're sold though, it's the same game. It's not like people are throwing in Emerald or the Red/Green Remakes, and I doubt anyone considerers the PS2, PC & Xbox versions of GTA3 to be seperate games... you're making an arbitrary one sided judgement here to try and force your argument through... and it's not really working. :/Razoric said:As I said before I'm just going by what people have said in this thread. And I'm trying to understand the justification for combining the sales of 2 seperatly sold Pokemon games.
Razoric said:Trust me I'm calm, it's just funny catching the Nboys in action.
As I said before I'm just going by what people have said in this thread. And I'm trying to understand the justification for combining the sales of 2 seperatly sold Pokemon games.
AniHawk said:All right. Just making sure that calling people douches was normal for you in everyday conversation.
Actually, it varies depending on the polling source too... while some count RuSa seperately (NPD) some count them as one (denegeki). All polling sources count the various GTA ports and rereleases seperately though.Razoric said:Vice City (PS2) > GTA3 (PS2) > Pokemon Ruby > Pokemon Sapphire >>>>>>>>> Halo > Mario Sunshine >>>> KOTOR > Tales = Ninja Gaiden
:O
jarrod said:Actually, it varies depending on the polling source too... while some count RuSa seperately (NPD) some count them as one (denegeki). All polling sources count the various GTA ports and rereleases sepreately though.![]()
???AniHawk said:I guess we could all start separating the Mortal Kombat Deception and Madden sales by box covers now.
You can bet they're sold as two games for a reason--it drives up sales. If they have separate skus, they're separate games. PERIOD.borghe said:to end the pokemon debate (or to fuel it), for all intents and purpose each Pokemon release is one game.
So on PS2, GTA3, Greatest Hits GTA3 and GTA Double Pack are all seperate games? PERIOD?Teddman said:You can bet they're sold as two games for a reason--it drives up sales. If they have separate skus, they're separate games. PERIOD.
The number one reason there are always two different flavors of Pokemon games for each release is NOT to encourage trading, as someone else suggested in this thread. It's to sell as many copies as possible.
Gotta catch'em all. Gotta buy both versions.
But they have seperate SKUs... which was your definer for "seperate games". PERIOD.Teddman said:Is there any content difference between GTA3, GTA3 GH, GTA3 in the double pack? Were they intially released in two versions where say, certain cars can only be used in certain versions or traded via link-up between versions? No.
I don't see why... these are all the same games. Pokemon RuSa is one game. GTA3 is one game. Vice City is one game. Despite differeing versions, rereleases and ports.Teddman said:Is Jarrod's GTA analogy flawed and totally irrelevent to Pokemon? Why yes.
Just seems a bold move for a new IP in an almost dead market from a tiny development house. Game Freak Entertainment must have one hell of a marketing department.Teddman said:Trading between versions is BOTH a marketing tactic and a gameplay encourages social interaction around the game. I said sales was the foremost reason, not the only one.