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Next-gen leaders talk about their consoles
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Doom_Bringer
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Klee you make solid points. I can't argue with what you said.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
See, the thing is if Sony can convince publishers that they havent lost their focus, PS3 domination will be a self-fulfilling prophecy....What can you, as Microsoft, offer Dan Houser to make GTA a Microsoft exclusive???
How do you deal with the backlash from your customers who cannot play your game anymore on the PS platform?
IMO, it would take alot of money not just on the front end, but the back end too, since you are probably not going to see 10-12M copies of GTA4 being sold if it is only on X360....
This is not the same thing as when Square switched over from Nintendo to the Playstation.....back then Nintendo just started down the road of alianating 3rd party developers.....that kind of thing is not happening with Sony (at least, not yet) so I see them precuring a majority of their big-title exclusives(they went out of there way to point this out during the E3 Press Conference) and the customers that go along with them...
Over the last 4-5 years, even multiplatform games have sold best on the PlayStation platform....oh yeah, there might be a few MP Xbox games that outsold their PS counterparts (especially the UBI stuff) but OVERALL, publishers get better console numbers on PlayStation platforms...
This trend can win you guarenteed support to a certain extent......I think we can all agree that of all the Console providers out there that have to evangalize their next-gen platform, Sony is the one who probably have the least amount of work to do....
Sqrt_minus_one
Member
For some odd reason I actually prefer nintendos stance on all of this, if it aint cheap no sale 
. (I am also tempted to get a GC, its late in the game but its so cheap)
. (I am also tempted to get a GC, its late in the game but its so cheap)Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Once you get your GC, be sure you get Metroid Prime and especially Resident Evil 4....
Awesome games.....
Awesome games.....
Wulfer
Member
I think some people on this board have jumped to conclusions too soon! Sony hasn't won shit and Nintendo and Microsoft have just as good of a chance to win this new gen. Hell, PS3 isn't even silcon yet and you've claimed it's won give me a break! The freakin' graphics chip won't even be completed until 4th quarter. Let stick to the facts we know and stop the dreaming shit up shall we.
Nintendo needs to change their defensive responce . Yeah I know they're backed into a corner and getting their ass handed to them, but their games are no more fun than what's on the other system. Fact is Gods of War and Halo 2 are more fun then anything Nintendo put out this generation in the eyes of most gamers.
Doom_Bringer
Banned
oh and GTA is coming to PS3 according to Izzy. Kaz also mentioned that during the Sony press conference.
Cold-Steel
Member
All the Xbox 360 defenders in here really need to get away from using the "GTA-wannabes" clones on their side for defense.
That card has been played, and it's on Sony's side right now AT LAUNCH.
If MS wants the 360 to sell, they need to play on their advantages: cost, games, LIVE, and launch window.
360 advantages:
1) First Play - MS launches first, gets their foot in the door early, needs to sell as many as possible before the PS3 comes in blazing.
2) Games - Big exclusives need to hit fast and hard. Games like Halo carried the Xbox brand into the big players list and MS will need every advantage they can get to sell more games, thus selling more consoles.
3) LIVE - This is the big bet, if PS3 can achieve an online system even close to LIVE then Microsoft is in trouble. LIVE needs to be the most advanced, simplified, online model out there otherwise there's gonna be trouble brewing.
4) Launch Window - This is the big one, follows through with the First Play. Microsoft gains a 6-month window to make or break their momentum against the PS3. This will hopefully give them enough time to become cost-effective enough to drop the price against PS3 at launch.
A price drop, followed through with a new Halo title is the likely move we are looking at when the PS3 launches.
The problem here is, no one knows what price the PS3 will launch at (which can adversely impact the 360 launch strategy) and Sony is also carrying the GTA trump card which is a guaranteed play in their launch window.
And no one should underestimate Sony's marketing team, EVER.
That card has been played, and it's on Sony's side right now AT LAUNCH.
If MS wants the 360 to sell, they need to play on their advantages: cost, games, LIVE, and launch window.
360 advantages:
1) First Play - MS launches first, gets their foot in the door early, needs to sell as many as possible before the PS3 comes in blazing.
2) Games - Big exclusives need to hit fast and hard. Games like Halo carried the Xbox brand into the big players list and MS will need every advantage they can get to sell more games, thus selling more consoles.
3) LIVE - This is the big bet, if PS3 can achieve an online system even close to LIVE then Microsoft is in trouble. LIVE needs to be the most advanced, simplified, online model out there otherwise there's gonna be trouble brewing.
4) Launch Window - This is the big one, follows through with the First Play. Microsoft gains a 6-month window to make or break their momentum against the PS3. This will hopefully give them enough time to become cost-effective enough to drop the price against PS3 at launch.
A price drop, followed through with a new Halo title is the likely move we are looking at when the PS3 launches.
The problem here is, no one knows what price the PS3 will launch at (which can adversely impact the 360 launch strategy) and Sony is also carrying the GTA trump card which is a guaranteed play in their launch window.
And no one should underestimate Sony's marketing team, EVER.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Well, I am not trying to state my opinion as fact.....I am trying to state my opinion as opinion...
Here is what I think:
PS3 looks like the best system (for me) next gen and will be the best selling next-gen console..
X360 is WAAAAAAYYYYY more appealing(to me) than XBOX and will sell in great numbers next gen.....better than Xbox though not as good as PS3.....my guess is 30-35 percent of the worldwide market...which is a hefty fucking chunk!!!!!
Nintendo is in trouble
Wulfer
Member
When the silcon isn't made their always a chance for a surprise or two and there usually is...
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/2105991
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/2105991
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
You gotta admit though, these guys (Sony and Microsoft) are obviously ready to fight each other tooth and nail for our $$$...
I just think we are gonna get some INSANE games next gen.....probably better even than this gen, which is a scary thought...
I just think we are gonna get some INSANE games next gen.....probably better even than this gen, which is a scary thought...
Kleegamefan said:
So if they don't win next generation they are in trouble? How many years have doomsayers been saying that? Just as you like to tout GTA as Sony's trump card, Nintendo has an even greater one in pokemon on the handheld front (an area they do not appear to be losing grasp of in any stretch of the imagination). And since you know what the revolution is, perhaps you'd like to share it with us? I don't see Nintendo is any worse stance than they were coming into this gen.
sonycowboy
Member
Drek said:
That's the first reasonable post I've seen on the Next-Gen Madden issue. Especially when you consider that "real" Madden fans will have already bought the game 3 months earlier.
Not saying Madden won't do well. It should easily be one of the top 3 selling 360 launch games and quite a few buyers will buy it for the second time, but it's not going to have any effect on the long term next gen outcome, IMO
Pedigree Chum
Banned
Kleegamefan said:
Lets hope MS's deep pockets leads to big price clashes and bundle. I want to see BLOOD next-gen!
Kleegamefan said:
I wouldn't count them out yet, retro gaming is getting bigger and bigger now, and I don't think that hi-def will be standard next gen. The gen after, yes, but not next gen. Similar to online gaming, last gen only had 1/10th of the Xbox userbase doing online, the ratio is much worse on the Sony console and non existant on the Nintendo console. Next gen however far more people will aleast have adsl. So it's the right time for online.
I think it will hurt Nintendo a little if they truly are not going to have hi-def compatible games(they never said it can't be done, rather they aren't focusing on it), but not to the extent you are talking about. Also they are going for a secondary console approach. And looking at it(the design), I think a lot of people will get it as a secondary console as it takes very little space.
I mean most people who have a GC has atleast one other console.
Cold-Steel
Member
I think Nintendo is just playing their poker face right now.
They've still got options, plenty of time to act on them but they are just standing firm and letting Sony and Microsoft wage war on each other.
Quite frankly, I think Nintendo has the best business strategy between all of them.
How it plays out, is anyone's guess.
They've still got options, plenty of time to act on them but they are just standing firm and letting Sony and Microsoft wage war on each other.
Quite frankly, I think Nintendo has the best business strategy between all of them.
How it plays out, is anyone's guess.
Ford Prefect
GAAAAAAAAY
I thought that was funny.Iwata said:
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Nintendo is in trouble. They have crap third party support and the only people who care about their products are nin10do fans.
Its all about MS and Sony baby!
Its all about MS and Sony baby!
Doom_Bringer said:
So we're going from Sony having a clear, undeniable lead and still consistently outselling Xbox month-to-month, to Sony "having a tough time" because Microsoft has a 6-8 month lead? And I hope you're only referring to the USA, because that's the only territory you can even make a sane argument for it. I don't understand the leaps taken to come to this conclusion, but since Sony still has the majority of the most popular franchises on board I don't know how it'd be so difficult for them.
Unless, of course, the PS3 is priced way higher than XBX360... which would be the "BIG MISTAKE" that all giants make at some point.
Microsoft will make strides in marketshare next-gen. But outdo Sony? Honestly, I've been wrong before... but if I was a betting man in Vegas, the odds would be extremely in Sony's favour.
Doom_Bringer
Banned
JavyOO7 said:
Mario Sunshine wasn't in the top 10 best sellers list. I think the franchise has been whored out, nin10do needs more new IPs
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Amir0x said:
yes yes I agree. I was only talking about launch/NA market. PS3 will rape 360 in Japan and maybe Europe and NA will be the tough ground IMO.
Doom_Bringer
Banned
WULFER said:
Is that a remake or a port? The trailer MS showed at the PC looked very good.
Doom_Bringer said:
Yeah, I'm always mullin' it over in my head if it'll be a 50-50 split in the US by the end of the gen. It'd be interesting, to say the least. But if it is that close, major franchises can easily tip in one direction or the other. I think a next-gen GTA would be such a franchise, which is why I'm stepping back. If it IS PS3 exclusive like Izzy said, that'd be enough to make sure the distance is secured.
WULFER said:
Well no Square's service is still running through their PlayOnline service... so like the EA negotiations MS has loosened some of the previous restrictions... there is an XBL connection, but then the game is run through the PlayOnline service just like the PC and PS counterparts... and it goes further because its' PROBABLY the first title that has cross-play with the PC and the Playstation 2. ....and what does this say about Sony's online plans? Not much considering FFXI has been online for the PS2 for a bit now....
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Monk said:
The PS3 is smaller than the original Xbox.
WULFER said:
Indeed, and now is absolutely not the time to cash out - if anything, you can double up and make a fortune.
Monk said:
Xbox is too big, and it seems so is PS3.
However, the only people making a bigger deal out of it were fanboys. In reality, it probably had a minimal impact on sales either way
sonycowboy
Member
Amir0x said:
It's not so crazy to think that the PS3 will cost more than the Xbox360. My bet right now would be that it will be $50 more and that Sony will market it as an upgrade over the Xbox360 & that it's a Blu-Ray player (to justify the price, which will solely be because it costs so much to make)
WULFER said:
Doom_Bringer
Banned
BigBoss said:
of the PC version! It looked good.
Monk said:
Size doesn't matter. Xbox was huge and ugly and Gamecube looked like a tiffin box. PS3 might be huge but at least it looks good.
sonycowboy said:
I just don't think consumers in the US are willing to accept a console for, say, 50 dollars over the premium (say, if Xbox360 is 299, that'd put PS3 at 349.99... or if Xbox360 was 349.99, that'd put PS3 at 399.99). There's a line I think that will be drawn from "product that must be in every living room" to "luxury product that's just out of a price range". And while hardcore gamers are the ones who usually buy systems at launch, I think it can definitely damage long-term perception.
Pedigree Chum
Banned
WULFER said:
Actually FFXI on X360 circumvents Live completely, that's the only way they got them to sign up. I says absolutely nothing about Sony's PS3 online plan.
Ummm, as far as I know there is Cell silicon, and one of the reasons the launch systems are in the 90nm process is to have more predictable and steady yields rather than trying to push it and start out at 65(4?)nm.
MS finally gave in and is allowing Square-Enix to completely bypass Live with FFXI, that's what changed.
MS finally gave in and is allowing Square-Enix to completely bypass Live with FFXI, that's what changed.