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[John Harker]

Message boards don't represent the real world John.

No, I know.
But we are considered "hardcore, early adopters" and are the target market for all launches. Thats why systems come out at so much money, then drop only a few months later - after we've bought them.

But, like I said, since we are the market that launching companies cater to with shows like E3, and press interviews, and information leaked, and so on (average consumers don't read or look at any of this) we are what everyone is fighting over right now, before the marketing blitz begins.

So I think its a pretty fair question to ask here if anyones minds have been changed about anything. I'm hardcore, but I know for a fact I won't be getting all three systems. My current plan is Rev at launch, PS3 during holidays. It was reversed before E3. So.... yours?

 

[trmas]

Actually, E3 turned me off the 360. TGS will probably help to turn me back, but the only game I currently even remotely care about for the 360 is Gears of War. Must be the graphic whore in me.

Nintendo was smart to hold their cards, because I'm still interested. As for the PS3, I was blown away, and the BR player seals that purchase at launch.

 

[wldrhino]

.... With all of this.... this is why I am getting a XBOX360 & PS3. I know PS3 will do good, but I want the XBOX360 to catch up...

 

[thorns]

oh and GTA is coming to PS3 according to Izzy. Kaz also mentioned that during the Sony press conference.

No shit, that's like saying Halo 3 is coming to Xbox 360 :lol
Take Two hasn't decided if it'll be exclusive or not, they might as well make it a simultaneous multiplatform release. They're going to see the userbases in 2 years before they launch a GTA.

We don't know who's going to "win" yet. It is by no means certain, there are too many unknowns. Hell, everyone was saying PSP was goign to destroy DS etc. and look at what happened.

My predictions:
I think X360 will be very successfull in US, successful in Europe (more than xbox) and somewhat niche success in japan, but much better than what xbox did.. MS has crated a pure games machine with a LOT of horsepower, unlike PS3, you don't pay for blu-ray, gigabit switch, dual hd output etc. Funny but it might be actually MS controlling pricing next gen.

Revolution will be very successfull in japan (small size and everything, and japanese consumers are not graphic whores, see PSP vs. DS) , but will have a hard time fending off the kiddy image in US and Europe..

PS3 will be of course successful, but not as big success as PS1 or PS2, it's too big, too many ports, too much extra stuff which will decrease its value as a games machine. Sony is basically trying to give you a PC. Kutaragi's comments make think that if they're gonna be a BMW with a ferrari, it will cost more than their competition.

Basically I think no console next-gen will be as big as PS2 or PS1 was, the market will be more evenly split.

 

[TTP]

PS3 will be of course successful, but not as big success as PS1 or PS2, it's too big, too many ports, too much extra stuff which will decrease its value as a games machine.

How? Just wondering how size, ports and "extra stuff" decrease a system value as a game machine. 'cos more ports and DVD-Video functionality hardly did that for the PS2.

 

[Amir0x]

How? Just wondering how size, ports and "extra stuff" decrease a system value as a game machine. 'cos more ports and DVD-Video functionality hardly did that for the PS2.

I suppose part of thorns reply is working off the myth that Japanese gamers rejected the Xbox in large part because of its huge size.

 

[TTP]

Probably, albeit I believe it was more a matter of aesthetics rather than dimension per se. The Xbox is honestly "non-japanese" in terms of design.

 

[thorns]

How? Just wondering how size, ports and "extra stuff" decrease a system value as a game machine. 'cos more ports and DVD-Video functionality hardly did that for the PS2.

I'm not talking about size affecting value there. What I meant is most of the consumers are going to be paying for things they'll never use (blu-ray, gigabit switch, dual hd outputs).

 

[TTP]

Oh I see your point. But what if the system launches at the "standard Sony magic price" of 39.800 yen / 299 dollars? Will they care?

 

[Bebpo]

I'm not talking about size affecting value there. What I meant is most of the consumers are going to be paying for things they'll never use (blu-ray, gigabit switch, dual hd outputs).

If it's released at $299 and the Xbox360 is also $299 will anyone feel like they are paying extra for things they don't need? Will people be bitching "Oh man, I wish they could've cut the blue-ray so I could get my PS3 for $200" and will the same people be bitching at MS saying "I wish they could've dropped the wireless controller ports so I could've payed $250!"?

The whole selective view of the xbot is lost on me :\

 

[Krowley]

If it's released at $299 and the Xbox360 is also $299 will anyone feel like they are paying extra for things they don't need? Will people be bitching "Oh man, I wish they could've cut the blue-ray so I could get my PS3 for $200" and will the same people be bitching at MS saying "I wish they could've dropped the wireless controller ports so I could've payed $250!"?

The whole selective view of the xbot is lost on me :\

i think the general concern is that it wont be 299, but maybe something like 399. Thats what i expect. All the sony interviews latley sound like they are prepping people to pay a higher price. If they want to lose market share next gen, they couldn't have picked a better way. The features that could raise the price are not features that are worth it to many gamers.

if they launch at 299 then there is no issue. if they launch at 399, every game better look as good as the killzone render. Blue ray, and ten million ports doesn't nessecarily translate into better games, and GAMES are what sell game consoles. If you plan to charge 100 bucks more, your games better look like they are worth 100 dollars more than your competitions games. if nintendo manages semi comparable graphics and gameplay with a 200 dollar system (or even cheaper), sony will look even worse.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I suppose part of thorns reply is working off the myth that Japanese gamers rejected the Xbox in large part because of its huge size.

Not a full myth, just one that got blown out proportion. There were a few surveys when the XBox launched and that was one of the key messages. The other was, "no fucking games we care about" but for some reason the size one stuck around.

 

[Amir0x]

Not a full myth, just one that got blown out proportion. There were a few surveys when the XBox launched and that was one of the key messages. The other was, "no fucking games we care about" but for some reason the size one stuck around.

No matter what you try to convince yourself of, it had essentially nothing to do with the size. That's just the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Japanese people will buy a system the size of the fucking Brooklyn Bridge with the american flag plastered on the god-damned plastic and exhaust pipes strutting from its side as long as it has several key franchises that they cannot live without. Size has nothing to do with it, and I guarantee you PS3 will prove this in Japan.

 

[thorns]

Oh I see your point. But what if the system launches at the "standard Sony magic price" of 39.800 yen / 299 dollars? Will they care?

Well if they both launch at the same price then it doesn't matter obviously, but with comments like "ours will be a ferrari compared to an every day car" doesn't exactly make me think that it'll be the same price.
Personally I would rather get a hard drive than a blu-ray and all the other extra stuff. I live in Europe and I know a lot of people with xboxes and playstations, but noone that has an high-def tv, let alone two of them.

Also DVD and Blu-ray are not comparable. DVD is the next VHS, and will last for at least 10-15 more years, while Blu-Ray is something a great majority (I would say more than 90%, i don't know how many people have high-defs, but it's pretty close to zero here in europe which has a population far greater than US) of people can't even take advantage of.

Oh yeah and Kutaragi should do away with his god amongst men attitude. No company/person is invulnerable.

 

[Bebpo]

i think the general concern is that it wont be 299, but maybe something like 399. Thats what i expect. All the sony interviews latley sound like they are prepping people to pay a higher price. If they want to lose market share next gen, they couldn't have picked a better way. The features that would could raise the price are not features that are worth it to many gamers.

if they launch at 299 then their is no issue.

People are forgetting that the majority of the interviews with Sony are done in Japan for the Japanese market. Japan PS3 launch will be months before the US one. I would put money down on that. Because of this they are focusing on talking about the PS3's launch in Japan where it will debut. Kutaragi has already said it won't be above 40000yen which means it won't cost more than the PS2 did at launch. If the system is going to cost exactly the same as the PS2 at launch in Japan, why is it so tough to believe it will launch at exactly the same price as the PS2 launched in the US?

 

[TTP]

i think the general concern is that it wont be 299, but maybe something like 399. Thats what i expect. All the sony interviews latley sound like they are prepping people to pay a higher price. If they want to lose market share next gen, they couldn't have picked a better way. The features that could raise the price are not features that are worth it to many gamers.

if they launch at 299 then their is no issue.

True, but I don't really think people will point at a couple of ports on the back as the reason for that high price anyway. They may very well "justify" the price assuming its all dependant on the "REALITY BECOMES DIGITAL OMGWTFBBQ!"-level graphics. Which is similar to the reaction to the PSP launch price. I don't recall complains about the price based on its extra gaming features.

 

[Krowley]

People are forgetting that the majority of the interviews with Sony are done in Japan for the Japanese market. Japan PS3 launch will be months before the US one. I would put money down on that. Because of this they are focusing on talking about the PS3's launch in Japan where it will debut. Kutaragi has already said it won't be above 40000yen which means it won't cost more than the PS2 did at launch. If the system is going to cost exactly the same as the PS2 at launch in Japan, why is it so tough to believe it will launch at exactly the same price as the PS2 launched in the US?

i'm pretty sure, in terms of tech, sony is stuffing the ps3 with WAY more tech in a relative sense than the ps2. I'm pretty sure this console is gonna cost a LOT more to manufacture than the ps2 did when it launched, and a 299 us launch price will result in sony taking a bigger loss. they might do it, and i hope they do, but i don't expect it.

edit// i think they believe their own hype... They think the sony name will sell the console no matter what.

 

[TTP]

Well if they both launch at the same price then it doesn't matter obviously, but with comments like "ours will be a ferrari compared to an every day car" doesn't exactly make me think that it'll be the same price.
Personally I would rather get a hard drive than a blu-ray and all the other extra stuff. I live in Europe and I know a lot of people with xboxes and playstations, but noone that has an high-def tv, let alone two of them.

Agreed, but let's not forget that you can use that dual screen feature with PC monitors and standard CRT TVs too. Not that I'm excited about it tho. I think it's unnecessary and I wonder why they even made that big deal about it the Sony's Press Conf.

Also DVD and Blu-ray are not comparable. DVD is the next VHS, and will last for at least 10-15 more years, while Blu-Ray is something a great majority (I would say more than 90%, i don't know how many people have high-defs, but it's pretty close to zero here in europe which has a population far greater than US) of people can't even take advantage of.

Allright, but we should make a distinction within that "people" category. Are u talking about casual gamers or hardcore gamers? 'cos going by what I'm reading on this forum (as well as my experience with fellow passionate gameplayers) most of us are already looking at an HDTV solution in preparation for the "HD era".

Oh yeah and Kutaragi should do away with his god amongst men attitude. No company/person is invulnerable.

The panda is a protected breed.

 

[Bebpo]

Sony would shoot themselves multiple times in both legs if it meant winning the console war by a large margin again.

This is what MS lacks this time around IMO. With the Xbox they took this line of thinking and said "screw money, were gonna make something badass even if we lose millions of dollars" because they really wanted their foot in the door. Going by the percentages it worked and paid off. This time around they said "well lets make something awesome but within these budget limits" and it's gonna hurt them in the long run IMO.

Personally I think MS should've waited on the whole "making money" front until Xbox3rd.

 

[thorns]

Sony would shoot themselves multiple times in both legs if it meant winning the console war by a large margin again.

This is what MS lacks this time around IMO. With the Xbox they took this line of thinking and said "screw money, were gonna make something badass even if we lose millions of dollars" because they really wanted their foot in the door. Going by the percentages it worked and paid off. This time around they said "well lets make something awesome but within these budget limits" and it's gonna hurt them in the long run IMO.

Personally I think MS should've waited on the whole "making money" front until Xbox3rd.

You don't think Xbox 360 is an impressive hardware, considering it's coming out in all regions this year? It's more impressive than Xbox 1 was in its time compared to the PC stuff. I think it's ridiculous to say they didn't spend much money on it.

I mean they have three top of the line processors that are orders of magnitude faster than your average pc processor, and a GPU that's faster than $300-400 graphics cards you can buy right now.

 

[TTP]

i'm pretty sure, in terms of tech, sony is stuffing the ps3 with WAY more tech in a relative sense than the ps2. I'm pretty sure this console is gonna cost a LOT more to manufacture than the ps2 did when it launched, and a 299 us launch price will result in sony taking a bigger loss. they might do it, and i hope they do, but i don't expect it.

edit// i think they believe their own hype... They think the sony name will sell the console no matter what.

Who could disagree with that? Edit: albeit it's not "Sony" but "PlayStation" the name you are probably referring to.

Anyway, about the manufacturing cost, I think you are right. There is so much stuff in there thay are gonna be at loss for a decade. :lol But, I wonder if they can somehow sustain those costs via the PSone, PS2 and PSP software businesses. Just like Nintendo basically did with their GB line.

 

[Amir0x]

I mean they have three top of the line processors that are orders of magnitude faster than your average pc processor, and a GPU that's faster than $300-400 graphics cards you can buy right now.

Uh-oh, even thorn is in on the PR buzzwords!

 

[rc213]

I mean they have three top of the line processors that are orders of magnitude faster than your average pc processor, and a GPU that's faster than $300-400 graphics cards you can buy right now.

And yet somehow Microsoft is going to magically produce these so cheap that X360 at a $299 price point is just right for them but business suicide for Sony and the PS3? Doesnt add up.

EDIT: Panajev2001a hit the nail on the head with his post earlier.

If we get started and quoted all the specs of the Xbox 360 in detail we can make it sound expensive too .

512 MB of 22+ GB/s GDDR3 is going to be cheap ? A triple-core CPU with 1 MB of fast L2 on-chip, uber-enhanced VMX units (the 64-bits Power PC core is the hottest and larget single component in the CELL based Broadband Engine MPU too), next-generation WGF 2.0 oriented GPU wholly separated from their new consumer GPU R520, embedded HDD, non-standard Wireless technology for controllers, interface ready for external WiFi adaptor (which we all like to buy extra... where are the people crying foul for this ?), etc... all much cheaper ?

On Xbox 360 all components are necessary and cheap to manufacture (hey, the MS guy says they are so), on PlayStation 3 they are unnecessary and uber-expensive (hey, it is again the same MS guy, why shouldn't we trust him again ?)... I get how the song goes.

If we do not know exactly how much is it going to cost to include BD-ROM technology (mind you of any CD+DVD+BD monolithic solution they have developed with the exact idea of reducing manufacturing costs of a BD-ROM player with backward-compatibility with CD's and DVD's) then should we really just assume it's uber expensive and that it just has to bankrupt Sony/SCE ?

If you look at reality a bit more, you will discover that both the Broadband Engine CPU and the RSX GPU are more cost-conscious than you might think: they will be shipping with a tried and tested manufacturing process (90 nm: already used in SCE's fabs for the EE+GS@90 nm chip and for PSP's SoC core) with several months of additional time over Microsoft for tuning their process for higher yields. Not to mention how CELL processors were available to developers before the Xbox 360 CPU was finally ready to be included in official SDK's (Alias had a CELL processor to play with since last Winter).

Personally I like both Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 as I am a believer of Pervasive Computing and of fast and versatile CE devices being Living Room Media Hubs and doing it well.

Where is the praise for Sony/SCE for supporting STANDARDS such as Compact Flash, Secure Digital or SD, OpenGL ES 2.0, Cg, COLLADA, USB 2.0, BlueTooth, etc... in addition to their EVIL proprietary formats ?

 

[DDayton]

Oh, this will be interesting...

Blue Ray won't be the casual gamer draw that DVD playback was, so this will all come down to the game consoles as game consoles.

 

[mrklaw]

First Play - MS launches first, gets their foot in the door early, needs to sell as many as possible before the PS3 comes in blazing

Its a good advantage. Its also a potential disadvantage.

Best case, MS emulate DS and have a great start, hit the ground running blah blah.

Worst case, MS spends 6 months showing people what HD gaming can offer, and how great the next generation can be. Then PS3 arrives just as the consumers have been sold on the idea of the next generation and are opening their wallets.

A lot of MS' success is riding on consumers being ready for the next gen. Arguably PS2 owners might be, but then they are more likely to wait for PS3. Xbox owners may be happy with their current purchase - its more powerful than PS2, so the difference to Xbox 360 won't be as obvious. Xbox owners will have had their machine for less time than PS2 generally.

 

[Cold-Steel]

Ultimately, games versus games sounds about right for next generation.

The 360 is a leap in technology ahead, yet only today's standards for consoles being put into play and enhanced.

I mean, honestly is there anything really new about the 360 that isn't already being achieved on some level this generation? Graphics? Physics? This stuff isn't new.

Live? We've already got it, maybe not as advanced or streamlined - but can that really justify a new purchase?

Wireless controllers? It's already out there, you just have to pay for it - same practice.

The PS3 (and likely Revolution) will offer almost everything the 360 offers.

This is a battle about games. Specs will only play in Sony's advantage here guys.

Backwards compatibililty? Sony and Nintendo have got it, big time.

Where is Microsoft on their progress? Why aren't they forthcoming about it? Why only top selling titles? What defines a top-selling title?

How do you tell publishers that only MS games will be backwards compatible on the 360? (if that seems to be the case)

The ultimate deciding factor will be whether Microsoft can convince current (or forthcoming Xbox console owners) to fork over for the 360 when they can ultimately have the same thing for less.

The leap to next generation is not as epic as some have come to expect.

 

[DarienA]

Well, if Square turned M$ down so quickly last time why bother this gen. My question is do you think this shows a little less faith in Sony's online plan or maybe Sony hasn't shown Square-Enix a plan yet. I don't expect facts I don't thinks there is any to find.

Why do you seem to keep missing the XBL is bypassed now portion? MS was allowing NO one to bypass XBL when they went through this first round of sign ups... no one... EA was the first to get a slight pass... Square is the first to get a LARGER pass.

 

[robertsan21]

ok i am now worried what did Iwata mean when he said this about the PS3


"And yet, it has no use for people that aren't playing with a high-definition TV set."


I have a normal tv its brand new but its not a 100 hertz tv its a normal one, wont i be able to play the games on it?

i am not a tech guy so i dont know these things, can someone explain this thing to me so i can understand what the hell he is talking about?

please post a picture of a highdef tv screen compared to a normal tv screen.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Oh, this will be interesting...

Blue Ray won't be the casual gamer draw that DVD playback was, so this will all come down to the game consoles as game consoles.

Indeed...unless there's a fuck-ton of movies to be released on it next year...at prices that are competitive with DVDs. Porn could well push the medium, but who wants to see all of those stretch marks and surgery-scars in all of their hi-def glory?

 

[OmniGamer]

Rericing...I think Sony will just do what they did last time in the US...Launch at $299, but also stay at that price point for a considerable amount of time...perhaps even longer than the PS2 was at $299. It's so feature-rich, that it can command that price, especially if standalone Blu-Ray players are priced higher.

 

[Lord Error]

Some thoughts:

- In real life PS3 looks (very) expensive, just by looking at it. Several factors attribute to that, and pictures can't convey that fully. Let's just say Xbox 360 does not look like that. It's kinda simillar situation as with design of PSP vs NDS, except this time they will most likely both have the same price, and new Xbox is not looking NDS cheap, but still just not as expensive as PS3.

- PS3 is also by no means huge. My estimation is that it's slightly bigger than the old PS2. It is smaller than the Xbox 1, and obviously much ahead of it in terms of design.

- Despite what Bach might say, BR is a very big advantage. Especially if they put a 4x model that reads BR media faster than 12x DVD. That way, games will benefit from higher drive speed and larger storage space. Even if they just put 1x BRD, that's a major consumer cost saving right there for anyone interested in watching movies the best way possible. If the implementation is good enough, AV enthusiasts will be singing praises to this left and right, and positive mindshare from vocal minority is always a good thing that spreads easily over to casual majority.

- Despite what Kutaragi says, six months of sales advantage, over holidays at that, is not something to be scoffed at. They will have some big catching up to do, how long it will take is another matter. Will their early manufacturing be good enough to produce PS3 in massive enough volumes? They still have problems meeting PSP demand, and PS3 will most likey be selling a lot more.

 

[robertsan21]

can no one answer my question?

 

[TTP]

can no one answer my question?

You'll be able to play ur games on your TV no problem. The "only" thing you are gonna miss is the ability to look at those game at a higher resolution.

 

[robertsan21]

You'll be play ur games on your TV no problem. The "only" thing you are gonna miss is the ability to look at those game at a higher resolution.

thats great to know, but can you show me what a high res game looks like on a high rez TV, compared to a High rez game on a normal tv?

any one has pictures on that?

and another thing, when Sony had the press conference they showed a picture of spider man and how it looked like on psone, and then they started to talk about PS2 and you saw a little bit more of the spiderman picture and then they talked about PS3 and they showed the entire spider man picture, i didnt get that at all.
what where they talking about?

 

[Nin_Fan]

Don't worry there is no way sony is going to require people to have HD set to play the PS3. But I do think they are going to try to get people to buy new TVs since they are in the business of selling TVs. Also the main difference between a regular tv is the resolution, TV is 640x480 and HD is either 1920 x 1080 or 1280×720. Just image a tv with the resolution of your pc monitor.

 

[Nin_Fan]

All they were talking about was the difference in resolution and they were using the picture to give people an idea of how they have progressed. PSONE games 340x240 PS2 640x480 PS3 1920x1080

 

[TTP]

thats great to know, but can you show me what a high res game looks like on a high rez TV, compared to a High rez game on a normal tv?

any one has pictures on that?

I dont have any, but it's like the difference (in resolution) between this pic...

and what it actually looks like on your TV.

and another thing, when Sony had the press conference they showed a picture of spider man and how it looked like on psone, and then they started to talk about PS2 and you saw a little bit more of the spiderman picture and then they talked about PS3 and they showed the entire spider man picture, i didnt get that at all.
what where they talking about?

I think you are puzzled by the fact that the bigger the Spider-Man picture got the more of the scene was shown. Actually, HD doesn't mean that you'll be able to see more stuff (a bit like 16:9 games allow you to see more stuff on the sides than you normally would on a 4:3 TV). No, that example was indeed misleading. Just ignore it.

 

[robertsan21]

I dont have any, but it's like the difference (in resolution) between this pic...

and what it actually looks like on your TV.




I think you are puzzled by the fact that the bigger the Spider-Man picture got the more of the scene was shown. Actually, HD doesn't mean that you'll be able to see more stuff (a bit like 16:9 games allow you to see more stuff on the sides than you normally would on a 4:3 TV). No, that example was indeed misleading. Just ignore it.

ah okej so a HD tv is like playing on a monitor.

thanks guys you helped me out alot, now i think i know a bit more about this HD thing.
so now i just have to buy a HD tv, HD tv is the same as 100 hertz tv right?

 

[Shompola]

no HDTV is not 100hz. 100hz refresh thing is a fake method to make a picture more stable, less flickery.. HDTV basicly means a higher resolution, more/smaller pixels on the screen at the same time than before.

 

[robertsan21]

no HDTV is not 100hz. 100hz refresh thing is a fake method to make a picture more stable, less flickery.. HDTV basicly means a higher resolution, more/smaller pixels on the screen at the same time than before.

wooow i did not know that.


this is a HD tv?
Philips 42PF9966

and this is not a HD tv
LG RZ-42PX11

 

[Go Go Ackman!]

No shit, that's like saying Halo 3 is coming to Xbox 360 :lol
Take Two hasn't decided if it'll be exclusive or not, they might as well make it a simultaneous multiplatform release. They're going to see the userbases in 2 years before they launch a GTA.

Really? Why does Take Two release on PS2 before Xbox this generation? Based on their successes this gen, why make changes to a (massively) winning formula? Do you think your analysis and predictions are superior to those of Take Two? Do you think games can be ported as quickly and easily from PS3 to Xbox360 as they were PS2 to Xbox? Think hard.

We don't know who's going to "win" yet. It is by no means certain, there are too many unknowns. Hell, everyone was saying PSP was goign to destroy DS etc. and look at what happened.

DS is hardly destroying PSP, in terms of developer support or otherwise.

My predictions:
I think X360 will be very successfull in US, successful in Europe (more than xbox) and somewhat niche success in japan, but much better than what xbox did.

Reasonable assumptions.

MS has crated a pure games machine with a LOT of horsepower, unlike PS3, you don't pay for blu-ray, gigabit switch, dual hd output etc. Funny but it might be actually MS controlling pricing next gen.

YOU ARE NOT PAYING MORE FOR THESE FEATURES, GOD DAMMIT! Not every person lives in minimum wage-land, and being a "price leader" didn't stop Xbox from trampling gamecube in the recent sales wars. Look at console sales in this recent war - people are looking for superior hardware (xbox) or superior library (ps2). Given that we're not seeing any square-jumping-to-playstation type moves, and we can presume that developers will allocate software support based on trends established in the previous generation (where ps2 leads in software sales hands down), PS3 should have both advantages. Use your head for christ's sakes.

PS3 will be of course successful, but not as big success as PS1 or PS2, it's too big, too many ports, too much extra stuff which will decrease its value as a games machine. Sony is basically trying to give you a PC. Kutaragi's comments make think that if they're gonna be a BMW with a ferrari, it will cost more than their competition.

Have you seen the PS3? Held it? Compared it in size to anything other than a tiny japanese man's upper body in pictures? How do you know it won't be successful, given its known merits? How does extra features DECREASE its value as a games machine? Wasn't the xbox "basically a PC"? What does it matter if it costs more than Xbox360 to make, when they create several revenue streams in the process (bluray and HDTV sales, hi-def cables, etc)? Do you think before you post at all?

Basically I think no console next-gen will be as big as PS2 or PS1 was, the market will be more evenly split.

Stay in school, kid.

 

[Shompola]

Really? Why does Take Two release on PS2 before Xbox this generation? Based on their successes this gen, why make changes to a (massively) winning formula? Do you think your analysis and predictions are superior to those of Take Two? Do you think games can be ported as quickly and easily from PS3 to Xbox360 as they were PS2 to Xbox? Think hard.

Well he is basicly quoting what Take 2 said in an interview not very long time ago.

 

[Nin_Fan]

thats great to know, but can you show me what a high res game looks like on a high rez TV, compared to a High rez game on a normal tv?

any one has pictures on that?

and another thing, when Sony had the press conference they showed a picture of spider man and how it looked like on psone, and then they started to talk about PS2 and you saw a little bit more of the spiderman picture and then they talked about PS3 and they showed the entire spider man picture, i didnt get that at all.
what where they talking about?

I have made a simulation of what the difference playing the same game on different tvs.

[/IMG]
that would be a HD set

[/IMG]
this is what a regular tv might look like

 

[Bebpo]

A normal TV adds scanlines ?

 

[thorns]

Really? Why does Take Two release on PS2 before Xbox this generation? Based on their successes this gen, why make changes to a (massively) winning formula? Do you think your analysis and predictions are superior to those of Take Two? Do you think games can be ported as quickly and easily from PS3 to Xbox360 as they were PS2 to Xbox? Think hard.

Because PS2 has ~40 million (not counting japan, since it's not GTA's main market) consoles more than Xbox has? It's a big unknown if PS3 is going to have even 2x the number of consoles in the west when GTA is going to release. Take Two are not fanboys, they will do what makes the most business sense at the time.

DS is hardly destroying PSP, in terms of developer support or otherwise.

I didn't say that. What people said was PSP was going to destroy DS and it's not happening. There can more alternatives than one hardware completely destroying the other one. The unbeatable and godly playstation brand is not enough to PSP's fly off the shelves apparently.

YOU ARE NOT PAYING MORE FOR THESE FEATURES, GOD DAMMIT! Not every person lives in minimum wage-land, and being a "price leader" didn't stop Xbox from trampling gamecube in the recent sales wars. Look at console sales in this recent war - people are looking for superior hardware (xbox) or superior library (ps2). Given that we're not seeing any square-jumping-to-playstation type moves, and we can presume that developers will allocate software support based on trends established in the previous generation (where ps2 leads in software sales hands down), PS3 should have both advantages. Use your head for christ's sakes.

Have you seen the PS3? Held it? Compared it in size to anything other than a tiny japanese man's upper body in pictures? How do you know it won't be successful, given its known merits? How does extra features DECREASE its value as a games machine? Wasn't the xbox "basically a PC"? What does it matter if it costs more than Xbox360 to make, when they create several revenue streams in the process (bluray and HDTV sales, hi-def cables, etc)? Do you think before you post at all?

How do you know you're NOT paying for these features? Well I'll eat crow if PS3 is priced same as x360, but if not then my point stands. The PS3 will be successfull among the high-end AV crowd for sure, but the mainstream consumer is an entirely different beast.

 

[Ranger X]

Not really. It's all about the games! Xbox 360 will have a six months lead on PS3 and if the DS/PSP battle is any indication, PS3 will have a tough time catching up to 360. Plus add the fact that MS is planning to release Gears of War on 'emergence day' which will probably look better than all PS3 launch games. MS also might unleash the Halo 3 marketing campaign around PS3 launch. Those two alone might have a bad effect on PS3 sales.

I think PS3 will have a tough time catching upto Xbox 360 sales.

I'm not even done reading this thread but i had to comment here. Sorry it's been a while you posted but there's an EXTREMELY HUGE difference between the PSP/DS war and the 360/PS3 war. The PSP isn't supported by a 80 000 000 userbase and many successfull franchises like the PS3 is. This will make a huge difference on the outcome. The Ps3 is having all the chances to perform 2 times better against the 360 than the PSP against the DS.

 

[Nin_Fan]

A normal TV adds scanlines ?

Yeah a regular TV would have scanlines. Unless you have a Enhance TV that shows 480p.

 

[DarienA]

How do you know you're NOT paying for these features? Well I'll eat crow if PS3 is priced same as x360, but if not then my point stands. The PS3 will be successfull among the high-end AV crowd for sure, but the mainstream consumer is an entirely different beast.

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PS3 will be of course successful, but not as big success as PS1 or PS2, it's too big, too many ports, too much extra stuff which will decrease its value as a games machine. Sony is basically trying to give you a PC. Kutaragi's comments make think that if they're gonna be a BMW with a ferrari, it will cost more than their competition.

Hey thorn can you give me a list of all this extra expensive stuff that's on the PS3? Cause USB slots and card reading slots are not expensive.

 

[Ranger X]

I've been thinking about the storage formats for awhile, and how can you not be excited to have a system packed with Blu Ray instead of regular DVD? We may be getting some HUGE game worlds next gen pushed with hi res next generation graphics and sound. What if a game ends up being 20 GIGS? 30 GIGS? 40 GIGS? I can play the game seamlessly on PS3. Am I going to have to constantly switch discs in a next gen GTA style game on X360 because the storage format is limited to 9 GIGS? Or do X360 owners get games compressed to hell like some current Gamecube games?

My biggest beef with the X360 is its tiny storage format compared to the competition.

Think about Madden 2007. EA has access to NFL archives now with that sweet deal they made. Think about all the extra stuff EA is going to be able to pile onto the PS3 version of Madden 2007 since it'll have about 50 GIGS of space to use. You'll need 5 Xbox 360 DVD discs to replicate the same.

We don't even need that much storage. It takes people, time and money to fill those 20 gig. Do you want games to take 3 years to develop and games that last 120 hours but with 90 hours of filler stuff? And publishers taking even less risk about game designs because it's omgwtf-long and costly to make a game?

I personally wish games next gen are 20-30 hours stuff and they should invest time and money into making my experience incredible instead or anything else. There's already enough filling in games nowadays, i doubt we need more of that.

 

[PhatSaqs]

We don't even need that much storage. It takes people, time and money to fill those 20 gig. Do you want games to take 3 years to develop and games that last 120 hours but with 90 hours of filler stuff? And publishers taking even less risk about game designs because it's omgwtf-long and costly to make a game?

I personally wish games next gen are 20-30 hours stuff and they should invest time and money into making my experience incredible instead or anything else. There's already enough filling in games nowadays, i doubt we need more of that.

I agree with this. Personally, I think the sweet spot is even a little shorter. 12-20 hours is the perfect game length IMO.