Brofist
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Are you kidding me, I'd rather instantaneous shit
Burrito Bandito
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to be fair, the xbox brand went from non-existant to a dominant force in the console space within one generation due to the quality of their exclusives.
xb1/ps4 era was the first era where sony clearly dominated in the exclusives area. so its not unrealistic at all to believe that the xbox can equal sony this gen with exclusives.
i can understand being skeptical but its far from set in stone.
Burrito Bandito
Banned
you cant really be that impatient can you? i mean, 4 seconds isnt worth higher fidelity?
Imtjnotu
Member
Oh so you know the load times. Sweet
Agnostic2020
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For now all that is confirmed is that xsx is 10 second and ps5 is 0.8 second. Yea i rather faster than 18% higher resolution but thats just me
sircaw
Banned
I am exactly the opposite. For me, having load times banished has been my number one peeve for years.
However saying that, the quick resume function for 4 or so games on Microsoft system really excites me.
I do play different games at different stages, sometimes weeks apart and the quick resume feature microsoft had shown, although not instant is absolutely killer compared to how i game now on my pro.
Its not perfect but damn its good.
Neo Blaster
Member
FeiRR
Banned
Be careful with the word 'fidelity' because it's dangerously closely related to letters S, S and D
geordiemp
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I would rather have better image quality and next gen looking high quality asset games like the UE5 demo than current gen looking games scaled up to give a bigger number closer to 4K and still looking much worse..
So at the moment I favour the more powerful Ps5 until XSX can show its next gen abilities.
MasterCornholio
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No advantages then lists some pretty cool advantages.
I will say this I don't think too many 3rd party devs will use a ton of their resources tweaking games for the superior SSD.
I believe we will only really see it shine in 1st party titles.
But even those non advantage advantages he listed I am good with
From what I have been reading it sounds like 3rd parties don't have to do much to take advantage of the SSD. This isn't something like CELL where they have to change the code alot just to reap the benefits. Most of the customized hardware is there to aid developers with Sonys I/O solution.
I'm not saying they will vastly change the games design for Sonys SSD but there will be some apparent advantages with it.
The end goal for MS is even if you’re walking right instead of left you’re are still engaging in MS route. Ear me out. MS doesnt care if u buy a xbox or a ps5. As long as you play. Soon you’ll play Sony exclusive via Azure Cloud. And if you wanna play game n dont link console well you play in PC and i dont have to tell you’re already in MS lane. And im not even talking about those third parties development kit every gaming company use that is own by MS. N for next gen we do need to praise Sony cause they made a console that can give just as good or maybe even better result then MS consoles but we need to praise MS to. The console they made is quite a beast. Both will be amazing and both will have advantages. But of u wanna talk about who as being winning gaming, trust when l say MS as being on top of gaming for while.. they just control ln the shadow. Ilumati shit 
MasterCornholio
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Imagine a game like Bloodborne where you die alot or a huge openworld game where you fast travel alot.
I'm in favor of instant loading over a small resolution difference. As long as it isn't native 1080P vs Native 4K kind of a difference I'm fine with it.
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Neo_game
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PS3 had far superior exclusives than 360. It was even better than PS4 IMO.
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Bo_Hazem
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Actually 360 launched one full year ahead and it was pirated easily and here we find full games at launched sold for around $2.6 (1 OMR) each. PS3 was unbreakable at that time and was pretty expensive but still excelled and surpassed 360.
Its about steadier frames for me give me 4 seconds than random frame drops and slow down that comes with and dying. When the PS5 is the tf base line later in the generation when push hard the series x will have 2tf in the back pocket and CPU power that the gpu has not stolen to keep frames up. I'll get those 4 seconds back by not dying from frame drops and slow down.
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Thirty7ven
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360 had better exclusives lol
Maybe in its first two or three years then it was downhill until present time. It has been more than a decade of absolute mediocrity.
Hats off to the Xbox fans who didn’t jump ship with the Xbox one, took a lot of love.
And even if it were only twice the speed at a OS level and loading, that would be worth more than a few extra shiny pixels you won’t notice playing from the couch.
Maybe in its first two or three years then it was downhill until present time. It has been more than a decade of absolute mediocrity.
Hats off to the Xbox fans who didn’t jump ship with the Xbox one, took a lot of love.
And even if it were only twice the speed at a OS level and loading, that would be worth more than a few extra shiny pixels you won’t notice playing from the couch.
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Radical_3d
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Bloody youngsters!3 more pages for my birthday.
JareBear: Remastered
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Never thought a thread could make me feel old just by its page count.
Bo_Hazem
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Radical_3d
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No white hairs in the beard = effing kids.
pawel86ck
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If certain calculation requires lets say 18 TF GPU power, then there's nothing you can do on much weaker GPU (like 10 TF for exampe) if you want to do the exactly the same calculation. You can however try different calculation and use clever tricks. so the end result will not only look better but also run much better. Do you know how famous battlefield RTX patch improved performance so much? They simply reduced the amount of rays, but in such a way to not make it obvious.
UE5 tech demo use clever real time GI method with very good results, but it's not using the same amount of RT calculations like for example Control with RTX on and especially Minecraft RTX. Overall UE5 looks extremely impressive, but only because Epic is using clever tricks. Optimization is not magic and you dont get more performance for free. I'm sure UE5 will look even better if they would use full RT, but for performance reasons they arnt using it right now.
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Codeblew
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I wouldn't notice slightly higher resolution (say 1600 vs 1440). Especially since it will be downscaled to 1080p on my TV.
ethomaz
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No load times is how games should ever be.
You don't have any ideia how boring wait games load each transition is a pain for these these that played pre-PS1 consoles.
BTW the resolution bump this time is probably 200p max.
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No advantages then lists some pretty cool advantages.
I will say this I don't think too many 3rd party devs will use a ton of their resources tweaking games for the superior SSD.
I believe we will only really see it shine in 1st party titles.
But even those non advantage advantages he listed I am good with
Just imagine a big engine developer would optimize their engine for the PS5 SSD with no extra work for developers...
DeepEnigma
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The new narratives are being written in real time!
This thread page number is the year I was born,
Still 5 pages to go for me.
3 more pages for my birthday.
2 more... best year
Rusco Da Vino
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Lets wait to see proper comparisons before making those bold statements and/or wishful thinkings about resolution and framerates
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MasterCornholio
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Lets wait to see proper comparations before making those bold statements and/or wishful thinkings about resolution and framerates
That doesn't make any sense to me. Doesn't the XSX have higher bandwidth?
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Three Jackdaws
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Might not mean much but they've added a PS5 tab on the PSBlog.
Us Sony fans are like desert wanderers looking for signs of water LOL
ethomaz
Banned
If games on Xbox start to have lower resolution than PS5 then some guys will commit seppuku.Lets wait to see proper comparations before making those bold statements and/or wishful thinkings about resolution and framerates
ethomaz
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Actually both have similar bandwidth per processing power but Xbox only for 10GB of the memory.
CurtBizzy
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include thisJust imagine a big engine developer would optimize their engine for the PS5 SSD with no extra work for developers...
J_Gamer.exe
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Too bad we won't know how PS5 looks before page 2000.
Let's hope the thread doesn't crash due to millennium bug....
pasterpl
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it is 16gb ...
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ethomaz
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Only 10GB is 560GB/s.
ZeroFool
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At first I thought he meant post number, so that was 65. He could have been the founder of the old timers guild!2 more... best year
DeepEnigma
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Lets wait to see proper comparisons before making those bold statements and/or wishful thinkings about resolution and framerates
silent head
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Lets wait to see proper comparisons before making those bold statements and/or wishful thinkings about resolution and framerates
Source ?
Sinthor
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When and if the graphic fidelity increase isn't noticeable to me, then yes, I'll take the load times. We will see the truth as more gets known, obviously, but all indications right now are that we WON'T be able to notice the difference. The difference this generation is way less than it was between the Xbox One and the PS4. I remember people making a big deal about the Xbox One being "only" 900p instead of 1080p, for example. Yeah, Digital Foundry made a name for themselves blowing still images up to show that blade of grass or better anti-aliasing on something but you know what? I couldn't see the difference.
I'm getting a PS5. I had a PS4 and PS4 Pro. But you know what? Depending on what games people wanted, I've recommended to friends to get an Xbox when it made sense. They were all worried about the talk of worse graphics until I'd show them. They were perfectly happy as I suspect a NUMBER of Xbox fans have been.
So it's noticeable differences for me that have weight...not things I can't determine with my eyes and while playing.
MasterCornholio
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Definitely nothing like CELL since it just works for developers. They don't have to do any work to use the features of Sonys I/O. We should see the improvements even in multiplat titles.
ethomaz
Banned
Revisiting the bandwidth again.
Let's assume there is 40GB/s being used by CPU in both systems.
PS5: 448 - 40 = 408GB/s for 10.3 TFs = 39.6 GB/s per TFs
Xbox: 560 - 40 = 520GB/s for 12.1TFs = 42.9 GB/s per TFs * for 10GB
Xbox: 336 - 40 = 296GB/s for 12.1TFs = 24.5 GB/s per TFs * for 6GB
5700XT: 448GB/s for 9.75TFs = 45.9 GB/s per TFs
GTX2080: 448GB/s for 10TFs = 44.8 GB/s per TFs
The difference is really small and a bit below what you have on PC.
But it is compensated with the high level of specialized compression/decompression units.
Let's assume there is 40GB/s being used by CPU in both systems.
PS5: 448 - 40 = 408GB/s for 10.3 TFs = 39.6 GB/s per TFs
Xbox: 560 - 40 = 520GB/s for 12.1TFs = 42.9 GB/s per TFs * for 10GB
Xbox: 336 - 40 = 296GB/s for 12.1TFs = 24.5 GB/s per TFs * for 6GB
5700XT: 448GB/s for 9.75TFs = 45.9 GB/s per TFs
GTX2080: 448GB/s for 10TFs = 44.8 GB/s per TFs
The difference is really small and a bit below what you have on PC.
But it is compensated with the high level of specialized compression/decompression units.
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JareBear: Remastered
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I am curious, can someone explain to me how the RAM in the XsX and PS5 compares to this $900 RAM I just saw listed on Newegg?
www.newegg.com
I thought RAM was pretty cheap this days? This RAM seems wayyyyy too expensive unless it offers some crazy boost I don't know about?
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I thought RAM was pretty cheap this days? This RAM seems wayyyyy too expensive unless it offers some crazy boost I don't know about?
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geordiemp
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Thats only true if all the CPU and sound data (everything) is in the 10 GB. Better calcs below, they are the same per TF assuming 48 Gb/s of non GPU stuff in the > 10 GB portion.
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No advantages then lists some pretty cool advantages.
I will say this I don't think too many 3rd party devs will use a ton of their resources tweaking games for the superior SSD.
I believe we will only really see it shine in 1st party titles.
But even those non advantage advantages he listed I am good with
Unless proven to be a fake dev, there was a Dev saying that game's would receive loading improvements automatically, and if they took the time to edit for SSD they'd squeeze even more load time improvements.
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