Sinthor
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And they already have the vehicle to do this, if they decide to go after it seriously. PS Now. That will likely be their answer to GamePass if they have to start competing in the same way.
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FranXico
Member
I was referring to the PS5 BC misinformation in that video. "Just a few PS4 titles" is BS.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
My ps4 pro boots up in 25 seconds with a Sata SSD. What a joke.
Dolomite
Member
Neo Blaster
Member
Ok, really craving for those PS5 BC loading times now.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You wont get MS or Sony going too gangbusters on oldies because if gamers pay $20 here or there for them (or even better you can play an old disc you got lying around), it head butts vs. the modern age of microtrans which probably 90% of games have in some fashion.
Open up PS2 games for all and you're going to get some gamers with a stack of classics he likes playing and he'll hardly budge spending money on PS5 content.
FunkMiller
Banned
I genuinely hope to Christ it isn’t considerably faster, given the rivers of boiled piss that will drown this forum if it is.
kyliethicc
Member
Xbox Series S Internal SSD usable space
Xbox Series X - 1000 GB = 931 GiB
Xbox Series S - 512 GB = 476 GiB
XSX usable space - 802 GB = 747 GiB
931 GiB - 747 GiB = 184 GiB for OS for X.
Estimate OS size for S, range from 100% to 50% of OS size for X.
184 GiB x 1.00 = 184 GiB
184 GiB x 0.75 = 138 GiB
184 GiB x 0.50 = 92 GiB
476 GiB - 184 GiB = 292 GiB
476 GiB - 138 GiB = 338 GiB
476 GiB - 92 GiB = 384 GiB
292 GiB = 313 GB
338 GiB = 363 GB
384 GiB = 412 GB
Xbox Series S usable space range estimate = 313-412 GB
Xbox Series S usable space best estimate = 363 GB (if OS is 75% of OS on X)
Xbox Series X - 1000 GB = 931 GiB
Xbox Series S - 512 GB = 476 GiB
XSX usable space - 802 GB = 747 GiB
931 GiB - 747 GiB = 184 GiB for OS for X.
Estimate OS size for S, range from 100% to 50% of OS size for X.
184 GiB x 1.00 = 184 GiB
184 GiB x 0.75 = 138 GiB
184 GiB x 0.50 = 92 GiB
476 GiB - 184 GiB = 292 GiB
476 GiB - 138 GiB = 338 GiB
476 GiB - 92 GiB = 384 GiB
292 GiB = 313 GB
338 GiB = 363 GB
384 GiB = 412 GB
Xbox Series S usable space range estimate = 313-412 GB
Xbox Series S usable space best estimate = 363 GB (if OS is 75% of OS on X)
sircaw
Banned
I really wonder what the comparisons will be. its going to be super interesting.
I still can not believe people put up with no mans sky like that, that is dog shit if i ever seen in, 2 min 13, i want to give the game a go but like that, no chance
Dolomite
Member
Same. Also need a breakdown of the OS from both. I'm Interested to find if the raw speed of Sony's SSD adds a night and day comparison to the series as claimed, and I feel like unoptimized current gen titles is a fair metric for now
sircaw
Banned
Dolomite
Member
Uggg I got flashbacks of GTA5 on the 360 just reading this
geordiemp
Member
Its kinda boring, I have no interest in playing 5-10 year old games AGAIN and being excited.
Show us something new FFS.
kyliethicc
Member
I just dont get it.
If an Xbox One game needs to load less than 10 GB into RAM to start playing... and the Xbox SSD is 2.4 GB/s raw..
That should mean the system can load any Xbox One game in less than 5 seconds.
Even if it uses the entire 9 GB of RAM the One X had multiple times from full to empty thats still only like 10 seconds.
Games should be loading faster than the videos I've seen.
But its obviously much faster than a 5400 rpm hdd.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I literally remembering making a sandwich and eating half of it getting into GTA online once.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Well, if you take a look at your question, you have the answer. What was being talked about with Yakuza was NOT a BC game, it was a "PS5 version." So yes, PS5 games will have their own saves. You can use your PS4 game saves if you run the PS4 game in BC mode.
I do hope however that some devs give us a converter or something. No reason they can't. Imagine a game like the Witcher 3. We REALLY have to play the whole thing starting from scratch? We'll see. I'm sure if devs get enough pushback from customers, they will find a solution.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Theres more to loading than simply moving things into RAM.
Metroiddarks
Member
sircaw
Banned
You got Bugsnax coming what more do you want.
There is also that cat game, Stray, is that not enough for you.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT NEW GAMES FFS
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There is an error in your calculation.
802 GiB is availabe for games. The OS shows the correct number (1024 based).
So the OS reserves around 118 GiB.
And BTW, if they don't cut features for the S, it should also be 118GiB on the S.
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Dabaus
Banned
In light of Microsoft acquiring Zenimax has "insider" mentioned if sony has anything going on behind the scenes? Even their reaction to the news? I know we havent received a statement or comment from sony about it but it seems like something you would want address, even in passing.
FALCON_KICK
Member
When the system launches, we should get a thorough analysis and then a similar updated chart comparing the various loading times across same titles between Xbox One with HDD/SSD and Xbox One X with HDD/SSD compared with that on XBox Series X with external HDD and internal SSD would be quite helpful in understanding the advantages and power of next gen. Same for PS4/PS4Pro comparison with PS5.
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xacto
Member
You got Bugsnax coming what more do you want.
There is also that cat game, Stray, is that not enough for you.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT NEW GAMES FFS
Fish, I had enough of your "stray cat" jokes. Find yourself a nice fish tank, and don't come out for air for a long, long time.
sircaw
Banned
you got nine lives in that game fleebag, i am going to use every single one of them, see a car, guess where i am running. See an electrical inlet, that's right the paw is going in it. Swimming pool, its the springboard and the deep end for it.
Fleabags like you and,
AeneaGames
are going down, mind you I will probably need one of those tesla cannons from red alrert to nuke that garfields fat arse.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
You got Bugsnax coming what more do you want.
There is also that cat game, Stray, is that not enough for you.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT NEW GAMES FFS
What is this title? The graphics are amazing!
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sleepy Jim Ryan.Impressive previews for Series X.
Meanwhile at Sony:
sircaw
Banned
Faithless83
Banned
I'm actually surprised by this. Doesn't mean it will be the norm though. It's a game with an upgrade at launch. Current PS4 games that are not released as crossgen from the getgo should work.
Sounds like it's to avoid people buying the "cheaper" PS4 version later on...
Technically there is no reason for this.
Killer Sakoman
Member
Is anyone checking his his console pre order every hour to make sure it's still there? Or is it just me being obsessed? 
cudiye
Member
Apart from the SSD and its backwards compatibility which is essentially one big advertisement for “gamepass” that not everyone has access to unless they pay for the service. What else does the S X have going for them? I’m genuinely curious. Never seen a new console launch without an exclusive launch game yet people just sweep that fact under the rug.
Killer Sakoman
Member
They have Tell me whyDoncabesa please contact Phil, take volcano high, you have my blessing m8.
kyliethicc
Member
Nah look it says 802 GB. The OS shows decimal, so the 802 GB is misleading. Its not 118 GiB. Its more. 931-747=184 GiB.
The Xbox SSD is advertised as 1 TB but so is the 1 TB Seagate Expansion Card.
But the card only has 920 GB usable. So its most likely a 960 GB card (894 GiB) and then has some partitioned off for write endurance, formatting, OS, etc. Or maybe its 931 GiB (1000 GB) and has even more reserved. Maybe the Expansion Card needs 75 GiB reserved, idk.
The OS for the S will need a bit less space, 75% - 80%. It won't record 4K footage or need as much room reserved for Quick Resume. So it should have less than the 200 GB reserved.
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Better quality 3rd party games, and Game Pass on its own is as good as an exclusive launch game
FALCON_KICK
Member
Excellent point.
cudiye
Member
are you talking about owning a PC?
sircaw
Banned
They have Tell me why
I hate to say this but i just watched it and i think it looks much better than volcano high.
Xbox guys you are on the up. the sky is the limit.
Killer Sakoman
Member
Grow up
You better behave or we ask Mods to ban you
It's 2020, we don't want games. We only want to play features, subscriptions and NES classics in glorious 4K
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cudiye
Member
Grow up
You better behave or we as Mods to ban you
It's 2020, we don't want games. We only want to play features, subscriptions and NES classics in glorious 4K
Yessir, didn’t mean to point out legitimate criticism.
kyliethicc
Member
kyliethicc
Member
Like the CPU/GPU cycles to render the data and that stuff?
What else is there? Genuine question.
kyliethicc
Member
So according to Game Informer, Kena Bridge of Spirits is a PS4/PS5 cross-gen game that can cold boot in 2 seconds from the PS5 home screen.
Assuming the devs had to optimize for that, what does that tell us about load times for PS4 games on PS5?
I think this is why Sony won't show the UI until its ready.
I imagine their software OS engineers spend all their time trying to make the PS5 OS as fast as possible.
The first impressions will be very important.
Assuming the devs had to optimize for that, what does that tell us about load times for PS4 games on PS5?
I think this is why Sony won't show the UI until its ready.
I imagine their software OS engineers spend all their time trying to make the PS5 OS as fast as possible.
The first impressions will be very important.
Killer Sakoman
Member
Source?
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
Im note sure If this is guys is telling the truth.
It doesnt seem like he really turned the console off. The other vídeos we saw, It taks way more time, and one tweet confirma 20s total.
I wouldnt doubt he put on rest mode and then turn It on again, thats why It was that fast.
pasterpl
Member
are you referring to demon souls? If yes, I think it is 11 year old game
kyliethicc
Member
Its a remake ya muppet, not the same thing. Come on
Killer Sakoman
Member
Sony strategy is simple, let Microsoft show their stuff then we show ours.
Japanese Youtubers will give us a hands-on this week.
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