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[danielJackson]

Here for my daily replies of users unable to cope.

Funny how people like to turn anything into problem or sony vs. Ms.


Like how often you have to move console from position to another? Once a year? Less?

Changing summer tires to winter tires sucks ass, takes about 20-30mins to do alone with manual tools.

And still I do it twice/year.

Moving this plate is nothing.

Both solutions are good enough

PS5 takes few minutes to fix, looks good

Xbox one takes no time but looks stupid from the side

Both do their job

 

[chilichote]

The demo was a playable demo, not a cgi "look what this GPU can render" type of demo. So it really should tell you what is actually possible on this hardware and why the R&D put to place on a less standard approach paid dividends this time.

I know that. But that was a very controlled demo, very straight forward, no AI, hardly any physics, etc.

So yes, the PS5 can do that, I have no doubt about that. Only it can do that in a real game. I just want to know - and see!

Is it so reprehensible to ask yourself this question and to want to understand what all the effort is for?

 

[FunkMiller]

Funny how people like to turn anything into problem or sony vs. Ms.


Like how often you have to move console from position to another? Once a year? Less?

Changing summer tires to winter tires sucks ass, takes about 20-30mins to do alone with manual tools.

And still I do it twice/year.

Moving this plate is nothing.

Both solutions are good enough

PS5 takes few minutes to fix, looks good

Xbox one takes no time but looks stupid from the side

Both do their job

I think everyone probably realises that where it counts, the two consoles are most likely to be extremely similar, so we're now in the territory of every little thing being grasped on as ammunition for the ongoing, playground console wars. Both consoles are fine. They both look a bit crap for different reasons, but are built for practicalities sake. They'll both run similar quality games, at similar frame rates and resolutions. They'll both happily sit in someone's home set up, because neither are really that big, when you get right down to it.

 

[user1337]

Does the Series X actually have little rubber nipples that it stands on if you put it on its side, or will the case sooner or later scratch if you push it aside while dusting?

Not to worry, it also has rubber nipples on the right side. Shown here are the two top ones. Same repeated at the bottom.

 

[zubairali2]

real shit

 

[FunkMiller]

Not to worry, it also has permanent rubber nipples on the right side. Shown here are the two top ones. Same repeated at the bottom.

 

[sinnergy]

I like how he decided to show the side that doesn't have the permanent base and looks good horizontal.

Let me help him out with the other side, which isn't as aesthetically pleasing.

Love it ! I’ll let the round part face me all day just to look at it while I am gaming

 

[Bo_Hazem]

lol I love how awkward it got in that Digital Foundry stream when John said he heard great things about the PS5 from developers. No comment from Alex, Richard, Tom and the other guy. None whatsoever. Not even a "Interesting!", "surprising"... they didnt even bother to try and get more good info from John.

Surely if you are doing a subscriber special, you would want to get some more NDA info for your subscribers. It almost looks like they are not happy that the devs are happy with the PS5. So awkward.

I like this mode, mate. Please don't flip the switch.

 

[FranXico]

lol I love how awkward it got in that Digital Foundry stream when John said he heard great things about the PS5 from developers. No comment from Alex, Richard, Tom and the other guy. None whatsoever. Not even a "Interesting!", "surprising"... they didnt even bother to try and get more good info from John.

Surely if you are doing a subscriber special, you would want to get some more NDA info for your subscribers. It almost looks like they are not happy that the devs are happy with the PS5. So awkward.

It is very noticeable, yes.

 

[chilichote]

Not to worry, it also has rubber nipples on the right side. Shown here are the two top ones. Same repeated at the bottom.

Thank you very much, I didn't know that before.

 

[sircaw]

real shit

ps5 is expensive but your not haah. Damn, that is not good.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

real shit

I remember a wise man once said:

"But I do know one thing though, Bitches they come, they go." - Eminem, 2002.

Spoiler

Come to think of it, those chocolate thighs are very delicious. Fuck gaming.

 

[silent head]

RX 5700XT / RDNA 1/XBOX SERIES X

BIG NAVI / RDNA 2 / PS5

AMD Big Navi leak teases a monstrous GPU — Nvidia should be worried

AMD Big Navi could battle Nvidia RTX 3080 thanks to its huge GPU die

www.tomsguide.com

 

[Moridianae]

Liquid metal is really cool and not something I would've ever expected to be present in a console.

Also, the comments about Raytracing and PS5 performance by Jon suggests to me that despite being slightly weaker, it doesn't really matter too much in the long run.

I also seem to recall someone(RGT?) saying the Tempest Engine can be utilized to handle some GPU and CPU tasks. I'm no tech guy, but if it can, that probably adds more capabilities to the system than we thought, since it would give additional power or free up power.

Pixel perfect or top frames will probably be XSX in the long run, but it won't be by a large margin despite the differential. Seems to be a lot of efficiency in the PS5.

 

[reksveks]

RX 5700XT / RDNA 1/XBOX SERIES X

BIG NAVI / RDNA 2 / PS5

AMD Big Navi leak teases a monstrous GPU — Nvidia should be worried

AMD Big Navi could battle Nvidia RTX 3080 thanks to its huge GPU die

www.tomsguide.com

Yes, that's how it works...

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

RX 5700XT / RDNA 1/XBOX SERIES X

BIG NAVI / RDNA 2 / PS5

AMD Big Navi leak teases a monstrous GPU — Nvidia should be worried

AMD Big Navi could battle Nvidia RTX 3080 thanks to its huge GPU die

www.tomsguide.com

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

I like how he decided to show the side that doesn't have the permanent base and looks good horizontal.

Let me help him out with the other side, which isn't as aesthetically pleasing.

Yuck

 

[oldergamer]

You should get banned for

RX 5700XT / RDNA 1/XBOX SERIES X

BIG NAVI / RDNA 2 / PS5

AMD Big Navi leak teases a monstrous GPU — Nvidia should be worried

AMD Big Navi could battle Nvidia RTX 3080 thanks to its huge GPU die

www.tomsguide.com

Xbox series X is NOT RDNA1, its RDNA2. both of which AMD and MS have stated. Stop spreading FUD.

 

[funking giblet]

I like how he decided to show the side that doesn't have the permanent base and looks good horizontal.

Let me help him out with the other side, which isn't as aesthetically pleasing.

Hey, my fridge can be put on it's side too. Just needs a little help.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

RX 5700XT / RDNA 1/XBOX SERIES X

BIG NAVI / RDNA 2 / PS5

AMD Big Navi leak teases a monstrous GPU — Nvidia should be worried

AMD Big Navi could battle Nvidia RTX 3080 thanks to its huge GPU die

www.tomsguide.com

Bro, you're comparing pure GPU to APU's, it doesn't work like that But shapes are strange though and comparable, not very educated in the matter.

 

[pasterpl]

I like how he decided to show the side that doesn't have the permanent base and looks good horizontal.

Let me help him out with the other side, which isn't as aesthetically pleasing.

they should have made the middle of that circle stand “empty” and haven the bottom stand to be only the circle “frame” without the middle filled in

it would also look nicer

 

[user1337]

I got rid of "permanent" cause they never really are. Just glued on usually. That said, it has a "pit" where the rubber would go. So if it did fall off, you could glue it back on I guess.

Edit: oh wait...I just got your chain of thought. You were thinking about something else entirely

 

[Codexer]

 

[Bo_Hazem]

On many occasions the Controller is not made in 7nm from TSMC to save costs. I think I remember they do it in 14nm or even 24nm.

The size does not mean anything unless you know that the screen printing is the same.

Possibly it is developed in 7nm to avoid excessive heating due to the intense use that will be given when UE5 is on the market.

PS5's ssd is cooled by that massive heatsink, I hope those compatible ones would have good-sized heatsinks and fans:

EDIT: And you should not put the cover back when it's in indeed, probably that's why close to the vents to have access to cool air:

 

[user1337]

they should have made the middle of that circle stand “empty” and haven the bottom stand to be only the circle “frame” without the middle filled in

it would also look nicer

That would make the base weaker though. Potentially prone to cracking.

 

[T-Cake]

In the tear down video at 3:18 you can see the screw holes for 110 and 80 with the hold down screw in the 110 hole.

Ps5 will suppose ssd lengths at 110.

So I'm curious, why have they given you the option of lengths? Does a longer SSD result in a cheaper price because everything doesn't have to be squished into a smaller space? Does an 80mm one run cooler than a 40mm for example?

 

[SportsFan581]

The way I remember it the Windows CE operating system killed the SEGA Dreamcast and in turn SEGA as a console maker. The ease of piracy where copied games could be booted without any modchip etc...
Apologies if this has been covered as I am multiple pages behind.

That totally had nothing to do with the WCE and everything to do with the deliberate decision by Sega to allow the system to boot CDR disks. It was a move that I think was supposed to assist devs with testing.

 

[Yoboman]

You should get banned for

Xbox series X is NOT RDNA1, its RDNA2. both of which AMD and MS have stated. Stop spreading FUD.

This you?

Game Developer at Team Blur Games on Xbox Series X: You're going to hear a lot about why SFS (Sampler Feedback Streaming) is such a big deal

That makes no sense but thank you for contributing precisely dick to the thread. I’ll post back tomorrow when the Sony engineer gets back to me about whether he can talk about this or if it’s NDA bound. For now, do whatever it is you people seem hellbent on doing I guess? you talk nonsense...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Zheph]

"Game Developer at Team Blur Games" chill guys its lunch time here

 

[Dibils2k]

I like how he decided to show the side that doesn't have the permanent base and looks good horizontal.

Let me help him out with the other side, which isn't as aesthetically pleasing.

as someone who will have it vertical it doesnt really matter to me but... why is that stand not removable!? its so dumb lol and looks terrible on its side

 

[Zoro7]

as someone who will have it vertical it doesnt really matter to me but... why is that stand not removable!? its so dumb lol and looks terrible on its side

Looks like you’ve knocked it over by accident.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Microsoft Details Xbox Series X SoC, Drops More Details on RDNA2 Architecture and Zen 2 CPU Enhancements

Microsoft in its Hot Chips 32 presentation detailed the SoC at the heart of the upcoming Xbox Series X entertainment system. The chip mostly uses AMD IP blocks, and is built on TSMC N7e (enhanced 7 nm) process. It is a 360.4 mm² die with a transistor count of 15.3 billion. Microsoft spoke about...

www.techpowerup.com

This would explain the low clock of the Series X.

No it wouldn't?

The low clock rate is to keep power requirements, and heat dissipation, regulated. The GPU already meets the requirement of doubling the tflops of the One X at 12, any more is surplus to requirement, probably won't impact gaming performance and would potentially require the entire system being reworked.

Shocking FUD in here.

 

[FunkMiller]

"Conducted from September 23 to 25 this year among 511 US-based candidates, the survey found that 15% of people managed to grab a preorder for a next-generation console. Of these individuals, 72% of them plumped for the PS5 disc edition, 30% went for the Xbox Series X, 10% jumped on the PS5 Digital-Only Edition, while 8% selected the Xbox Series S."

120% of people, eh?

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Very interesting. Not saying the Series X is RDNA 1 or bolted on, because RDNA 1 and 2 mostly refer to manufacturing processes and node, but this comparison is cute.

Well, even DF said that "Ray tracing support aside, this is essentially RDNA as its presented in the Radeon RX5700 range". Obviously this doesn't mean XSX isn't RDNA 2, but it just explains why the die looks the same.

 

[Blue Spring]

Microsoft Details Xbox Series X SoC, Drops More Details on RDNA2 Architecture and Zen 2 CPU Enhancements

Microsoft in its Hot Chips 32 presentation detailed the SoC at the heart of the upcoming Xbox Series X entertainment system. The chip mostly uses AMD IP blocks, and is built on TSMC N7e (enhanced 7 nm) process. It is a 360.4 mm² die with a transistor count of 15.3 billion. Microsoft spoke about...

www.techpowerup.com

No it wouldn't?

The low clock rate is to keep power requirements, and heat dissipation, regulated. The GPU already meets the requirement of doubling the tflops of the One X at 12, any more is surplus to requirement, probably won't impact gaming performance and would potentially require the entire system being reworked.

Shocking FUD in here.

You are right, its most likely because of the heat that the GPU is clocked so low.

Still funny how it looks almost exactly like a RDNA1 GPU.

 

[Orky]

they asked 511 US-based candidates. Way too small sample size to say anything.

as someone who will have it vertical it doesnt really matter to me but... why is that stand not removable!? its so dumb lol and looks terrible on its side

Because people are stupid. They take it off and then forget to put in if they use it vertically again. Then we will have overheating issues.
we will see how it turns out on PS5. People think it looks „way cooler without the Stand!“ and the. Cry if there are any heating issues.

 

[Lysandros]

I like how he decided to show the side that doesn't have the permanent base and looks good horizontal.

Let me help him out with the other side, which isn't as aesthetically pleasing.

Too much air flow can be harmful, so it uses a very big shield to defend itself.

 

[SportsFan581]

Xbox series X is NOT RDNA1, its RDNA2. both of which AMD and MS have stated. Stop spreading FUD.

Dumbest thing I've seen on here yet. LOL

Good luck trying to ascertain the exact fabrication process of a chip by comparing pictures in different lighting conditions. Unless they are trying to base things on shape, which has everything to do with the chosen layout and not the fab process.

 

[sircaw]

they asked 511 US-based candidates. Way too small sample size to say anything.

Isn't the USA like home base for xbot though, the 511 could be bigger but still that % surprises me alot.

Maybe not in Europe or Japan, i mean that is dominated by sony, i get that.

 

[PSX]

Yuck

You can see the white disc drive panel that’s ugly and looks cheap to look at, the whole parts slapped together is not a good design is lazy console design. I like the series s design much better it looks odd but it got some thoughts into it.

 

[Codexer]

 

[CrysisFreak]

But is it worthy?
Jury is still out on that one.
I will only feed the highest quality stuff to my great great PS5.

 

[Yoboman]

Black drives matter

 

[xacto]

PS5 has this killer feature Xbox Series X can't beat

PS5 has better Wi-Fi connectivity and faster USB ports — should Xbox be worried?

www.tomsguide.com

 

[SportsFan581]

Bro, you're comparing pure GPU to APU's, it doesn't work like that But shapes are strange though and comparable, not very educated in the matter.

The XSS chip has an elongated shape if you prefer that (and the same architecture as the XSX). LOL

 

[BatSu]

 

[chilichote]

they asked 511 US-based candidates. Way too small sample size to say anything.

In Germany, the Audience ratings ("Einschaltquote") are determined to be around 2000 - 6000 people. Sure, Germany has fewer inhabitants than the USA, but the "TV" target group is larger than the "video games" target group. This also gives rise to the prices for a commercial on private broadcasters.

Of course something has to be chosen carefully, but trends like this can be read off quite well from such figures. And 500 people are absolutely sufficient for that.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

This you?

Game Developer at Team Blur Games on Xbox Series X: You're going to hear a lot about why SFS (Sampler Feedback Streaming) is such a big deal

That makes no sense but thank you for contributing precisely dick to the thread. I’ll post back tomorrow when the Sony engineer gets back to me about whether he can talk about this or if it’s NDA bound. For now, do whatever it is you people seem hellbent on doing I guess? you talk nonsense...

www.neogaf.com

You won the internet today sir, well played

 

[Codexer]

Its real or fake?

 

[reksveks]

In Germany, the Audience ratings ("Einschaltquote") are determined to be around 2000 - 6000 people. Sure, Germany has fewer inhabitants than the USA, but the "TV" target group is larger than the "video games" target group. This also gives rise to the prices for a commercial on private broadcasters.

Of course something has to be chosen carefully, but trends like this can be read off quite well from such figures. And 500 people are absolutely sufficient for that.

As someone that works in advertising, TV buying is so outdated in compared to proper digital advertising. Also those kind of panels are typically tried to be representative of the whole country, not sure about this poll.