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Tripolygon
Banned
As far as i know, quest does not use DisplayPort alt mode but regular USB data. Displayport alt mode requires USB type C connection as part of the standard.
splattered
Member
Because the console was supposed to ship 2019 and all the titles shown so far are PS4 games that shifted to PS5 development that have been in the works for a while... i've said this multiple times and people got upset with me but the fact that most of the games have been officially revealed to be cross-gen it should be more obvious to people. Not saying the games look bad or are held back in any way, i'm just saying they're showing us PS4 games running on the PS5 dev kits with snazzy next gen enhancements added on.
Loxus
Member
Interesting.Did something happen during the video or is it my imagination ?
before
after
I also notice some of the LM running down on the heatsink.
You definitely have to be careful when removing the PCB or heatsink.
My guess is you remove the heatsink still attached to the PCB from the case then remove the heatsink while the PCB is upright to keep the LM contain.
Bladed Thesis
Member
Or thats just how liquid metal works. It's no concern. There's protective foam to keep it contained.Someone is fishing hard for some concerns
mejin
Member
You can't stop talent.
SportsFan581
Member
Everyone has their own opinions. I haven't been within 10 miles of an XSX (that I'm aware of anyway, LOL) so I can't say if it is hot/cold/neutral etc. Just looking at it, I would assume that the housing is going to be a touch warm or "hot" if you prefer, just based on proximity of heat producing components to the outside case. I think the PS5 will generate a good amount of heat also, putting some air gaps between the components and the side panels will stop you from feeling that, but won't change anything in a real sense. You and a few others have a way of mentioning these reports in a very negative way (and very deliberately so), which at this point is unjustified. There's a good chance the temps are better than PS3/PS4 Pro, and no one cared about those so why would they care about this? Did you throw away your PS4 for being hot to the touch, every model released has been?
If the system has a real overheating issue, it will be discovered after launch when real people have them (clickbait conspiracists not included, those will be in good supply for both) and will be reported on by credible sources.
As of right now the "overheating" concern for XSX is no different from the "smartshift" concerns for PS5 or the dev kit heating issues (which apparently were somewhat real but are just as irrelevant today since Sony went an entirely different direction for the final design).
Just have fun and don't worry about other posters being "sensitive", chances are they aren't sensitive about it at all they are just expressing a different point of view. If I make a bunch of 9.2TF posts I expect the backlash.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Sooo, from a completely non-technical person's perspective, from what I read and see, ...
It looks like the design is so simple and compact, it intakes air around the components at the base and forces the air out the top. Since all computer components run hot in general, and the faster they're asked to run the hotter things get, all the heat is blown out the top. For this reason, I would assume people are reacting (or over-reacting) to that situation.
From what I've read, these things can run at high temps all day long and be alright. Just .. maybe don't put it in a place where heat build up will be an issue like an enclosed shelf kind of a situation.
Nowcry
Member
There is a double containment chamber.
But it only works if the console is closed, if you open it you must logically be careful.
If you want to open the console to that point, put it in a waterproof bag in the fridge. Wait a few hours, then open it, the liquid metal will be solid for a few minutes, clean it and then close it again.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
Just a small correction, I thought RGT initially leaked the unified cache design on the Zen 3 CPU however AMD had already revealed they were planning this around 7 months ago. Whether RGT leaked this feature before that I'm not sure, I'll have to snoop around. Now the question remains whether PS5 has this design, we still are yet too see a a diagram or deep die shot of the PS5's CPU, however it would make a lot of sense for the PS5 to have this considering their focus on low-latency data access.
Rocco Schiavone
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TwistedSyn
Member
Tripolygon
Banned
Your comment made my day. Been a tough couple of weeks. And thanks for the new avatar. Thanks for the gold too. You're too generous.Man, I love your posts, and you are very educated in tech and most likely have first hand experience, I guess. But please have an avatar, maybe this?
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Microsoft claims it's like the Xbox One X. This is also not like a PC. They've put a bit more time in engineering this of course, cooling isn't like a general PC either.Here???
I don't know if it got hot or not, I can't say, but as a gamer PC I tend to have giant boxes I certainly wouldn't put a 12 Tflops GPU in that box even if it was completely alone.
Much less a complete system.
Before buying I would have to see with my own eyes how it behaves under high load in an environment of high temperatures.
Minimum it generates doubts to me, many doubts.
SportsFan581
Member
Here???
I don't know if it got hot or not, I can't say, but as a gamer PC I tend to have giant boxes I certainly wouldn't put a 12 Tflops GPU in that box even if it was completely alone.
Much less a complete system.
Before buying I would have to see with my own eyes how it behaves under high load in an environment of high temperatures.
Minimum it generates doubts to me, many doubts.
You don't want to think about this PC then: https://www.zotac.com/us/product/mini_pcs/magnus-en072080s-barebone
Tight spaces can be great for high heat components, better than excess space in most cases. It is easier to control airflow in a cramped environment verses a very open one. A principle that high-powered 1U and 2U servers thrive on. Laptops too.
Not that I would build that form factor with off the shelf parts either.
Wraith Phantom
Member
Bruh, I had to look for it. I couldn't believe he couldn't answer it.
That was a question from a 1000% Xbox fan. No conspiracies. He was answering everything fine. Until they asked him about that XSX
game play. Man started .
Then he blamed the covid
Shit is spooky over there.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Glad to hear that you had a tough couple of weeks. Now you'll have a tough month here with auto-refresh feature.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
XSX has cut backs everywhere.
- Nearly identical last gen Controller.
- Same Last gen UI and OS
- No Wifi 6
- No bluetooth 5.1
- Split lower bandwidth vram
- Last gen USB ports
Not that its a bad thing. They put all their money towards giving gamers a more powerful GPU, but it clearly came at a cost.
XSS has even more cutbacks. 512GB SSD, 10 GB of very low bandwidth vram, 4 tflops on top of all the features missing from the xsx above. It seems MS just wanted to have the cheapest and most powerful console at any cost. And they got there, but while its good for PR and winning online console wars, it's bad for gamers who are not getting all those next gen features.
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Dave_at_Home
Member
I'm sure Microsoft has torture tested this thing just as much as Sony has with PS5. With that said, it doesn't surprise me it can get warm/hot to the touch based on what's obviously in the photo. I think someone posted in this thread how it's similar to the "trash can" design from one of the Macintosh computers. It ran hot, but stayed silent. Hopefully once games designed for the Series X start showing up they don't cause any issues once that GPU is being pushed.Here???
I don't know if it got hot or not, I can't say, but as a gamer PC I tend to have giant boxes I certainly wouldn't put a 12 Tflops GPU in that box even if it was completely alone.
Much less a complete system.
Before buying I would have to see with my own eyes how it behaves under high load in an environment of high temperatures.
Minimum it generates doubts to me, many doubts.
I'm still looking forward to the day Microsoft shows off some real special first-party games. I'll probably pick one up when that happens. Until then, I think it's clear Sony has put more thought and effort into the cooling performance of their console versus Microsoft. It may be a big boy, but it's got big cooling.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I have said it a few times and the first time I got some nasty PMs here for it.
The XSX is an amped up Xbox One and thats still great.
PS5 is a next gen console.
SportsFan581
Member
Then he blamed the covid
Definitely wasn't prepared to field that question.
Aceofspades
Banned
Add to that way slower SSD than PS5. Was it worth it for a mere 18% Gpu advantage? That's imperceivable by the naked eye.
Insane Metal
Member
Heh, I bet some people will say this was faked somehow
Sinthor
Gold Member
It's amazing to me that people keep coming up with the "it was supposed to launch a year ago" BS. Whatever. Couldn't POSSIBLY be that Sony actually got devs up and running quicker or planned for more titles to be available right from the start with PS5 because they'd been criticized for the lack in the past...right?
Insane Metal
Member
I'm getting jelly of youse.Your comment made my day. Been a tough couple of weeks. And thanks for the new avatar. Thanks for the gold too. You're too generous.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah, the 125% SSD gap is definitely going to be bigger than the 18% GPU power gap. Thats why i was so disappointed to learn that sony's studios are making cross gen games. I was really hoping to see what this fast SSD can do besides loading.
But we will have to wait until mid gen games to see what they can do.
Randy Randerson
Member
Demon's souls is next-gen only. And which console was supposed to ship in 2019? If you're referring to the PS5, can you provide a source?
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Mr Moose
Member
Yup, Halo Infinite, 5 years in the making, cross-gen, haven't seen it running on Series X, he's just making excuses.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Warren and MS fanboys on twitter getting upset over these rumors get no sympathy from me. They actively peddled nonsense about the PS5 heating up, and now the chickens have come home to roost.
saintjules
Gold Member
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Have you seen Dealer's latest video commentating the PS5 teardown? They're losing the plot!
jasondefaoite
Member
You guys dont understand how happy i sm about universal blutooth for ps5. My sony xm3 is reast
I must have missed this. Did Sony confirm Bluetooth audio support for the PS5?
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
- Controller was already amazing, would be weird to completely change it
- That's not completely true. Just because the UI and OS also runs on the Xbox One, doesn't make it last gen. Microsoft believes that it makes sense that the look and feel of UI/OS is similar across all devices. Here's a video of changes they are already working on.
- This is indeed a missing feature, although I would think that in 3 years times most people still won't have wifi6 in their home. And the people that really care about it, play by cable.
- This was to be expected. Bluetooth isn't reliable or fast enough for Microsoft's controllers.
- Does it need more?
- Because it's USB-A?
Tripolygon
Banned
I'm getting jelly of youse.
TheAssist
Member
One thing I do find interesting is the fact that the MS settled with WiFi 5.
They will push X Cloud in the coming months. And they do have great streaming tech, probably with better latency compared to most other companies out there, but then they lose a lot of that latency when streaming the game and inputs over WiFi5 compared to WiFi6.
Or am I completely wrong on this one?
They will push X Cloud in the coming months. And they do have great streaming tech, probably with better latency compared to most other companies out there, but then they lose a lot of that latency when streaming the game and inputs over WiFi5 compared to WiFi6.
Or am I completely wrong on this one?
ethomaz
Banned
Bruh, I had to look for it. I couldn't believe he couldn't answer it.
I never thought Aaron was a stutterer... every day a new thing you learn.
And WTF is that video lol just the TOP extreme Xbox fanboys are allowed?
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kretos
Banned
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Cant imagine what horrors they come up with.
I cant watch them or anyone else for that matter that push politics I game to get away from that shit.
Riky
$MSFT
Xbox controller was almost perfect, any improvement just makes the best controller better.
You forgot to mention that the majority of the XSX ram is actually a lot higher bandwidth and developers see it as one pool
MS constantly update their UI, it doesn't need to change day one as it is fine now and people will be comfortable day one.
The other points aren't as relevant as having an almost 2tflop GPU advantage that may be more when PS5 downclocks and a faster CPU with higher memory bandwidth, the things that actually matter in a console.
You forgot to mention that the majority of the XSX ram is actually a lot higher bandwidth and developers see it as one pool
MS constantly update their UI, it doesn't need to change day one as it is fine now and people will be comfortable day one.
The other points aren't as relevant as having an almost 2tflop GPU advantage that may be more when PS5 downclocks and a faster CPU with higher memory bandwidth, the things that actually matter in a console.
mitchman
Gold Member
No, because they are only 5Gbps.
saintjules
Gold Member
Haha, I just listen to everything in general and then formulate my own opinion afterwards. Definitely horror-like situations they come up with.
Regarding the stand, it will most likely be installed vertically and that will be the end of it. Maybe play with it horizontally to see how it looks, but that's about it.
travisktl
Member
Godfall loot and endgame info. The loot system reminds me a lot of Diablo/Path of Exile with weapons, armor, rings, amulets, and charms, along with having a node system for leveling. The endgame sounds a lot rogue-like Hades type thing with a tower, clearing out rooms, and being able to choose buffs and bonuses.
https://www.gamebyte.com/godfalls-endgame-will-continue-to-challenge-reward-players/
https://www.gamebyte.com/godfalls-endgame-will-continue-to-challenge-reward-players/
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MastaKiiLA
Member
That's the beginning of the game. Stand in the doorway, and it can't hit you.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Controller isnt that great. I hate playing action games on it. Anything that maps to LB or RB is instantly unplayable. But thats besides the point, the DS4 is a pretty good controller too. You HAVE to upgrade your OS and your controller every gen. you just have to in this industry. MS just wants to make their own rules and cheap out.
XSX virtually has only 10 GB of vram because they other isnt fast enough. Of course it needs more.
jose4gg
Member
I was going to make a political joke, but I let you guys find out,
My God, people screaming about a screwdriver...azertydu91
Hard to Kill
When politics are mixed into gaming news it almost always end with the same 2 possibilities.
X game Is racist/homophobic/sexist and should be banned
or
X game surrendered to SJW and got woke will get broke....
Of all the podcast I watched it's almost always one of these 2 which basically means "we added politics in our perception of games and now we are offended".
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jose4gg
Member
I hate the clickiness of the LB and RB sooooo much... I don't understand why they keep using that stupid click...
sandkiller
Member
Let me guess, greg's crazy shouting?
gamechanger87
Member
I'm confused? PS5 will also run hot.
Both consoles will run hot. Watts go in, heat comes out.
The cooling system of both is meant to take the heat and transfer it to air and expel it through the vents.
Heat sinks take heat, spread it over a large surface area so that air passing over can take the heat away.
The PS5's cooling system does nothing to combat the laws of thermodynamics. Its just a different way of taking heat and passing it to a heat sink and making it available to the air.
If the PS5 is not blowing out really hot air that means that it is keeping all the heat inside which is not a good sign.
Are you trying to argue that the PS5 will be cool to the touch and not blow out really hot air? If so, you should really start to worry about the longevity of the system.
At this point I believe you are just trolling.
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Three Jackdaws
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