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[Yoboman]

@Mod of War teardown has happened this thread is basically fanboys fighting each other now, why is it still opened?

They arent going to make you a mod, bro

 

[ethomaz]

Wow, I've always thought the SSD controller and the I/O unit were the same thing
Thanks for clarifying.

No.
The SSD controller is outside the APU together with the NAND chips.
The I/O controller (or complex like Sony is calling it) is inside the APU and communicates with every I/O device including the SSD Controller, all Dual Senses, PS Camera, etc etc.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

My life would feel empty and pointless if this thread closes.

We've gone through way too much together. I'll never be ready. Never.

I understand. How else will everyone be able to laugh at sircaw? I mean... LOOK AT HIM

 

[Larryfox]

I just asked for the thread to be closed not the website lol. Was just looking for clarification since it was promised to be closed once we got the tear down, but I get it this is like the only place most of you visit on this forum. PlayStation OT is open for most of y’all to go to btw or Xbox OT for the other 3 people left.

 

[JTCx]

What are you even talking about?
you do know that they will change the UI, right? Also, lets wait until we see PS5s UI before we say what’s lastgen and nextgen, the UI leak from the Russian dude was horrible.

you don’t need wifi 6, more Bluetooth in a GAMING console.
you don’t need that high speed USB ports. The USB port that is there is already fast enough. You can’t use it for nextgen games anyways, so why waste anything?
And the controller has now ultra low latency and it was already pretty perfect in the first place. Why fix something that’s broken? Why force people to buy a new controller and not use their old controller? Because it’s „good for gamers“?
And XSX RAM is much faster than PS5s RAM.
You are delusional.
on the other hand PS5 has huge cutbacks in the most important aspects of a console and that is its power. We are already seeing launch games running below 4K on PS5. How will things turn out when games get much more demanding down the road? Sub1080p games?
but hey at least you got wifi 6 lol

Bruh you calling others delusional when you post shit like that?? LOL

"You don't need that high speed usb ports"

Hahahaha

 

[Tripolygon]

From what I remember every SSD NVMe Controller needs SRAM.
It is for buffer / cache.

Not all SSDs have an SRAM or DRAM cache. Lower tiered SSD provision a portion of NAND used for cache. And of course performance is lower because of that.

 

[FranXico]

We keep learning new things everyday from the teardown. There appears to be a small cache, SRAM likely near the SSD controller

Mentioned in Cerny's talk.

 

[Larryfox]

I think you have already asked for this today and the same answer was given, there are still many things we don't know about the consoles, we still need to see the UI for example of sony's machine. we still need to see there loading times for bc titles.

I know your desperate to shut this channel down but there is still 5 weeks until the consoles are out.

I am sure it will be closed on that day and then you can breath in a sigh of relief.

Was just looking for a response from mod of war since he made the declaration

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Do you guys think the Pulse 3D would be worth it? I have a logitech g533

I would wait for the reviews

 

[Captain Hero]

Sucker Punch is doing an incredible work with Ghost of Tsushima . The latest tweet added the ability to pet dogs and make them allies.. what a big update beside Legends . Ghost of Tsushima is my GOTY in 2020 , they still making improvements to the game and added so much with free to the game owners .. man what a great Studio.

 

[farmerboy]

Close this thread and I'll be sitting on the shitter in the morning twiddling my thumbs.

 

[Dibils2k]

Sucker Punch is doing an incredible work with Ghost of Tsushima . The latest tweet added the ability to pet dogs and make them allies.. what a big update beside Legends . Ghost of Tsushima is my GOTY in 2020 , they still making improvements to the game and added so much with free to the game owners .. man what a great Studio.

lets get a ps5 patch and then we'll talk

 

[CrysisFreak]

Close this thread and I'll be sitting on the shitter in the morning twiddling my thumbs.

I will kill myself if they do.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

We keep learning new things everyday from the teardown. There appears to be a small cache, SRAM likely near the SSD controller

Pretty sure that is a Samsung DDR4 chip:

Again the OQA dev kit leak said that had 3 of these chips with the retail PS5 having just one. I guess the dev kit might have a larger capacity SSD?

 

[sircaw]

I understand. How else will everyone be able to laugh at sircaw? I mean... LOOK AT HIM

That fish has more life in it that that stuffed sausage sitting on your couch.

 

[sircaw]

Close this thread and I'll be sitting on the shitter in the morning twiddling my thumbs.

you got chickens to feed and fences to mend, get out there country boy.

 

[sircaw]

I just asked for the thread to be closed not the website lol. Was just looking for clarification since it was promised to be closed once we got the tear down, but I get it this is like the only place most of you visit on this forum. PlayStation OT is open for most of y’all to go to btw or Xbox OT for the other 3 people left.

you got chickens to feed and fences to mend, get out there country boy.

Seriously asking though, you don't seem to often post in this thread if at all, why don't you just put the thread on ignore and let people be.

This thread is used a hell of alot by people, i don't understand you wanting to close it so desperately.

 

[Captain Hero]

lets get a ps5 patch and then we'll talk

I don’t need a PS5 patch to enjoy the game .. I did already

 

[kyliethicc]

Did something happen during the video or is it my imagination ?

before

after

I'm a few pages behind so forgive me if this was already said, but Sony clearly had 2 motherboards for the teardown. Or they cleaned it. The NAND chips and RAM chips have thermal paste on them in one shot of the board, but are also shown close ups without any (Sony may have switch to a diff board to show or cleaned the paste off.) Could be 2 diff SoCs or Sony just cleaned 1 up between shots.

 

[FranXico]

From what I remember every SSD NVMe Controller needs SRAM.

SSD controllers tend to use DRAM. Makes repeated reads/writes less aggressive.

 

[kyliethicc]

We keep learning new things everyday from the teardown. There appears to be a small cache, SRAM likely near the SSD controller

Looks like DRAM, off chip. Samsung 980 Pro SSD has what looks like the same thing next to its flash controller. Also I think SRAM is on chip so we wouldn't be able to see that right? It'd be inside the SoC.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Apparently nightmares on the Xbox camp are made of these...




Come on, guys, is not that hard.

There really is a simpsons gif for everything

 

[SportsFan581]

There's a guy making a living electrocuting himself. There is hope for everyone

He get a lot of free stuff? How many volts we talking? (asking for a friend)

 

[sircaw]

He get a lot of free stuff? How many volts we talking? (asking for a friend)

i get to control the amps, are you sure this is a game you want to play.

 

[SportsFan581]

Not all SSDs have an SRAM or DRAM cache. Lower tiered SSD provision a portion of NAND used for cache. And of course performance is lower because of that.

Some will use a small amount of system RAM for that also.

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

There really is a simpsons gif for everything

Heaven's forbid they should use a drill

 

[SportsFan581]

i get to control the amps, are you sure this is a game you want to play.

It's for a friend! I'll even go to great lengths to shield him from the media spotlight by letting all product fan mail pass through me.

 

[Loxus]

I'm a few pages behind so forgive me if this was already said, but Sony clearly had 2 motherboards for the teardown. Or they cleaned it. The NAND chips and RAM chips have thermal paste on them in one shot of the board, but are also shown close ups without any (Sony may have switch to a diff board to show or cleaned the paste off.) Could be 2 diff SoCs or Sony just cleaned 1 up between shots.

Yes, there were two.
One from the PS5 being teardown and one for display.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

I'm a few pages behind so forgive me if this was already said, but Sony clearly had 2 motherboards for the teardown. Or they cleaned it. The NAND chips and RAM chips have thermal paste on them in one shot of the board, but are also shown close ups without any (Sony may have switch to a diff board to show or cleaned the paste off.) Could be 2 diff SoCs or Sony just cleaned 1 up between shots.

Dam I noticed that too but I thought I was seeing things haha!

 

[sircaw]

It's for a friend! I'll even go to great lengths to shield him from the media spotlight by letting all product fan mail pass through me.

what i meant was i don't think volts is the killer, i think you could be hit by 50 000 volts as long as the the current is extremely very low i don't think you will die.

amps/current is the killer in getting electricouted, i could be wrong but i kinda recall that from my school days, mind you this was back when electricity was invented so i could be wrong and all with my memory.

 

[SportsFan581]

what i meant was i don't think volts is the killer, i think you could be hit by 50 000 volts as long as the the current is extremely very low i don't think you will die.

amps/current is the killer in getting electricouted, i could be wrong but i kinda recall that from my school days, mind you this was back when electricity was invented so i could be wrong and all with my memory.

You think 40 amps at 240 is a safe place to start?

 

[sircaw]

You think 40 amps at 240 is a safe place to start?

TOTALLY FINE BUD. nps what so ever.

on a serious note NO lol

Let me just clarify this before some idiot makes the 6 o'clock news.
You will Die if you try the above, do not do it.

Never ever fuck around with electricity, even for fun.

 

[Darklor01]

what i meant was i don't think volts is the killer, i think you could be hit by 50 000 volts as long as the the current is extremely very low i don't think you will die.

amps/current is the killer in getting electricouted, i could be wrong but i kinda recall that from my school days, mind you this was back when electricity was invented so i could be wrong and all with my memory.

“The human body has an inherent high resistance to electric current, which means without sufficient voltage a dangerous amount of current cannot flow through the body and cause injury or death. As a rough rule of thumb, more than fifty volts is sufficient to drive a potentially lethal current through the body.”...

Metroid Electrical Engineering - Switchboards - Fatal electric shock: what voltage causes death? -

Switchboard manufacturer. The answer is very little. A current of as little as 0.007 amps (7mA) across the heart for three seconds is enough to kill. 0.1 amps (100mA) passing through the body will almost certainly be fatal.

www.metroid.net.au

 

[sircaw]

“The human body has an inherent high resistance to electric current, which means without sufficient voltage a dangerous amount of current cannot flow through the body and cause injury or death. As a rough rule of thumb, more than fifty volts is sufficient to drive a potentially lethal current through the body.”...

Metroid Electrical Engineering - Switchboards - Fatal electric shock: what voltage causes death? -

Switchboard manufacturer. The answer is very little. A current of as little as 0.007 amps (7mA) across the heart for three seconds is enough to kill. 0.1 amps (100mA) passing through the body will almost certainly be fatal.

www.metroid.net.au

• A static electricity shock can be 20,000 volts or more, but at extremely low current and for an extremely short duration: Harmless

Thats what i meant about volts

this is what i said, i think its the same

what i meant was i don't think volts is the killer, i think you could be hit by 50 000 volts as long as the the current is extremely very low i don't think you will die.

 

[Tripolygon]

Looks like DRAM, off chip. Samsung 980 Pro SSD has what looks like the same thing next to its flash controller. Also I think SRAM is on chip so we wouldn't be able to see that right? It'd be inside the SoC.

Nice detective work. SRAM can be both on and off chip. It is used on chip because it is much faster and consumes less power .

 

[Darklor01]

• A static electricity shock can be 20,000 volts or more, but at extremely low current and for an extremely short duration: Harmless

Thats what i meant about volts

this is what i said, i think its the same

Yeah, I guess it all depends. People get struck by lightning and live .. but that’s a very short duration.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

That fish has more life in it that that stuffed sausage sitting on your couch.

My human is in pretty good shape actually.

 

[sircaw]

My human us in pretty good shape actually.

good one haha

 

[sircaw]

After watching the sony console presentation and its breakdown and everything etc etc. I loved what i saw.

What i did not like was the way it was announced, so out of the blue, i mean it just suddenly appeared.

I know that the ps5 will get mass views regardless of what happens, i just feel its a very poor way to suddenly show the product with out any, i don't know build up>

Besides being extremely happy with the break down, are people happy with the way they announced it or do you not really care. Would love to know from the Sony fans

 

[Doncabesa]

Hopefully this includes them showing gameplay for Series X/S games.

 

[sircaw]

Hopefully this includes them showing gameplay for Series X/S games.

Jesus are those people really all crossing their arms. Are you one of those people Doncabesa . Oh Boy

 

[CraZed]

• A static electricity shock can be 20,000 volts or more, but at extremely low current and for an extremely short duration: Harmless

Thats what i meant about volts

this is what i said, i think its the same

But 40A? That could be very harmful...

 

[sircaw]

But 40A? That could be very harmful...

your gonna die, when we are taking low we are talking. o.oosomething

40 is Kentucky fried chicken x 10000, that's a lot of amps

 

[Zadom]

@Mod of War teardown has happened this thread is basically fanboys fighting each other now, why is it still opened?

 

[Lysandros]

Looks like DRAM, off chip. Samsung 980 Pro SSD has what looks like the same thing next to its flash controller. Also I think SRAM is on chip so we wouldn't be able to see that right? It'd be inside the SoC.

Why not both, DRAM for the custom flash controller and SRAM for the I/O complex within the APU?

 

[PSX]

Hopefully this includes them showing gameplay for Series X/S games.

Jesus are those people really all crossing their arms. Are you one of those people Doncabesa . Oh Boy

 

[Kerlurk]

Oh, I didn't want to imply that Sony was using Qualcomm's chips, but thanks for showing what they might use.

I haven't really followed WiFi6, but my understanding in regards to VR is that latency is the most important part. Any idea about latency on Sony's choice?

Yeah I know, but just wanted to confirm for myself, and thought others would find that interesting.

I tried my laptop which has Wi-Fi 6, and pinged my router WiFi 5 (802.11ac) and it got 3 to 5 ms.
I also tried my desktop which has Wi-Fi 5 (802.11ac), and I got 1 ms. Not sure why that is faster.

To do this yourself, open Command Prompt, and type "Ping" followed by your router's address.

So as you can see, latency does not seem to be an issue.

To see what Wi-Fi card is in your computer, open the command line and type: "netsh wlan show interfaces"
In the description, you might see the chipset used, as in my case: "Intel Wireless-AC 9260" and then search online for it's specifications.
You can also: "ipconfig /all"

More importantly is the bandwidth sufficient to support a high resolution display in the headset?

Wifi 5 (802.11ac) (2013) supports 433 to 1733 Mbps (or 54 MB/sec to 216 MB/sec)
Wifi 6 (802.11ax) (2019) supports 600 to 2401 Mbps (or 75 MB/sec to 300 MB/sec)

The advantage a VR headset would have is that it's close proximity to the PS5 would help in latency and bandwidth.

PS VR: 1920 × 1080 (960 x 1080 per eye) at 90 Hz or 120 Hz.

You would want at least double that resolution (2560 x 1440) (1280 x 1440 per eye), and most likely 4K (3840 x 2160) (1920 x 2160 per eye).

Bandwidth calculations assuming no compression.

(2560 x 1440 x 32 bits per pixel (RGBA) / 8 (bits per byte) x 90 frames per second: 1,327,104,000 bytes per second or 1.3 Giga bytes per second.

So as you can see, even Wi-Fi 6 cannot support this.

Oculus Quest 2 (release date is this upcoming Oct 13th) is wireless, and runs 3 to 4 hours on battery. It's resolution is 3,664 x 1920 (1,832 x 1920 per eye) and supports 90 Hz. It's almost 4K. 4K is 8 million pixels, and this is 7 million.

So only way for Wi-Fi 5 or 6 to support high resolutions, at high frame rates, it has to use compression.

Video codec H.264 which is included in the PS5 APU, which will also support full game streaming at rates up to 4K at 90 fps 8/10 bits per pixel (so will support HDR), can offer a compression ratio up to two thousand to 1. So with that, you can easily stream the information to the headset even with Wi-Fi 5.

As a comparison, PS4 Pro supported video codec AVC 1080p30 for game streaming. Were getting a huge increase in the PS5 for game streaming, and possibly for streaming to a VR headset.

The advantage that Wi-Fi 6 offers, is a stronger signal regarding interference from other Wi-Fi signals.

I know you did not ask about bandwidth, but some people might find this interesting, and I got carried away.

 

[kyliethicc]

Why not both, DRAM for the custom flash controller and SRAM for the I/O complex within the APU?

There is definitely SRAM in their I/O unit, as Cerny said, but thats inside the SoC so we can't see that from the teardown. The new info we can gather from the teardown is that the PS5 custom flash controller has some DRAM cache as well, as do many other M2 NVMe SSDs.

 

[Crm114]

Hopefully this includes them showing gameplay for Series X/S games.

Looks like a neo nazi concert lol

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Looks like a neo nazi concert lol

Somebody tweet them with that